Prospective Recruits

[FSSD]

On 9/10/2024 at 4:15 PM, TwamleyShuffle said:

Let’s be real, will SCSU exist in 10 years? That’s the better question

A large % of the enrollment at SCSU are high school students utilizing PSCO.  Without that program things would be much worse at SCSU.  Those that are familiar:

Postsecondary Enrollment Options (PSEO) is an opportunity for Minnesota resident high school students in grades 10, 11 or 12, to earn dual credit for both high school and college. Most commonly, PSEO courses are delivered by the postsecondary institution (PSI) online or in person on campus.

[Goon]

Interesting read on Erik Pohlkamp

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Erik Pohlkamp had a strong freshman season at Bemidji State with 11 goals and 23 points in 32 games. He’s an NHL draft pick. He tied for the NCAA lead in goals by a freshman defenseman and was seventh in points.

Pohlkamp is now likely to be a key member of the defense corps at the University of Denver this season as the Pioneers seek to defend their national championship. When he entered the transfer portal, his experience playing for Carle with the United States at the WJC was top of mind.

“To be honest, if I didn’t have ‘D.C.’ as a coach at world juniors, I don’t think I would have ever ended up here. Absolutely not,” Pohlkamp said Tuesday, one day after the defending champs opened training camp for the 2024-25 season. “I think it would have been North Dakota, or definitely closer to home.”

 

 

[dustnyou]

Darn 

[scpa0305]

24 minutes ago, Goon said:

Interesting read on Erik Pohlkamp

 

Obviously…boy that sucks. NTDP being in Plymouth, DC getting the WJC last year (and this year). Nice little advantage.

[scpa0305]

Tanner Walos decommited from Wisco…he’s pretty good. Has an ‘08 younger brother that’s very good. Something to keep an eye on.

[brianvf]

And here we go:

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/41243185/whl-braxton-whitehead-commits-arizona-state-challenging-ncaa-rules

[cberkas]

 

[.357]

32 minutes ago, cberkas said:

 

How can ASU get a verbal from a WHL player before the class action suit has even been decided? I know it's inevitable, but doesn't an NCAA school have to wait for the official ruling before a Canadian player can commit from the CHL to the NCAA?

This will increase the overall talent pool in D1 hockey, but won't it exclude some marginal American players because NCAA rosters will now be inundated with CHL players?

[cberkas]

1 minute ago, .357 said:

How can ASU get a verbal from a WHL player before the class action suit has even been decided? I know it's inevitable, but doesn't an NCAA school have to wait for the official ruling before a Canadian player can commit from the CHL to the NCAA?

This will increase the overall talent pool in D1 hockey, but won't it exclude some marginal American players because NCAA rosters will now be inundated with CHL players?

He's not the first player, maybe the first that aged out of the CH, but he still has to clear the NCAA first unless they remove the ban. I look him up and not surprised he's trying to go NCAA. 

 

[brianvf]

1 hour ago, cberkas said:

He's not the first player, maybe the first that aged out of the CH, but he still has to clear the NCAA first unless they remove the ban. I look him up and not surprised he's trying to go NCAA. 

Yeah I doubt that he’ll light up NCAA. He’s just looking to keep playing puck at a higher level. 

[cberkas]

Kam Hendrickson to UConn

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, cberkas said:

Kam Hendrickson to UConn

Possibly the quickest decommit and recommit ever. Committed to Princeton last month. 

[yzerman19]

23 hours ago, .357 said:

How can ASU get a verbal from a WHL player before the class action suit has even been decided? I know it's inevitable, but doesn't an NCAA school have to wait for the official ruling before a Canadian player can commit from the CHL to the NCAA?

This will increase the overall talent pool in D1 hockey, but won't it exclude some marginal American players because NCAA rosters will now be inundated with CHL players?

They are pushing it because they believe the NCAA won't want to fight a bunch of lawsuits on this. It's piling on to force the issue.

As I said earlier, the bigger issue will be with "of age" players, especially ones who are NHL draft picks. The rules there have to be bargained by the league and NHLPA in terms of RFA status, etc.  Right now the rules are different for drafted NCAA players and drafted CHL players.

I agree that short term it will create some choices where a CHL "graduate" might be a better choice than a kid from say the NAHL for limited spots.  Long term, however, I believe it fuels college hockey expansion.  More experienced players to help make a fledgling program competitive more quickly.

