Election Results

[Fetch]

off the ice only.........I hope

[scpa0305]

Measure 4 results are now on the front page of cnnsi.com. Here is the AP article.

http://sportsillustr...ml?sct=hp_t2_a9

CNN??? Obviosuly jumped all over this one....get real.

[fightingsioux4life]

off the ice only.........I hope

Hey Fetch, shouldn't you be off lobbying the Winnipeg Jets and REA, Inc. to replace UND with an AHL franchise? We have listened to you blather on and on and on about it for the past several months, now it's time for you to put up or shut up.

[Fetch]

Chicago too

[fightingsioux4life]

Chicago too

You are persistent, I'll give you that.

[WILDCAT]

It was for the best, I was a big supporter of the Sioux nickname, but am glad that now it will no longer hinder your BSC membership.

So why cant you decide on a new nickname till 2015?

[iramurphy]

The celebratory nature on this board is down right appalling. I understand what the university would have been through had the name stuck, however over the last three years for the first time in the our university's history it wasn't in honor of the tribes. It became a a political football, a pawn in the quest for conference exclusion, a page-turner for the Grand Forks Herald, and one more example of the overbearing NCAA bullying its member oblivious of its own hypocrisies. The logo allowed me to see the inept nature of our educational leadership in this state, who completely mishandled this situation ever since the 'hostile and abusive' mandate was announced. It's a shame to see our leaders waited to get involved until they had some stake in the game. Tim O'Keefe is being heralded as a martyr at this point, if we would have laid this scenario at three years ago 90% of you would be calling for his head.

The only threat in the sanctioning was the loss of the Big Sky, which don't get me wrong is a tremendous threat to our olympic sports (football included). The fact that Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and South Dakota State wouldn't schedule us has no bearing on the success our athletic department whatsoever. Hell we have played NDSU less than a handful of times in most sports and 0 times in football since the move to D1, what are the chances we would play any of those schools within the next decade anyhow? We'll play as many games against Minnesota and Wisconsin in post season competition as we would have at the Ralph ever again anyway.

I realize the name is retired and for all intensive purposes will be for good at this point. It would take a complete culture shift in many places Standing Rock, SBoHE, UND'S Leadership (all of which of lost any confidence in throughout this debacle). What was done at the polls yesterday is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a loved one, who by no fault of their own or what they stood for, became too burdened by what was going on around it. Please let's shift the tone from gloating to respecting the tradition that expired last night. Many of you are calling this a bitter sweet moment, Take a second to think about how the villain shifted from the NCAA to Standing Rock to Tom Douple to the SBoHE to Robert Kelley to Logo Supporters and how the issue changed from Tribal Support/feelings to conference inclusion and bureaucratic greed. To retire the name for the reasons we did is far from a time to celebrate, had it been to a tribal vote I would at least respect it. This moment is a hell of a lot more bitter than it is sweet.

What is "appalling" is your complete lack of understanding of this issue and your willingness to blame UND officials, alumni and the SBoHE. The tribes had an opportunity to allow the name to stay and chose not to in 2005 when it would have taken only a statement from one tribal council to allow the name to stay. It was UND officials, SBoHE officials and the attorney general who lobbied to get a grace epriod for UND. The tribes had another opportunity to keep the name and they chose not to. With the counties the tribes are located on voting to retire the name the old arguament about keeping the name for the Native Americans doesn't hold true anymore.. They are all smart enough to see it was time to retire the name for whatever reason.

UND officials including O'Keefe did a lot over the years to try and keep the name. The NCAA members voted 98% to 2% to drop Native names and logos. UND officials, coaches athletes and obviously the entire state has made clear the name needed to go. To state the only problem witht he sanctions was the potential loss of the Big Sky shows you have no clue what recruiting involves, Scheduling does indeed play a factor in choices made by athletes and the fact that the list of schools who wouldn't play us was growing should have been a red flag for everyone. Don't forget the NCAA changes playoff policy over time. How many years did we have home playoffs in MBB, WBB, FB and Men's hockey? The loss of home playoffs for VB, FB and womens hockey is another factor you can't overlook. If you think it isn't a big deal then you never competed.

I don't see people gloating they are relieved and want to move on and it is time. It is also time for those who didn't want this result to quit blaming people who worked very hard to keep the name but in the end did what needed to be done to move our athletic tieams forward and put us in a better position to succeed. It amazes me that the Johnson guy, or Frank or our old pal Dave simply won't include these facts in their discussions. The so called truth tour could not have been further from the truth on some issues. For those who can't accept this vote and move on then I guess you have to find another team. For the rest, lets accept the change whether we like it or not and do what we need to do to help UND succeed in all sports as well as an academic institution. More importantly than this name, there are so many ways you can get involved and make a difference for our Native Americans that will do much more good than this name. Best to quit looking to blame and look for those opportunities to make a difference.

[fightingsioux4life]

It was for the best, I was a big supporter of the Sioux nickname, but am glad that now it will no longer hinder your BSC membership.

