UND and the Big Sky could go FBS

[SiouxVolley]

4 minutes ago, Herd said:

If UND was offered Summit/MVFC membership, they'd be crazy not to listen.  You are playing football outside your recruiting area.  Recruiting would improve for FB for sure.  All UND would need to do is tell them Summit they'd join with MVfC membership, and they'd get the help they needed from the SL.  It's not hard to figure out.  SD understood how to leverage this.

The prospect of the Big Sky going FBS is why UND wouldn't even consider this.  But you will deny that as a possibly til the cows come home.

[Herd]

23 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Has nothing to do with UND's AD.  Had everything to do with your old AD and his cronies, along with Patty not wanting to have too many western teams.  

 

So, the Big Sky is going to be afforded opportunities that are exclusive to the Big Sky?   Is that what you are saying?   Just because Fullerton's a great guy, is that the reason?

The NCAA has said no Moveup to many FCS conferences over the years.  Saying yes to the Big Sky sounds like a big lawsuit from the CAA and it's former members who had to jump though hoops and pay large sums of money to work their way to the FBS.   So if the Big Sky can join FBS, can the Pioneer League do it too?  What a great deal.

[jacksfan29]

4 hours ago, zonadub said:

Summit expansion? What? Who? And who are you having to replace?

No one is leaving the Summit. The talk of expansion comes from Douple and the member school's Presidents. The conference has been contacted by several schools, no one has said who those schools are and there is nothing concrete out there, but one rumor is that NMSU and UMKC are looking to bail on the WAC. NMSU are likely to go Independent in FB and want to get into a better basketball conference while they bide their time to see what shakes in FBS (realignment/expansion). UMKC have been unhappy since joining the WAC and (again) rumor has it they have contacted the Summit looking to get back in. No word on if, or when that could happen.

[jacksfan29]

3 hours ago, Herd said:

 

So, the Big Sky is going to be afforded opportunities that are exclusive to the Big Sky?   Is that what you are saying?   Just because Fullerton's a great guy, is that the reason?

The NCAA has said no Moveup to many FCS conferences over the years.  Saying yes to the Big Sky sounds like a big lawsuit from the CAA and it's former members who had to jump though hoops and pay large sums of money to work their way to the FBS.   So if the Big Sky can join FBS, can the Pioneer League do it too?  What a great deal.

Fullerton will be gone. Of course that can likely be spun by SV into "he is going to run the FBS BSC" so take what he has to say for what it is...

[VMeister]

5 hours ago, Herd said:

You are playing football outside your recruiting area.  Recruiting would improve for FB for sure.

Recruiting is improving while staying in the Big Sky.

[UND1983]

5 hours ago, Herd said:

 

So, the Big Sky is going to be afforded opportunities that are exclusive to the Big Sky?   Is that what you are saying?   Just because Fullerton's a great guy, is that the reason?

The NCAA has said no Moveup to many FCS conferences over the years.  Saying yes to the Big Sky sounds like a big lawsuit from the CAA and it's former members who had to jump though hoops and pay large sums of money to work their way to the FBS.   So if the Big Sky can join FBS, can the Pioneer League do it too?  What a great deal.

Quote the right person.

[Herd]

40 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Quote the right person.

My apology

[SWSiouxMN]

4 hours ago, jacksfan29 said:

No one is leaving the Summit. The talk of expansion comes from Douple and the member school's Presidents. The conference has been contacted by several schools, no one has said who those schools are and there is nothing concrete out there, but one rumor is that NMSU and UMKC are looking to bail on the WAC. NMSU are likely to go Independent in FB and want to get into a better basketball conference while they bide their time to see what shakes in FBS (realignment/expansion). UMKC have been unhappy since joining the WAC and (again) rumor has it they have contacted the Summit looking to get back in. No word on if, or when that could happen.

What possessed UMKC to leave the Summit anyways to the WACky land? I don't recall the details

[nd1sufan]

8 hours ago, Herd said:

 

So, the Big Sky is going to be afforded opportunities that are exclusive to the Big Sky?   Is that what you are saying?   Just because Fullerton's a great guy, is that the reason?

The NCAA has said no Moveup to many FCS conferences over the years.  Saying yes to the Big Sky sounds like a big lawsuit from the CAA and it's former members who had to jump though hoops and pay large sums of money to work their way to the FBS.   So if the Big Sky can join FBS, can the Pioneer League do it too?  What a great deal.

But the other conferences don't have the Univ of Idaho Vandals. Get with it. The other FBS conferences won't be able to rest until they get the Vandals back into the fold. Haven't you read the message boards all over the country clammoring the get Idaho back in the FBS?

[Herd]

9 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

The prospect of the Big Sky going FBS is why UND wouldn't even consider this.  But you will deny that as a possibly til the cows come home.

Why wouldn't und just go FBS in the MVC?  Same difference, Idaho or NMS, or Hadn't you considered that with your scenario?