From a player perspective, I like that it gives kids more choices on where they develop while still keeping NCAA an option...CHL is great hockey.  
 

Blue Chippas still gonna chippa...first rounders will sign and follow the NHL/CHL rules.  I don't expect them foregoing signing bonus and not signing in order to stay college eligible.  Your 6th round pick out of the WHL might not sign though in order to keep college as an option.  That's where the league and especially the NHLPA is going to weigh in.

 

[cberkas]

Jet Kwajah commits to Penn State

[cberkas]

Xavier Lieb to Penn State

[gfhockey]

What have we gotten

[cberkas]

Sam Peckham to Cornell 

[Blackheart]

20 hours ago, gfhockey said:

What have we gotten

Jack Squat to UND?

[yzerman19]

Bummy is high end.  He's a good get.  Not sure who else we are going after hard.

[.357]

50 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Bummy is high end.  He's a good get.  Not sure who else we are going after hard.

Once August 1st hit I thought UND would see a flurry of high-end commits; most D1 schools outside of a couple have been quiet. I thought that most sought-after players would have decided by now, unless they're having a hard time narrowing their choices down to just one.

[Frozen4sioux]

On 9/13/2024 at 4:34 PM, .357 said:

How can ASU get a verbal from a WHL player before the class action suit has even been decided? I know it's inevitable, but doesn't an NCAA school have to wait for the official ruling before a Canadian player can commit from the CHL to the NCAA?

This will increase the overall talent pool in D1 hockey, but won't it exclude some marginal American players because NCAA rosters will now be inundated with CHL players?

 

On 9/14/2024 at 4:27 PM, yzerman19 said:

They are pushing it because they believe the NCAA won't want to fight a bunch of lawsuits on this. It's piling on to force the issue.

As I said earlier, the bigger issue will be with "of age" players, especially ones who are NHL draft picks. The rules there have to be bargained by the league and NHLPA in terms of RFA status, etc.  Right now the rules are different for drafted NCAA players and drafted CHL players.

I agree that short term it will create some choices where a CHL "graduate" might be a better choice than a kid from say the NAHL for limited spots.  Long term, however, I believe it fuels college hockey expansion.  More experienced players to help make a fledgling program competitive more quickly.

From a player perspective, I like that it gives kids more choices on where they develop while still keeping NCAA an option...CHL is great hockey.  
 

Blue Chippas still gonna chippa...first rounders will sign and follow the NHL/CHL rules.  I don't expect them foregoing signing bonus and not signing in order to stay college eligible.  Your 6th round pick out of the WHL might not sign though in order to keep college as an option.  That's where the league and especially the NHLPA is going to weigh in.

 

I see this as a massive blow to USA Hockey overall.  How I see it playing out..

There will be a huge influx of MJ age outs flooding the NCAA spots, and this will absolutely shut out opportunities for USHL and NAHL kids in the USA hockey system.   

Yes, eventually college hockey will expand but at a minimum It will take 7-10 years for college hockey to expand to accommodate the influx of players.

Zero top talent kids will go the NCAA route immediately, they will absolutely go MJ with college being the age out option for further development. It will be easy for the MJ teams to attract and convince kids of this path, especially in the time it takes NCAA to React/FugUp that reaction/Adapt to the ne norm. NCAA Hockey will be the backup plan

The other side of the shitsandwich is specifically WHO it hurts the most: 2005/2006/2007 kids (maybe even 2008s) because they will be the ones caught in the middle of the influx and expansion options, a group of kids already the most effected by the covid shutdowns, extra years, and everything they've had to go through..

In the end NCAA wont be competing with MJ for players it will be competing with the ECHL and Europe for players. Different world is coming.

Losers: NCAA Hockey, USHL

Massive Losers: NAHL, USA Hockey players

Winners: Canadian Major Juniors, NHL teams, Canadian Junior A 

Massive Winners: AAA Hockey programs who can further push the need to pay for exposure and development, 

[stoneySIOUX]

15 hours ago, .357 said:

Once August 1st hit I thought UND would see a flurry of high-end commits; most D1 schools outside of a couple have been quiet. I thought that most sought-after players would have decided by now, unless they're having a hard time narrowing their choices down to just one.

