The Sicatoka Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I propose only current and actual graduates of UND get to vote on the new name. Reading problems? I said current students followed by graduates. No, you didn't. You said, and I quote, " ... current and actual graduates ... " which as written means current-and-actual graduates, or living graduates. (Words mean things.) You did not say "current students and actual graduates". My reading is fine. How's your writing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I am not proposing this to be malicious as Rico is, there is the difference. I am proposing trying to keep it orderly. As lakesioux said they pay taxes so they should get to vote also, there are people younger than 18 who pay property taxes that do not get to vote. I pay property taxes in two counties but only get to vote in one. Have it on a statewide ballot? Bad idea if there ever was one. Just think about it Jay. The only way to keep the process orderly is to only give ballots to current students and graduates. It is not like this is some big democratic issue for everyone to vote on. Rod, I agree that a statewide ballot is a bad idea, but there has to be a way to be more inclusive than just graduates and students. I'm sure from a combination of Twamley (current students), the Alumni Association (graduates) and the Athletic Department (season ticket holder, stakeholders and donations) a nice list could be created of voters. This is not meant to be a complete list, as I'm sure I'm missing someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Let's just use a random name generator. It's bound to produce a better result than some santized, generic non-offensive name from the various "stakeholders", whomever they may be. "Here come your University of North Dakota Flying Mules!!!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 No, you didn't. You said, and I quote, " ... current and actual graduates ... " which as written means current-and-actual graduates, or living graduates. (Words mean things.) You did not say "current students and actual graduates". My reading is fine. How's your writing? My bad and apologies to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Rod, I agree that a statewide ballot is a bad idea, but there has to be a way to be more inclusive than just graduates and students. I'm sure from a combination of Twamley (current students), the Alumni Association (graduates) and the Athletic Department (season ticket holder, stakeholders and donations) a nice list could be created of voters. This is not meant to be a complete list, as I'm sure I'm missing someone. That is the problem with making a list of voters someone will be forgotten. How can a list be made of non-students? A (season ticket holder, big donator), gets to vote but B does not? B (emotional stakeholder like many posters here) will be mad then. The only easy way out of this mess is to limit voting to my suggested groups. That way everyone who is not a student, or graduate, will all be mad togther instead of creating classes of voters. One could equate this even to student government elections. Alumni, taxpayers, etc. all could say they have a vested interest in the outcome but only students get to vote, and not many even bother (less than 10% voted in the last election). I am not trying to create a problem with my suggestion. I am trying to avoid a large problem that will occur if the vote is not limited to my suggested groups. I can understand how the people I left out would be upset for not getting to vote for a name of something they love and hold in high esteem, I would be also if I was one of them. But they probably would get left out anyhow in the process for not being part of the A group. That is why I suggest that the A group should be left out also. Poll taxes are not allowed in the US and that is what would happen if A got to vote and B did not. I know by only allowing my suggested groups to vote it is easy to argue that they paid a poll tax to vote also. There lies the still lingering dilema, but it is the only way out that I can see. I'm open to suggestions to what others think. In those suggestions though, cover all the bases and ramifications of your suggestions please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCM Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 The fact that he writes for Uscho/cesspool should warrant automatic exclusion. Except that I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 That is the problem with making a list of voters someone will be forgotten. How can a list be made of non-students? A (season ticket holder, big donator), gets to vote but B does not? B (emotional stakeholder like many posters here) will be mad then. The only easy way out of this mess is to limit voting to my suggested groups. That way everyone who is not a student, or graduate, will all be mad togther instead of creating classes of voters. One could equate this even to student government elections. Alumni, taxpayers, etc. all could say they have a vested interest in the outcome but only students get to vote, and not many even bother (less than 10% voted in the last election). I am not trying to create a problem with my suggestion. I am trying to avoid a large problem that will occur if the vote is not limited to my suggested groups. I can understand how the people I left out would be upset for not getting to vote for a name of something they love and hold in high esteem, I would be also if I was one of them. But they probably would get left out anyhow in the process for not being part of the A group. That is why I suggest that the A group should be left out also. Poll taxes are not allowed in the US and that is what would happen if A got to vote and B did not. I know by only allowing my suggested groups to vote it is easy to argue that they paid a poll tax to vote also. There lies the still lingering dilema, but it is the only way out that I can see. I'm open to suggestions to what others think. In those suggestions though, cover all the bases and ramifications of your suggestions please. Group B could make a donation to UND Athletics and be put on the list. The donation could be as small as $10. I believe poll taxes are illegal only in Federal elections, per the 24th Amendment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Kelly & his minions will tell the sheep what the name will be wait & see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakessioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Kelly & his minions will tell the sheep what the name will be wait & see What is your infatuation with sheep all about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 What is your infatuation with sheep all about? Don't judge him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Let's just use a random name generator. It's bound to produce a better result than some santized, generic non-offensive name from the various "stakeholders", whomever they may be. "Here come your University of North Dakota Flying Mules!!!!" Oh, I love that one. I've been pushing for the "University of North Dakota Screaming Weasels". Oh, to hope and dream! However, because I have decided on this board I will never use the "S" word anymore for UND, I will also add a boycott of the "B" word for little brother, NDSU to the south of the flagship university. After three years (or if the S name comes back), I will choose a new nickname for NDSU. And, it won't be pretty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakessioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Oh, I love that one. I've been pushing for the "University of North Dakota Screaming Weasels". Oh, to hope and dream! However, because I have decided on this board I will never use the "S" word anymore for UND, I will also add a boycott of the "B" word for little brother, NDSU to the south of the flagship university. After three years (or if the S name comes back), I will choose a new nickname for NDSU. And, it won't be pretty! Do you want me to notify NDSU of this eath shattering news? I am sure they will be crushed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I am sure they will be crushed. Ya had to bring up volleyball and mens basketball again, didn't ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Ya had to bring up volleyball and mens basketball again, didn't ya? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakessioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Ya had to bring up volleyball and mens basketball again, didn't ya? Sometimes you are funny, gayduke isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakessioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Sometimes you are funny, gayduke isn't. oops, freudian slip, meant hayduke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Do you want me to notify NDSU of this eath shattering news? I am sure they will be crushed. Why not? You seem to waste your time on a lot of other crap, just add this to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 Group B could make a donation to UND Athletics and be put on the list. The donation could be as small as $10. I believe poll taxes are illegal only in Federal elections, per the 24th Amendment. If they had to donate to vote that would meet the requirement of a poll tax per se. Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections In the 1966 case of "Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections," the Supreme Court supported the 24th amendment by noting that poll taxes are a violation of the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Read more: Poll Taxes Definition | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_6761770_poll-taxes-definition.html#ixzz1kb0lxWZf Hence why I think the way that I do about this. To prevent a problem just let group C (current students and graduates) vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 If they had to donate to vote that would meet the requirement of a poll tax per se. Harper v. Virginia State Board of ElectionsIn the 1966 case of "Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections," the Supreme Court supported the 24th amendment by noting that poll taxes are a violation of the equal protection clause of the Constitution. Read more: Poll Taxes Definition | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/...l#ixzz1kb0lxWZf Hence why I think the way that I do about this. To prevent a problem just let group C (current students and graduates) vote. ...the Supreme Court extended this prohibition to state elections I don't believe a vote for UND's new nickname would constitute a "state election" I doubt that the Secretary of State for North Dakota is going to preside over the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I don't believe a vote for UND's new nickname would constitute a "state election" I doubt that the Secretary of State for North Dakota is going to preside over the vote. I agree with you on this. Though it would/could be considered a state election of sorts being that UND is a state institution. As you said about the $10 donation to get on the voting list as a donor could lead to a lawsuit that would cost UND/state money and they would lose citing the 24th as you said. That is why I think when you look at all the possible ramifications of trying to decide who gets to vote the only answer as Joshua said is, "not to play". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted January 26, 2012 Share Posted January 26, 2012 I agree with you on this. Though it would/could be considered a state election of sorts being that UND is a state institution. As you said about the $10 donation to get on the voting list as a donor could lead to a lawsuit that would cost UND/state money and they would lose citing the 24th as you said. That is why I think when you look at all the possible ramifications of trying to decide who gets to vote the only answer as Joshua said is, "not to play". Love that movie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchmaker49 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Love that movie. Somewhat a perfect analogy for the situation you would have to agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Somewhat a perfect analogy for the situation you would have to agree. Had to look that up. Hadn't seen that movie in years. And, I think you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
108498 Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Why not see about using something from the base. They do a lot to support the school. I think it would be great if we could get permission to use a plane name or airman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted January 27, 2012 Share Posted January 27, 2012 Sica put forth the name Reapers, which is a UAV the USAF flies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.