[Siouxphan27]

5 hours ago, jacksfan29 said:

No one is leaving the Summit. The talk of expansion comes from Douple and the member school's Presidents. The conference has been contacted by several schools, no one has said who those schools are and there is nothing concrete out there, but one rumor is that NMSU and UMKC are looking to bail on the WAC. NMSU are likely to go Independent in FB and want to get into a better basketball conference while they bide their time to see what shakes in FBS (realignment/expansion). UMKC have been unhappy since joining the WAC and (again) rumor has it they have contacted the Summit looking to get back in. No word on if, or when that could happen.

Everyone leaves the Summit.   Not sure why you assume it is stable all of a sudden after 30 years of constant movement. 

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

What possessed UMKC to leave the Summit anyways to the WACky land? I don't recall the details

Supposedly UMKC would get conference tournaments out of it, the WAC waived their entrance fee, the WAC paid their Slummit League exit fees at the time (250k), they thought it would be easier to win their conference tournament, the Summit was expecting UMKC to start baseball and the WAC said that wasn't necessary, UMKC was on the short list last time for MVC membership where they really want to be, and UMKC didn't want their schedules loaded with Dakota schools as that DII'ish.

UMKC will probably be at the top of the list again for the MVC even though they don't have a resume to speak of.  The WAC plays better on their resume and for KC's urbane fans than the Slummit.  

The Big Sky/WAC were attempting to break up the Slummit so the other Dakotas had to go west.  Denver was the problem as they didn't want any part of GCU and presumably UVU and Chicago St.  ORU coming back to the Slummit was what saved it as the Slummit barely got back to the bare minimum for baseball (which the Slummit has declared a key team sport for NCAA conference purposes - failure to field six teams in men's soccer and baseball for more than two years forfeits the Slummit's bball autobid by rule.)

[SiouxVolley]

1 hour ago, Herd said:

Why wouldn't und just go FBS in the MVC?  Same difference, Idaho or NMS, or Hadn't you considered that with your scenario?

This has been hashed over so many times but certain poster do not get that the MVFC cannot be an FBS league according to the NCAA.

UND is not a member of the MVC and has no shot at membership. Same with the other Dakotas but their fans have self deluded themselves into believing the MVC would welcome them with open arms when actually the MVC basketball side would spit in your faces.  The key for the MVC is to keep Wichita St for football, and they want a presence in the Southwest with Texas schools and NMSU.  Creighton's AD recently said that the Big East may go to 12 and Wichita State is on their list for new teams, but Wichita St would have to drop preparation for FBS  The American would be open to WSU too by Tulsa sources if Cincy and/or another school leave that conference.  If Wichita State leaves the MVC, the MVC will look south and east for new members like Belmont, Valpo and Murray State.  

[darell1976]

15 hours ago, Herd said:

If UND was offered Summit/MVFC membership, they'd be crazy not to listen.  You are playing football outside your recruiting area.  Recruiting would improve for FB for sure.  All UND would need to do is tell them Summit they'd join with MVfC membership, and they'd get the help they needed from the SL.  It's not hard to figure out.  SD understood how to leverage this.

UND was never offered a MVFC invite when they visited it was going to be a SL only visit and Patty herself said they were not going to invite UND due to the odd number of teams and along with another Dakota team. No team has left the MVFC for her to change her mind. Why ask a conference that will reject you....we aren't NDSU.

[Herd]

18 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

This has been hashed over so many times but certain poster do not get that the MVFC cannot be an FBS league according to the NCAA.

UND is not a member of the MVC and has no shot at membership. Same with the other Dakotas but their fans have self deluded themselves into believing the MVC would welcome them with open arms when actually the MVC basketball side would spit in your faces.  The key for the MVC is to keep Wichita St for football, and they want a presence in the Southwest with Texas schools and NMSU.  Creighton's AD recently said that the Big East may go to 12 and Wichita State is on their list for new teams, but Wichita St would have to drop preparation for FBS  The American would be open to WSU too by Tulsa sources if Cincy and/or another school leave that conference.  If Wichita State leaves the MVC, the MVC will look south and east for new members like Belmont, Valpo and Murray State.  

Blah, Blah.  The truth is that the MVFC could do anything that Big Sky would be able to do related to FBS football.  We've been over this so many times, but you continue to have your head buried deep in the sand.   They Big Sky has nothing that is exclusive.   If Idaho provided any benefit to FBS, then the MVFC would have NMSU to get the same benefit.  There is zero benefit for UND in BSC related to FBS football.   I can find many that would agree with me, and few that would support your theories.

[Herd]

13 hours ago, darell1976 said:

UND was never offered a MVFC invite when they visited it was going to be a SL only visit and Patty herself said they were not going to invite UND due to the odd number of teams and along with another Dakota team. No team has left the MVFC for her to change her mind. Why ask a conference that will reject you....we aren't NDSU.

You see, the Summit would push for UND.  That is a new concept called L-e-v-e-r-a-g-e.   If you could have the Summit/MVFC, why would you want to stay in the BSC?