So why cant you decide on a new nickname till 2015?

The repeal of the nickname law has a provision that prohibits us from picking a new name until 1/1/2015.

[breakin face]

UND officials including O'Keefe did a lot over the years to try and keep the name.

Examples? The administration was silent for the better part of the grace period, the only time any news would flare up on the nickname front was close to deadlines. Where was the campaign by the alumni association to preserve the name three years ago? We backed ourselves into a settlement and let the clock run out.

[Siouxperfan7]

The repeal of the nickname law has a provision that prohibits us from picking a new name until 1/1/2015.

Since the original law had no bearing with the NCAA, I would think that the provison to not be able to select a new name until 2015 is proabably not going to carry much weight with the NCAA either. I would think that the NCAA would demand UND to have a nickname in place much earlier than 2015.

[scpa0305]

http://www.uscho.com/2012/06/13/north-dakota-voters-want-fighting-sioux-nickname-retired/

[WeAreNorthDakota]

Examples? The administration was silent for the better part of the grace period, the only time any news would flare up on the nickname front was close to deadlines. Where was the campaign by the alumni association to preserve the name three years ago? We backed ourselves into a settlement and let the clock run out.

There was no need to campaign three years ago. At that time, the only people who needed convincing was the tribal council at Standing Rock. The people of North Dakota, who the recent Alumni Association campaign targeted, had no say three years ago. Could people have done more to convince Standing Rock to vote before the deadline? Maybe, we don't really know everything that went on.

[82SiouxGuy]

Since the original law had no bearing with the NCAA, I would think that the provison to not be able to select a new name until 2015 is proabably not going to carry much weight with the NCAA either. I would think that the NCAA would demand UND to have a nickname in place much earlier than 2015.

Since it is a state law, UND is going to follow the law. The plan for transition always included a period without a nickname. The law probably extends the period by about a year. As far as the NCAA goes, they have indicated that they are fine with UND not choosing a new nickname or logo immediately. Using UND and the revised intersecting ND will satisfy the NCAA as long as UND doesn't make any use of Native American names or imagery. Remember, the NCAA didn't consider UND under sanctions during that brief period this winter when they retired the name.

[82SiouxGuy]

Examples? The administration was silent for the better part of the grace period, the only time any news would flare up on the nickname front was close to deadlines. Where was the campaign by the alumni association to preserve the name three years ago? We backed ourselves into a settlement and let the clock run out.

As was noted by others, during the settlement period the only people that needed to approve the nickname were the tribes. Spirit Lake took care of themselves. The Standing Rock Tribal Council had control in Standing Rock. They refused to talk with anyone about the issue. They wouldn't talk to Archie Fool Bear, a former Tribal Council member, about the issue. A public campaign wouldn't have done anything in that case. All negotiations would have been done away from the cameras. Just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean that efforts weren't made. But the Tribal Council was very solid in supporting the removal of the name, so there was very little that could actually have been done to change their position.

[watchmaker49]

I want a coach that fights to get every advantage possible for my team. Not someone that is willing to handicap the team just to keep a sports nickname. Very few recruits were going to come to UND because they liked the nickname, and they weren't going to come to UND because UND was standing up to the NCAA. Just the word sanctions being associated with UND athletics would have kept athletes away from the school. It is hard enough to win playoff games, giving away any potential advantages is just stupid.

The nickname wasn't always meant to honor the Native American culture. It was adopted in large part because the Sioux had a history of hunting bison, and it was easy to use in chants. No effort to honor the NA's. Through the 1960's, with UND using the Sammy Sioux logo, efforts were not made to honor Native Americans. In fact, it was only in the last decade or 2 that efforts were made to connect honor to the name. That was because people didn't want to lose the name. UND fans were proud of the name before that, but there really wasn't a great connection to honoring the tribes.

You act like the effort to remove the Sioux name, or efforts to remove Native American names, is something new. The efforts started back in the 1960's. Almost every national Native American group has supported the removal of Native American sports nicknames. Colleges and high schools started dropping the names in the 1970's. The NCAA started looking at the topic in 1998 or before. The 2005 policy had the support of all national Native American groups. All regional tribes except Spirit Lake still support eliminating Native American sports nicknames. UND was caught in that movement. The only that UND had was to develop long term relationships with the local tribes. That didn't happen. So it was time to move on. Time to stop the constant fighting about the issue. Time for UND to move forward.

No it was always to honor the Native Americans dontchaknow?

[senor_sieve]

http://www.grandfork...group/homepage/

I am very glad that Archie and Eunice will continue to fight on behalf of their people. There are no words strong enough to express how much respect I have for them.

weren't you leaving?

[bincitysioux]

http://www.grandfork...group/homepage/

I am very glad that Archie and Eunice will continue to fight on behalf of their people.

What are you talking about?

On behalf of "their people"?

Both Sioux County and the Fort Totten Precincts voted to retire the nickname.........................