Conference Realignments - Take 2

[F'n Hawks]

The initial excitement will be there. If this ends up happening I see attendance in the Dome will be increase for the first two years. The question is what happens after that. They obviously got bored of winning all the time in the FCS, will they get bored once they are 4 to 5 years into the MW?

[siouxweet]

5 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

How will the prospect of no more championship runs impact interest from the fan base? Going to the Whatever.com Bowl in mid December with a sparkling 7-5 record is going to be hard for Forum Communications to hype up.

Could very well be but isn't that what we said 20 years when they moved up??

[SIOUXFAN97]

16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

How will the prospect of no more championship runs impact interest from the fan base? Going to the Whatever.com Bowl in mid December with a sparkling 7-5 record is going to be hard for Forum Communications to hype up.

for sure...trophy case is locked for good unless they add in a "women's" sport like bowling or hockey or somthing .......lock it up...it's closed forever.

[SIOUXFAN97]

11 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

Could very well be but isn't that what we said 20 years when they moved up??

20 years ago the 1aa playoffs were still a thing...so not comparable.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, siouxweet said:

Could very well be but isn't that what we said 20 years when they moved up??

For the millionth time, moving from FCS to FBS is not even in the same universe as moving from D2 to FCS. That cannot possibly be disputed.

The gap between FCS and FBS is huge and will continue to grow exponentially. Someone posted the FB budgets of MWC schools and NDSU's current budget is way behind even the smallest MWC budget. And the gap between the MWC and the P4 schools is even bigger. I don't give a damn about NDUS funding formulas or oil money or what Teamakers is raising, the stratospheric gaps I laid out above are not going to be closed by a land grant school in flyover country. I don't know what else I have to say to convince people that this is not even remotely close to what happened 20+ years ago.

If the P4 and G6 do formally split and the G6 have their own tournament, then a move up may be worth exploring for all the Dakota schools and maybe even the Montana schools. But under the current alignment, being a G6 school is a one way ticket to permanent obscurity.

[UND-FB-FAN]

4 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

This is silly. Girls wrestling is much more popular than horseback riding and I'm guessing hockey too.

You’ve now stooped to the level of advocating for girls wrestling over hockey and horseback riding? WOW… just WOW.  
 

I’m now crying … cause I’m laughing so hard. 

Ag college of Fargo is as much a joke as it is corrupt and fiscally irresponsible 

[SIOUXFAN97]

ndac to sdac now......love it

[gfhockey]

14 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

20 years ago the 1aa playoffs were still a thing...so not comparable.

Yeah but now there’s fbs playoffs

[siouxweet]

19 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

For the millionth time, moving from FCS to FBS is not even in the same universe as moving from D2 to FCS. That cannot possibly be disputed.

The gap between FCS and FBS is huge and will continue to grow exponentially. Someone posted the FB budgets of MWC schools and NDSU's current budget is way behind even the smallest MWC budget. And the gap between the MWC and the P4 schools is even bigger. I don't give a damn about NDUS funding formulas or oil money or what Teamakers is raising, the stratospheric gaps I laid out above are not going to be closed by a land grant school in flyover country. I don't know what else I have to say to convince people that this is not even remotely close to what happened 20+ years ago.

If the P4 and G6 do formally split and the G6 have their own tournament, then a move up may be worth exploring for all the Dakota schools and maybe even the Montana schools. But under the current alignment, being a G6 school is a one way ticket to permanent obscurity.

At some point UND will do the same and should, will you still be singing the same tune then?

[homer]

No one scheduled them non conference when they were FCS, why will those teams schedule them when they are FBS and it costs more money?  I guess I don’t see the logic there but could be wrong.  
 

I say kick them out of the Summit and figure out how to add another team.  Zero chance the MWC adds them for all sports or they can afford to fly their Olympic sports around the conference. 

[F'n Hawks]

17 minutes ago, homer said:

No one scheduled them non conference when they were FCS, why will those teams schedule them when they are FBS and it costs more money?  I guess I don’t see the logic there but could be wrong.  
 

I say kick them out of the Summit and figure out how to add another team.  Zero chance the MWC adds them for all sports or they can afford to fly their Olympic sports around the conference. 

