Conference Realignments - Take 2

[SWSiouxMN]

18 minutes ago, zonadub said:

The coach was fired

https://info.umkc.edu/unews/umkc-fires-head-basketball-coach/

I’ve known people to leave for that reason but 9?  That seems so extreme 

[SiouxVolley]

2 hours ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I’ve known people to leave for that reason but 9?  That seems so extreme 

They have a new AD who has big plans.

http://www.umkckangaroos.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18300&ATCLID=211780704

UMKC and Murray St are going to the MVC in his dreams.  He needs to get rid of most of the players too.

[SiouxVolley]

The American Conference just signed a $1 billion deal with ESPN.   That is a huge increase from the last deal and will result in each team with $7 mill / yr, rather than $2 mill / yr.  UConn, Cincy and USF still won’t get the kind of money that they got from the Big East when it still had football.

https://www.ctpost.com/uconn/article/AAC-ESPN-reportedly-reach-agreement-on-12-year-13701244.php

[SiouxVolley]

NW Mo St goes 38-0 and wins it’s second mbb DII championship along with a number of DI football ships?

Wnere are the posters lik Southpaw that want them in the Summit?

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2019-03-29/dii-mens-basketball-championship-northwest-missouri-state

[SiouxVolley]

The Summit has a team in Vermillion, why not Yankton too?

https://ktiv.com/2019/04/02/mount-marty-college-announces-addition-of-football-program/

[SiouxVolley]

According to all the trolls and other disbelievers that the Montana and Idaho aren’t sliding over, there are two schools looking to move up near the Indiana portion of the Ohio River:  Southern Indiana and Bellarmine.  All those trolls and disbelievers should be on their hands begging and pleading for them to join the Summi to keep PUFW happy as they both have baseball.

http://www.seedyksports.com/2019/04/01/and-then-there-were-but-four/  near the bottom of the column

https://www.courierpress.com/story/sports/college/southern-indiana/2019/04/03/hickey-if-usi-wants-regularly-fill-its-new-arena-should-choose-division-one/3351914002/

USI denies it, but a school doesn’t put tens of millions into an arena if it’s goal isn’t DI (see NKU, Belmont, Lipscomb)

[Shawn-O]

On 4/2/2019 at 7:15 PM, SiouxVolley said:

The Summit has a team in Vermillion, why not Yankton too?

https://ktiv.com/2019/04/02/mount-marty-college-announces-addition-of-football-program/

Paul Rudolph for head coach!   

[jodcon]

On 2/7/2019 at 3:31 AM, Milo said:

 Their football success is certainly out of the ordinary but NDSU has demonstrated they are the best at the business of college football  

 

Oh?

[Yote 53]

Somebody needs to approach St. Thomas about moving up and joining the Summit.  The WCHA would be all over their hockey program too.  This school has the cash to make it happen if they wanted to.

 

 

[SWSiouxMN]

Just now, Yote 53 said:

Somebody needs to approach St. Thomas about moving up and joining the Summit.  The WCHA would be all over their hockey program too.  This school has the cash to make it happen if they wanted to.

 

 

I bet they go NSIC first, wouldn't they have a super long transition time to do straight to D1?

Of course, they do have one powerful ally that could stop them from being thrown out:  St. John's

[SiouxVolley]

So St Thomas will be “forced” to go DII just when the NSIC needs a replacement for Augie.  Quite the story by admin just so Macalester can go back to the MIAC.

The WCHA and later the MVC will see them too.

The DII transition is a couple years and potential DI must stay for 8 years as a full DII member.

The MVC needs a spot in MSP.

Duobt that St Thomas would go scholarship football in DI though.  They want to emulate Creighton, Marquette, Loyola, and Drake

[nodak651]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

So St Thomas will be “forced” to go DII just when the NSIC needs a replacement for Augie.  Quite the story by admin just so Macalester can go back to the MIAC.

The WCHA and later the MVC will see them too.

The DII transition is a couple years and potential DI must stay for 8 years as a full DII member.

The MVC needs a spot in MSP.

Duobt that St Thomas would go scholarship football in DI though.  They want to emulate Creighton, Marquette, Loyola, and Drake

Do they?  When did they make that decision?  Funny they have stayed D3 so long.

[SiouxVolley]

45 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Do they?  When did they make that decision?  Funny they have stayed D3 so long.

When they formulated a way to get expelled out of the MIAC without outwardly using their ambitions.  Their own fans can’t get mad.

That scheme takes a lot of work.

DII is way beneath them if they can’t stay in the MIAC or gain admissions to the UAA (which is AAU only) and the DIII Upper Midwest Conference (with Morris, Crown, Bethany etc ) is even further way beneath their own believed dignity.  

There is a new hockey school that would quickly gain favor amount the NCHC Presidents, pushing Mankato aside.

[nodak651]

4 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

When they formulated a way to get expelled out of the MIAC without outwardly using their ambitions.  Their own fans can’t get mad.

That scheme takes a lot of work.

DII is way beneath them if they can’t stay in the MIAC or gain admissions to the UAA (which is AAU only) and the DIII Upper Midwest Conference (with Morris, Crown, Bethany etc ) is even further way beneath their own believed dignity.  