[SiouxVolley]

15 minutes ago, Herd said:

You see, the Summit would push for UND.  That is a new concept called L-e-v-e-r-a-g-e.   If you could have the Summit/MVFC, why would you want to stay in the BSC?

If we were in the least bit interested in the Slummit, we would have to have baseball.

Since it was cut, the Slummit is totally off the table.  Deal with it.

[Herd]

2 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

If we were in the least bit interested in the Slummit, we would have to have baseball.

Since it was cut, the Slummit is totally off the table.  Deal with it.

So SD, Denver and IUPUI are being kickout because no baseball?  The baseball move does indicated that UND is likely not interested in the Summit/MVFC, agreed.

[darell1976]

17 minutes ago, Herd said:

You see, the Summit would push for UND.  That is a new concept called L-e-v-e-r-a-g-e.   If you could have the Summit/MVFC, why would you want to stay in the BSC?

No one gave a chance for UND to join the MVFC back in 2010 why would they give us a chance now. The SL visit gave no indication the MVFC was offering an invite (like they did to USD) so we passed and took the offer from the BSC that gave UND football a home. It was either Big Sky or FCS Indy ball. 

[SiouxVolley]

9 minutes ago, Herd said:

So SD, Denver and IUPUI are being kickout because no baseball?  The baseball move does indicated that UND is likely not interested in the Summit/MVFC, agreed.

UMKC fled the Slummit to go to the WAC after they had pledged to the Slummit that they would start baseball.  They never did.

[Herd]

3 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

UMKC fled the Slummit to go to the WAC after they had pledged to the Slummit that they would start baseball.  They never did.

Given Denver's pass on several sports, I think UMKC has nothing worry about as they come back.   UMKC has a good location for the footprint, I'd welcome them back.

[SiouxVolley]

10 minutes ago, Herd said:

Given Denver's pass on several sports, I think UMKC has nothing worry about as they come back.   UMKC has a good location for the footprint, I'd welcome them back.

Denver's a short timer which ever way you spin it.  They want a more prestigious conference badly, like the NCHC for hockey and the Big East for lax.  If the WCC ever has an opening, they are gone even if they have to pay a travel allowance.

[#MACtion]

I want to get this straight because I want another good laugh at SiouxVolley's "theory"

1) The NCAA will vote on allowing the Big Sky, and only the Big Sky to form two different one-sport conferences in two different divisons because the P5 feel sorry for Idaho and New Mexico State.

2) Despite needing 60% to approve and the P5 only have 37.5% weight under the new structure, the Mountain West and MVC etc..  Will vote with them to allow this to happen because the Mountain West would love to share the wealth because they are caring toward the BSC despite the PAC12 doing everything possible to hold the MWC under their thumb.  NDSU will feel compassion as well and remain in FCS.

3)  Despite not a peep on the Idaho or NMSU board or any other board in FCS or FBS except Sioux Sports even though Idaho would have the most incentive to spread this rumor even if not true to ease the Vandal fans worries about moving to the Big Sky because they would remain FBS, the miracle rule change happens.

4) Then North Dakota and 5 more BSC schools such as Montana who have repeatedly turned down FBS oportunities in the past because they are too cheap and not interested, then decide to double down and waste money on facilities and 44 scholarships etc. To become FBS despite no increased revenue from TV or the CFP contract because it is locked down under contract for another 11 years.  Not to mention NoDak cutting sports because they cant afford stipends for the hockey team.

This all totally sounds plausible

OR

SiouxVolley and Big Sky Commish Fullofit are just that.  Full of it.

Ok, lets hear it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Herd]

22 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

This has been hashed over so many times but certain poster do not get that the MVFC cannot be an FBS league according to the NCAA.

UND is not a member of the MVC and has no shot at membership. Same with the other Dakotas but their fans have self deluded themselves into believing the MVC would welcome them with open arms when actually the MVC basketball side would spit in your faces.  The key for the MVC is to keep Wichita St for football, and they want a presence in the Southwest with Texas schools and NMSU.  Creighton's AD recently said that the Big East may go to 12 and Wichita State is on their list for new teams, but Wichita St would have to drop preparation for FBS  The American would be open to WSU too by Tulsa sources if Cincy and/or another school leave that conference.  If Wichita State leaves the MVC, the MVC will look south and east for new members like Belmont, Valpo and Murray State.  

So, the rules are going to be changed to allow the BSC to go FBS (your words), but rules are in place that does not allow the MVFC to move to the FBS (your words).   

How do you have 1 ounce of credibility?  Clearly you are makng things up due to your obvious ndsu hatred.  

 

[Herd]

3 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Denver's a short timer which ever way you spin it.  They want a more prestigious conference badly, like the NCHC for hockey and the Big East for lax.  If the WCC ever has an opening, they are gone even if they have to pay a travel allowance.

Denver agreed to the million dollar buyout, so I don't think they are in a hurry to exit the Summit.