The Summit is not in a position where they can kick teams out. 
 

[homer]

11 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

The Summit is not in a position where they can kick teams out. 
 

Find a way and bury this program

[nodakvindy]

56 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

For the millionth time, moving from FCS to FBS is not even in the same universe as moving from D2 to FCS. That cannot possibly be disputed.

The gap between FCS and FBS is huge and will continue to grow exponentially. Someone posted the FB budgets of MWC schools and NDSU's current budget is way behind even the smallest MWC budget. And the gap between the MWC and the P4 schools is even bigger. I don't give a damn about NDUS funding formulas or oil money or what Teamakers is raising, the stratospheric gaps I laid out above are not going to be closed by a land grant school in flyover country. I don't know what else I have to say to convince people that this is not even remotely close to what happened 20+ years ago.

If the P4 and G6 do formally split and the G6 have their own tournament, then a move up may be worth exploring for all the Dakota schools and maybe even the Montana schools. But under the current alignment, being a G6 school is a one way ticket to permanent obscurity.

Somebody gets it. 

[nodakvindy]

39 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

At some point UND will do the same and should, will you still be singing the same tune then?

UND should not go FBS in the current environment. It would be a colossal waste of resources. 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Gotta add another game to play this season

[fightingsioux4life]

50 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

At some point UND will do the same and should, will you still be singing the same tune then?

If UND moved up under the current circumstances, I would call it a huge and expensive mistake. Nice try, though.

[siouxweet]

This current environment isn't changing anytime soon and the FCS is going to get more watered down. Winning an FCS championship will be the equivalent of getting a participation ribbon in youth sports.

[F'n Hawks]

10 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Gotta add another game to play this season

Won’t they just redo the MVFC schedule? We weren’t supposed to play Illinois State this year 

[SiouxHawkGuy]

9 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Won’t they just redo the MVFC schedule? We weren’t supposed to play Illinois State this year 

Ah yeah probably 

[bison73]

21 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Would be nice, but doubt he does … more behind the scenes manipulation from Fargo I’d guess 

Please expound on your assertions.

[bison73]

21 hours ago, Kab said:

Ndsu is not in a financial position to do this unless the state bails them out again 

going to take some nfl money to pay for it

8 figure money to join mountain west and 5 million to ncaa and hopefully a few million to mvfc to leave 

stick that in your lawyer hat 

Money was in place. Making unfounded butt hurt statements just doesnt play well. Except here. But still not based on reality.

[Kab]

4 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Money was in place. Making unfounded butt hurt statements just doesnt play well. Except here. But still not based on reality.

Show me the money and who the donors are , open records will be coming I imagine 

not butt hurt, you softy 

[nd1sufan]

39 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said:

Ah yeah probably 

If NDSU was scheduled to play everybody in the MVFC they may have done this. Since they weren't and some teams still have 8 MVFC games set, I doubt they would do that this late in the game. UND will have to make up that $900K or so in ticket revenue some how. Going from 10,000 (12K - 2K students) at $100/ticket to 8,000 at $12/ticket to see Valpo will be quite a hit to the budget.

[homer]

3 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

If NDSU was scheduled to play everybody in the MVFC they may have done this. Since they weren't and some teams still have 8 MVFC games set, I doubt they would do that this late in the game. UND will have to make up that $900K or so in ticket revenue some how. Going from 10,000 (12K - 2K students) at $100/ticket to 8,000 at $12/ticket to see Valpo will be quite a hit to the budget.

Or the conference will just have everyone play each other.  
 

Losing NDSU off the schedule certainly would hurt but I’d probably worry more about your own scheduling issues

[nd1sufan]

9 hours ago, siouxweet said:

I don't think the current NFL players from NDSU make enough to even fund a small fraction of this.  I have heard it is private donations from alumni and big $$$ people in western ND.

Wentz has made $133 million, Lance $36 million, Turner $34 million, Watson $15 with another $20 million in the next two years (plus huge extension coming possibly this offseason), Zabel has nearly $20 million guaranteed and very likely will be one of the highest paid OL soon. plus a 5-10 other current players in the NFL,  Not saying they are financing any of this but saying they couldn't fund a small fraction is ridiculous.