There is a new hockey school that would quickly gain favor amount the NCHC Presidents, pushing Mankato aside.

They don't have a rink.

[southpaw]

58 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

They don't have a rink.

There has to be a curling rink nearby they can use for practice and games 

[SiouxVolley]

U of St Thomas hockey plays at the St Thomas Ice Arena in Mendota Heights, near St Thomas Academy.  There is only seating on one side for 1400 and have no idea if that can be expanded.

More on the DIII MIAC decision from footballscoop.com.

http://footballscoop.com/news/division-iii-conference-reportedly-considering-kicking-one-members-successful/

[SiouxVolley]

Kolpack hasn’t read the NCAA regs as a good Bizen.  Schools aren’t allowed to jump to DI from any other classification but DII.

Utah Valley moved from JC ranks, Houston Baptist moved from DIII ranks, and Belmont and Lipscomb moved from NAIA ranks, but that isn’t allowed anymore.  Those schools would have to move reclassify to DII and stay there for a full five years as a full DII member, which would take eight years longer.  Cal Baptist was an NAIA school just nine years ago, built a shiny new arena, and obeyed the regs so it is now a WAC transitioning member.

https://www.inforum.com/sports/1000774-Kolpack-Its-time-to-boot-St.-Thomas-from-MIAC-to-Division-I

[SiouxVolley]

So irritating that  college Presidents have devolved into lying pieces of crap.  St Thomas should be DI as is Loyola Chicago, Drake, Bradley, Creighton etc, but their President and MIAC ones concoct a scheme to cover their ambitions to move up for them.  St Johns actually won the MIAC last year by huge scores and beat St Thomas by 40-20, but they both beat nearly every MIAC school except Bethel and Gustavous badly.

If you can’t trust supposedly Christian college Presidents not to lie, why should we expect real news from the press?

St John’s scores from last year:  https://gojohnnies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=274

St Thomas scores from last year:  https://www.tommiesports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/schedule

Lying will pay dividends as alumni will donate more out of rage and anger.

[southpaw]

7 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

So irritating that  college Presidents have devolved into lying pieces of crap.  St Thomas should be DI as is Loyola Chicago, Drake, Bradley, Creighton etc, but their President and MIAC ones concoct a scheme to cover their ambitions to move up for them.  St Johns actually won the MIAC last year by huge scores and beat St Thomas by 40-20, but they both beat nearly every MIAC school except Bethel and Gustavous badly.

If you can’t trust supposedly Christian college Presidents not to lie, why should we expect real news from the press?

St John’s scores from last year:  https://gojohnnies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=274

St Thomas scores from last year:  https://www.tommiesports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/schedule

Lying will pay dividends as alumni will donate more out of rage and anger.

So the presidents of the other MIAC schools decided they were ok with the bad press that makes them look petty in order to help St. Thomas raise money to move up?

Any source for this information? As someone who thinks like a president, how did you not see this coming?

[Siouxphan27]

8 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

So irritating that  college Presidents have devolved into lying pieces of crap.  St Thomas should be DI as is Loyola Chicago, Drake, Bradley, Creighton etc, but their President and MIAC ones concoct a scheme to cover their ambitions to move up for them.  St Johns actually won the MIAC last year by huge scores and beat St Thomas by 40-20, but they both beat nearly every MIAC school except Bethel and Gustavous badly.

If you can’t trust supposedly Christian college Presidents not to lie, why should we expect real news from the press?

St John’s scores from last year:  https://gojohnnies.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=274

St Thomas scores from last year:  https://www.tommiesports.com/sports/fball/2018-19/schedule

Lying will pay dividends as alumni will donate more out of rage and anger.

If memory serves, many times when people on here have used direct quotes from school presidents or ADs to dispute a comment you’ve made, you often blow it off by saying those administrators are lying to the public because they can’t let everyone knows what their big plans for the future are; only they, and geniuses like yourself, can be aware of these plans this far in advance. 

So I’m a little surprised you are calling these presidents out for lying in this instance. 

[MafiaMan]

On 4/5/2019 at 8:14 PM, SiouxVolley said:

There is a new hockey school that would quickly gain favor amount the NCHC Presidents, pushing Mankato aside.

[The Sicatoka]

On 4/7/2019 at 12:02 AM, SiouxVolley said:

Schools aren’t allowed to jump to DI from any other classification but DII.

This little detail is the only thing that matters. 

St. Thomas must spend time as a DII before it could even consider DI. 

[bison73]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

This little detail is the only thing that matters. 

St. Thomas must spend time as a DII before it could even consider DI. 

Was Liberty D2?

[The Sicatoka]

Liberty moved to DI in 1989 per this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Flames_and_Lady_Flames

You're probably thinking of their FCS --> FBS move. 

[bison73]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Liberty moved to DI in 1989 per this page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Flames_and_Lady_Flames

You're probably thinking of their FCS --> FBS move. 

Liberty has been both independent and affiliated with one conference.^[2]

• NAIA Independent (1973–1980)
• Division II Independent (1981–1987)
• Division I-AA Independent (1988–2001)
• Big South Conference (2002–2017)
• FBS Independent (2018–present)

To even do that took stones to challenge the NCAA and a boat load of cash to make through being an independent.