The CHL convo is very much a part of this, too. A lot of schools aren't going hard on a massive chunk of players because they see the CHL tap about to be wide open.

[stoneySIOUX]

33 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

 

I see this as a massive blow to USA Hockey overall.  How I see it playing out..

There will be a huge influx of MJ age outs flooding the NCAA spots, and this will absolutely shut out opportunities for USHL and NAHL kids in the USA hockey system.   

Yes, eventually college hockey will expand but at a minimum It will take 7-10 years for college hockey to expand to accommodate the influx of players.

Zero top talent kids will go the NCAA route immediately, they will absolutely go MJ with college being the age out option for further development. It will be easy for the MJ teams to attract and convince kids of this path, especially in the time it takes NCAA to React/FugUp that reaction/Adapt to the ne norm. NCAA Hockey will be the backup plan

The other side of the shitsandwich is specifically WHO it hurts the most: 2005/2006/2007 kids (maybe even 2008s) because they will be the ones caught in the middle of the influx and expansion options, a group of kids already the most effected by the covid shutdowns, extra years, and everything they've had to go through..

In the end NCAA wont be competing with MJ for players it will be competing with the ECHL and Europe for players. Different world is coming.

Losers: NCAA Hockey, USHL

Massive Losers: NAHL, USA Hockey players

Winners: Canadian Major Juniors, NHL teams, Canadian Junior A 

Massive Winners: AAA Hockey programs who can further push the need to pay for exposure and development, 

I'm hearing the opposite regarding the top kids not going NCAA. Coaches see this as a massive coup for college hockey. Year by year, more big-time players are playing NCAA and the balance is shifting away from MJ a bit. With NLA and some very attractive, big-time schools, NCAA will get many top enders. These top enders want options and this is an example of that. On top of that, the middle of the road NCAA teams will get better too with additional influx of players. 

Directly from a couple pretty tied in hockey dudes.... they both said the "NCAA big dogs will get 10-15% better and the Bemidjis and Techs will get 25% better"

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

41 minutes ago, Frozen4sioux said:

 

I see this as a massive blow to USA Hockey overall.  How I see it playing out..

There will be a huge influx of MJ age outs flooding the NCAA spots, and this will absolutely shut out opportunities for USHL and NAHL kids in the USA hockey system.   

Yes, eventually college hockey will expand but at a minimum It will take 7-10 years for college hockey to expand to accommodate the influx of players.

Zero top talent kids will go the NCAA route immediately, they will absolutely go MJ with college being the age out option for further development. It will be easy for the MJ teams to attract and convince kids of this path, especially in the time it takes NCAA to React/FugUp that reaction/Adapt to the ne norm. NCAA Hockey will be the backup plan

The other side of the shitsandwich is specifically WHO it hurts the most: 2005/2006/2007 kids (maybe even 2008s) because they will be the ones caught in the middle of the influx and expansion options, a group of kids already the most effected by the covid shutdowns, extra years, and everything they've had to go through..

In the end NCAA wont be competing with MJ for players it will be competing with the ECHL and Europe for players. Different world is coming.

Losers: NCAA Hockey, USHL

Massive Losers: NAHL, USA Hockey players

Winners: Canadian Major Juniors, NHL teams, Canadian Junior A 

Massive Winners: AAA Hockey programs who can further push the need to pay for exposure and development, 

What is the upside for Canadian junior A? Their niche right now is retaining eligibility for NCAA, seems they are in the same boat as USHL and NAHL.

NCAA could assist/incentivize Liberty, Navy, SFU, URI, Syracuse, Delaware and anyone else where the rink is already there to make the jump. D3 schools are a big winner here too.

[Frozen4sioux]

4 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

What is the upside for Canadian junior A? Their niche right now is retaining eligibility for NCAA, seems they are in the same boat as USHL and NAHL.

NCAA could assist/incentivize Liberty, Navy, SFU, URI, Syracuse, Delaware and anyone else where the rink is already there to make the jump. D3 schools are a big winner here too.

Those schools may win and EVENTUALLY NCAA will expand but that is a long process. You are correct D3, and ACHA are probably big winners as well, and quickly

I see that point of CanJrA, just considering the relationships of that with the MJ teams as continuing to protect development paths for Canadian kids, but who knows that that all plays out I guess.