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59 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Not a personally directed comment. Just a generality: we may not like the current state of collegiate athletics, but you still have an opportunity to be generous and make a difference. Not doing so, regardless of your stance, puts UND at a competitive disadvantage.

I agree with you @UND-FB-FAN

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2 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I would argue Ira asking for my donation dollar figure, just because i expressed an opinion, was the "callous" comment here.   If he's going to inquire into my personal donations, I think all should be able to handle my truthful response.

Your second paragraph mirrors what i originally said; that unregulated dollars being thrown around to individuals is a net negative for college sports in general.  

  

Help me out here.
Where did I ask for your donation figure? I don’t care what it is cuz it’s none of my business. What was callous about my comment to what I understood was a question as to the difference in a donation to either UND or one of the NIL initiatives?  I responded “The number of zeros in your donation?”.  Maybe I’m wrong but I was thinking because NFL players are paid so much more a donation would need to be much larger (more zeros) than a check for our program. 
That  is only one sentence not a paragraph, much less 2. 
What am I missing?

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1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Not a personally directed comment. Just a generality: we may not like the current state of collegiate athletics, but you still have an opportunity to be generous and make a difference. Not doing so, regardless of your stance, puts UND at a competitive disadvantage.

I get what you're saying.  But i also feel this current state of college athletics is doing a bang up job of ruining the idea of amateur collegiate sports.  And if the plan is to make fans feel guilty about their teams' lack of success because they didn't give enough money to pay the athletes, well, I just think that will further alienate fans.  I appreciate your passion for UND football, but not everyone is as committed as you are.

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6 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I get what you're saying.  But i also feel this current state of college athletics is doing a bang up job of ruining the idea of amateur collegiate sports.  And if the plan is to make fans feel guilty about their teams' lack of success because they didn't give enough money to pay the athletes, well, I just think that will further alienate fans.  I appreciate your passion for UND football, but not everyone is as committed as you are.

Every college athletics program will lose supporters due to the direction we’re on. The program(s) that lose the least will be most successful. War of attrition is where we’re at unfortunately with collegiate athletics. Despite all of that, college football is at an all time high in terms of popularity and revenue generated. As such, it’s not all doom and gloom. Need to rationalize everything somewhere in the middle. As is the case with most things, it’s not as good nor as bad as it seems.

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6 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Help me out here.
Where did I ask for your donation figure? I don’t care what it is cuz it’s none of my business. What was callous about my comment to what I understood was a question as to the difference in a donation to either UND or one of the NIL initiatives?  I responded “The number of zeros in your donation?”.  Maybe I’m wrong but I was thinking because NFL players are paid so much more a donation would need to be much larger (more zeros) than a check for our program. 
That  is only one sentence not a paragraph, much less 2. 
What am I missing?

Apparently i misunderstood your point when you asked for the number of zeroes in my donation.  I wasn't expecting you or anyone to essentially say there is no longer any difference between professional and collegiate sports.  So in that context, i thought you were asking how large my donations were.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

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14 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I get what you're saying.  But i also feel this current state of college athletics is doing a bang up job of ruining the idea of amateur collegiate sports.  And if the plan is to make fans feel guilty about their teams' lack of success because they didn't give enough money to pay the athletes, well, I just think that will further alienate fans.  I appreciate your passion for UND football, but not everyone is as committed as you are.

You don't want to give, that's up to you.

But if you aren't interested in giving, please don't ever come here and complain about our lack of success on the field.

I don't like what is happening any more than you. But it isn't going to change because we think the current system is "immoral" or "wrong".

Either we adapt to the climate as it is or we get left behind. There is no third option here.

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43 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

You don't want to give, that's up to you.

But if you aren't interested in giving, please don't ever come here and complain about our lack of success on the field.

I don't like what is happening any more than you. But it isn't going to change because we think the current system is "immoral" or "wrong".

Either we adapt to the climate as it is or we get left behind. There is no third option here.

Not giving hasn’t stopped anyone on this board or off this board from complaining about lack of success or for asking for coaches to be fired.  Just because people have different priorities than you doesn’t mean they don’t want to see the program succeed.  Just to be able to complain, I will donate a dollar to the effort, and if you go by those that complain the most vociferously to donation level, you better be giving over half your salary to the cause.

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39 minutes ago, tnt said:

Not giving hasn’t stopped anyone on this board or off this board from complaining about lack of success or for asking for coaches to be fired.  Just because people have different priorities than you doesn’t mean they don’t want to see the program succeed.  Just to be able to complain, I will donate a dollar to the effort, and if you go by those that complain the most vociferously to donation level, you better be giving over half your salary to the cause.

People have every right to complain on here; I do it all the time. My point is that the system is not going to change because we don't like it and if UND as an institution doesn't figure out how to thrive in this environment, we will get left behind. There's no getting around that. The first 15 or so years of Division I have been very underwhelming to say the least. I would hope the next 15 years prove to be much better.

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46 minutes ago, tnt said:

Not giving hasn’t stopped anyone on this board or off this board from complaining about lack of success or for asking for coaches to be fired.  Just because people have different priorities than you doesn’t mean they don’t want to see the program succeed.  Just to be able to complain, I will donate a dollar to the effort, and if you go by those that complain the most vociferously to donation level, you better be giving over half your salary to the cause.

 

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

You don't want to give, that's up to you.

But if you aren't interested in giving, please don't ever come here and complain about our lack of success on the field.

I don't like what is happening any more than you. But it isn't going to change because we think the current system is "immoral" or "wrong".

Either we adapt to the climate as it is or we get left behind. There is no third option here.

 

1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Apparently i misunderstood your point when you asked for the number of zeroes in my donation.  I wasn't expecting you or anyone to essentially say there is no longer any difference between professional and collegiate sports.  So in that context, i thought you were asking how large my donations were.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Every college athletics program will lose supporters due to the direction we’re on. The program(s) that lose the least will be most successful. War of attrition is where we’re at unfortunately with collegiate athletics. Despite all of that, college football is at an all time high in terms of popularity and revenue generated. As such, it’s not all doom and gloom. Need to rationalize everything somewhere in the middle. As is the case with most things, it’s not as good nor as bad as it seems.

This is the transfer portal thread, keep it on that. If you want to complain about the state of college athletics because of NIL and unlimited transfers and donations start a new thread.

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Just now, bubbaball69 said:

This is the transfer portal thread, keep it on that. If you want to complain about the state of college athletics because of NIL and unlimited transfers and donations start a new thread.

They are all unavoidably connected.

Posted
2 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

They are all unavoidably connected.

I get that but this should be about players, leaving, potential players and players who are signing from d2 and lower.

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Posted
1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

Does anyone know we have how much in the coffers? Last I heard after we blew our wad last year. We had an about 45 g.

There’s a match going on right now in the collective so there will be more than 45 g by the time the January transfer window comes around; and also with the revenue sharing now for this cycle I would anticipate, per sources, UND will have 6 figures plus of revenue sharing from UND for the roster. We’re in good shape, but this is competition folks, ya’ll need to still contribute some if you want UND to continue to excel and take it to the next level. Have to compete and ultimately better those arrogant a**holes in Fargo ag college. Again, nothing to do with deep pockets, it’s the action itself that counts ($25-50 per month is all, but if you can give more that’s great) and, as such, getting all the UND masses unified in this movement and opportunity.

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