Basketball budget

[Goon]

On 3/16/2026 at 4:27 PM, gfhockey said:

Per this link

ee sprnd 2nd most out of Dakota schools in ball

 

https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/here-s-what-it-costs-to-make-a-run-in-march-madness

 

and some of you want to spend more?

I am actually shocked that we spent $2,405,937 on Men's Basketball. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 hours ago, jdub27 said:

No one is fudging numbers when there isn't a guideline on how to report them. Each individual school does it their own way. Some try to make it more accurate by digging into expenses, others lump it into a giant bucket and call it good.

My point on the facilities expense was it is an outlier when looking at the MBB budget for the Dakota 4 schools. Does UND really spend more because they report their MBB facilities expense while the other 3 schools run it through general university or athletic department line items instead of tying it to a specific sport? Take that one simple outlier out and you get a better comparison.

If schools made there EADA source report more accessible, you could start comparing things a little more close, but it is still going to be pretty vague. For example, the most recent EADA report NDSU has publicly listed was published in March, 2024 for the calendar year ending on 6/30/23, SDSU doesn't list one and USD has their most recent one available but it is only the summary, not the actual report.

i wouldn't trust anything out of ndac considering they don't/didn't want the mwc to know that they have fewer than 9500 students..... and no cupholders at the fargodump

#fakeittillumakeit

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 hours ago, Goon said:

I am actually shocked that we spent $2,405,937 on Men's Basketball. 

this aint your mother's ncc......

[HockeyHawk]

On 3/17/2026 at 2:28 PM, Long Snapper 92 said:

People will continue to come up with any excuse possible instead of just holding coaches accountable.

We have a coaching problem and we have a Chaves problem. 

Not disagreeing but at the same time Grand Forks isn’t a desirable place for coaches why do you think we ended up with Stevens in softball when he wouldn’t get another job in the country most likely, and coaches have made comments about how difficult it is to recruit to UND. 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, HockeyHawk said:

Not disagreeing but at the same time Grand Forks isn’t a desirable place for coaches why do you think we ended up with Stevens in softball when he wouldn’t get another job in the country most likely, and coaches have made comments about how difficult it is to recruit to UND. 

Really?

Schmidt is doing great on the recruiting front for FB.

Softball is winning at a pace I have never seen before. That new on-campus home field is paying off nicely.

Hockey is rejuvenated after just one year of new leadership.

The basketball programs are struggling because of poor coaching hires, a lack of thoroughness in coaching searches and a complete lack of standards and expectations from the AD's office.

Volleyball just hired a new coach, so the jury is still out on that. But that program is currently in the sewer for the same reasons I outlined above for both basketball programs.

Our new facilities are top notch and are already helping us recruit top notch student-athletes.

We've just been lacking proper leadership in the AD's office. Which has nothing to do with geography or climate.

[HockeyHawk]

6 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Really?

Schmidt is doing great on the recruiting front for FB.

Softball is winning at a pace I have never seen before. That new on-campus home field is paying off nicely.

Hockey is rejuvenated after just one year of new leadership.

The basketball programs are struggling because of poor coaching hires, a lack of thoroughness in coaching searches and a complete lack of standards and expectations from the AD's office.

Volleyball just hired a new coach, so the jury is still out on that. But that program is currently in the sewer for the same reasons I outlined above for both basketball programs.

Our new facilities are top notch and are already helping us recruit top notch student-athletes.

We've just been lacking proper leadership in the AD's office. Which has nothing to do with geography or climate.

Look over the years since UND transitioned to Division I how many big hires have happened? Hockey are having a good year is it record setting? Football same it’s a step in the right direction but body of work too small. Sorry to p!!s on your parade but Grand Forks is not a desirable location for coaches of athletes. 

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, HockeyHawk said:

Look over the years since UND transitioned to Division I how many big hires have happened? Hockey are having a good year is it record setting? Football same it’s a step in the right direction but body of work too small. Sorry to p!!s on your parade but Grand Forks is not a desirable location for coaches of athletes. 

You talk like ... a Bison. 

[Long Snapper 92]

23 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

You talk like ... a Bison. 

Yep! Get him out of here

[UND69er]

11 hours ago, HockeyHawk said:

Look over the years since UND transitioned to Division I how many big hires have happened? Hockey are having a good year is it record setting? Football same it’s a step in the right direction but body of work too small. Sorry to p!!s on your parade but Grand Forks is not a desirable location for coaches of athletes. 

GF is not Mecca, but have you been to Vermillion or Brookings? Cedar Falls, Laramie, Greeley, etc. It's the coaching/recruiting and the AD hasn't put any serious effort into BB and only recently into FB and hockey. Gotta be the cushiest AD job in the midwest.

[fightingsioux4life]

12 hours ago, HockeyHawk said:

Look over the years since UND transitioned to Division I how many big hires have happened? Hockey are having a good year is it record setting? Football same it’s a step in the right direction but body of work too small. Sorry to p!!s on your parade but Grand Forks is not a desirable location for coaches of athletes. 

Sorry to pi$$ on YOUR parade, but your "geography trumps everything else" doctrine doesn't hold water.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, UND69er said:

GF is not Mecca, but have you been to Vermillion or Brookings? Cedar Falls, Laramie, Greeley, etc. It's the coaching/recruiting and the AD hasn't put any serious effort into BB and only recently into FB and hockey. Gotta be the cushiest AD job in the midwest.

I don't think coaching has been ignored by any stretch and unfortunately some of the hires haven't worked out.

But I'm not sure if you've looked at the recent facilities that have been put up in the last 5ish years but have been promised for decades. Doesn't happen by itself.
Figure out a basketball/volleyball practice facility to allow the Betty to be renovated and there isn't a whole lot left on that wishlist.

[Goon]

19 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

this aint your mother's ncc......

I guess not. I watched four or five games this season, and I feel that our men’s basketball 🏀program is on the way up. We aren't there yet. 

[Hawkster]

22 hours ago, Goon said:

I am actually shocked that we spent $2,405,937 on Men's Basketball. 

I'm not surprised that we spent that much, I'm just shocked that we don't have much to show for it.

[gfhockey]

19 minutes ago, Hawkster said:

I'm not surprised that we spent that much, I'm just shocked that we don't have much to show for it.

Dude, look up in the thread. We have to deal with the portal.

[UND69er]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

I don't think coaching has been ignored by any stretch and unfortunately some of the hires haven't worked out.

But I'm not sure if you've looked at the recent facilities that have been put up in the last 5ish years but have been promised for decades. Doesn't happen by itself.
Figure out a basketball/volleyball practice facility to allow the Betty to be renovated and there isn't a whole lot left on that wishlist.

Building facilities, etc. is a whole different scenario from evaluating and finding talented coaches or employees. As someone with an engineering project management career over 40 years and hiring and managing many people I'll tell you the skillsets are different.  I've been waiting for 20 years for UND to perform across the board as well as it did in D2 old 4 Dakota schools era when it was a leader not a follower.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, UND69er said:

Building facilities, etc. is a whole different scenario from evaluating and finding talented coaches or employees. As someone with an engineering project management career over 40 years and hiring and managing many people I'll tell you the skillsets are different.  I've been waiting for 20 years for UND to perform across the board as well as it did in D2 old 4 Dakota schools era when it was a leader not a follower.

Both are required skills of an AD.

Being in engineering project management, you should also understand there is budget constraints that limit the scope of projects/people you can get done or hire.
Still curious on what the WBB coach's contract looks like. Ignoring he had been here the previous year, his credentials were not out of something they would have been looking for. It was either going to be someone who had shown success at a lower level as a head coach or an assistant from a higher level who had minimal head coaching experience.

Would be interesting to know the details of the contract only to see if it was a short-term "prove it" deal while they dealt with MH and FB (and I suppose VB) or if it was closer to a standard deal. How the opening came about wasn't ideal either and maybe there was hope to salvage some pieces, to help short and long term. Don't know. Guessing that other things seem to be taken care of, WBB is under full scrutiny as it should be.

[HockeyHawk]

I know I’m in the minority here but unfortunately for UND that Grand Forks simply isn’t a desirable place to live while in college. You can dispute this as much as you want but hockey aside the college isn’t relevant. Feel free to keep the rose tinted glasses on. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

I know I’m in the minority here but unfortunately for UND that Grand Forks simply isn’t a desirable place to live while in college. You can dispute this as much as you want but hockey aside the college isn’t relevant. Feel free to keep the rose tinted glasses on. 

why is und the largest of the dak4 in enrollment and ndac is under 10k for students?  please tell

[Fratt Mattin]

19 minutes ago, HockeyHawk said:

I know I’m in the minority here but unfortunately for UND that Grand Forks simply isn’t a desirable place to live while in college. You can dispute this as much as you want but hockey aside the college isn’t relevant. Feel free to keep the rose tinted glasses on. 

I actually feel the opposite. While it may not be a super popular post college place to live, I think it's a great college town. The city is really set up around the college and I don't think it's hard at all to sell someone on four years there. Obviously the weather could be better, but the difference between GF and Fargo, Brookings, etc. in that department is fairly marginal

[ND-fan]

I wouldn’t totally use enrollment figures because UND has transition to using tech meaning significant amount of there new enrollment is off campus. Meaning students are doing school online but NDSU has much higher percentage of enrollment on campus which I think is around 95%.  I had wondered about this for some time with less dorms but higher enrollments and read article on this few months ago. I don’t think Grand Forks is problem in getting coaches to come here but I do think pay and facilities and money to support programs is the problem presently.  

[The Sicatoka]

Campus development.
The Columbia to the Coulee corridor. 

Today's students want new modern facilities and UND's enrollment bears that out. 

[forksandspoons]

8 hours ago, HockeyHawk said:

I know I’m in the minority here but unfortunately for UND that Grand Forks simply isn’t a desirable place to live while in college. You can dispute this as much as you want but hockey aside the college isn’t relevant. Feel free to keep the rose tinted glasses on. 

UND is growing.. have you been to the campus or downtown recently? Almost entirely all new.

[F'n Hawks]

8 hours ago, HockeyHawk said:

I know I’m in the minority here but unfortunately for UND that Grand Forks simply isn’t a desirable place to live while in college. You can dispute this as much as you want but hockey aside the college isn’t relevant. Feel free to keep the rose tinted glasses on. 

I can’t believe there are “UND supporters” out there that believe this. UND has a lot more going for it than just hockey. Just a ridiculous take. 

[Long Snapper 92]

3 hours ago, F'n Hawks said:

I can’t believe there are “UND supporters” out there that believe this. UND has a lot more going for it than just hockey. Just a ridiculous take. 

That poster is a Bison fan pretending to be a UND fan. Don’t take what they say seriously 

[SiouxFan100]

I had a blast living in Grand Forks while going to UND back in the late 70s and early 80s.