Dane Jackson named head coach

[cberkas]

1 minute ago, ChadR said:

Pat Ferschweiller interview on Spitting Chiclets said zero players at WMU are getting NIL. Kids just want to win.

Heard the same at Denver

[Cratter]

Wonder how "different amounts of NIL" divide a locker room in today's college landcspe.

Everyone with $0 means everyone is equal.

Maybe Dane ( i mean cough* non UND entity* cough)  should pay everyone equally and if someone doesn't come because they want more money, you instantly know they don't fit.

Just gotta think one or two guys making a lot more than the rest of the team might even subconsciously divide a team.

Suddenly UND becomes "David" again vs "Goliath".....small teams with little money....against the Big Ten schools with all their fancy money laden rosters! Lean into this culture. It's what built UND into a powerhouse!

Small UND vs Big school Gophers! UND: "the leftover players who the Gophers and Michigans didn't want" was the attitude....that national attitude put a chip on UND players shoulders in the 80s and 90s.

That attitude won National Championships.

Problem is we became too big with the new Ralph and all the Championships. It developed a big target on our backs! And like the Michigan's and Gophers, UND the last twenty years got everyone's A game.

Time to go back and reestablish our roots.

[.357]

16 minutes ago, cberkas said:

Heard the same at Denver

Puts all this anxiety about NIL into perspective when at least 2 of this year's FF teams aren't paying anyone.

Paying a kid 6 figures doesn't mean he'll leave it all on the ice or invest in the team concept.

[hockeytherapy13]

1 hour ago, mygarske said:

Agreed. Why wait to “fix the culture”? PK sucked all year. That was Jackson’s responsibility. What changes did he make to improve it?
And to defend Berry, rare here, unlike football & basketball, HC in hockey does not do the bulk of the recruiting, it is the asst coaches. So if these past players were soft, or not as talented, or weren’t Sioux to the core, Jackson was the head offensive recruiter. What is going to change with his *new* culture. Was he not recruiting these type of players the last 5+ years?

I’m here with all of you, so I love UND & Sioux hockey & want it to be the best program in the country. FULL stop. But, when I have had to fire bad managers/employees, there is always one Eddie Haskel chirping “I knew Larry wasn’t doing his job! He was a bad leader. Etc, etc.” I always ask, what did YOU do to fix things? And why didn’t you tell me this before we fired Larry?? It’s always too convenient to blame the guy that took the bullet in the head.

The Merchant Marine’s moto is “Acta non Verba”, which means deeds, not words. Sums it up for me. 

Regarding the PK. Please compare the 1st 2 months of the season compared to the last 2 months of the season. I’ll hang up and listen to see if you think changes were made. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

41 minutes ago, ChadR said:

Pat Ferschweiller interview on Spitting Chiclets said zero players at WMU are getting NIL. Kids just want to win.

so he's adopting my great idea of just not playing this game and not paying anyone? see if he takes it one step further...no portal players either. your either with us or against mentality

novel idea.

[SIOUXFAN97]

42 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Wonder how "different amounts of NIL" divide a locker room in today's college landcspe.

Everyone with $0 means everyone is equal.

Maybe Dane ( i mean cough* non UND entity* cough)  should pay everyone equally and if someone doesn't come because they want more money, you instantly know they don't fit.

Just gotta think one or two guys making a lot more than the rest of the team might even subconsciously divide a team.

Suddenly UND becomes "David" again vs "Goliath".....small teams with little money....against the Big Ten schools with all their fancy money laden rosters! Lean into this culture. It's what built UND into a powerhouse!

Small UND vs Big school Gophers! UND: "the leftover players who the Gophers and Michigans didn't want" was the attitude....that national attitude put a chip on UND players shoulders in the 80s and 90s.

That attitude won National Championships.

Problem is we became too big with the new Ralph and all the Championships. It developed a big target on our backs! And like the Michigan's and Gophers, UND the last twenty years got everyone's A game.

Time to go back and reestablish our roots.

 

great point............wondering the same....that's why i was asking who decides who gets what value...

imagine being on the basketball team and see amar kulivcich getting 30k when he should actually be paying UND to play here and look over and see Eli King getting 10k bc bonzer or white glasses DECIDED that amar was worth 30k bc of his exceptional shot blocking abilities and didn't think eli was worth anything more than 10K...

could make for a very "divided" lockerroom for sure.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

He did say some will be getting money in the future 

[sioux24/7]

6 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

so he's adopting my great idea of just not playing this game and not paying anyone? see if he takes it one step further...no portal players either. your either with us or against mentality

novel idea.

Spoilers: he won’t. They’ve been hammering the portal right now. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

47 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Wonder how "different amounts of NIL" divide a locker room in today's college landcspe.

Everyone with $0 means everyone is equal.

Maybe Dane ( i mean cough* non UND entity* cough)  should pay everyone equally and if someone doesn't come because they want more money, you instantly know they don't fit.

Just gotta think one or two guys making a lot more than the rest of the team might even subconsciously divide a team.

Suddenly UND becomes "David" again vs "Goliath".....small teams with little money....against the Big Ten schools with all their fancy money laden rosters! Lean into this culture. It's what built UND into a powerhouse!

Small UND vs Big school Gophers! UND: "the leftover players who the Gophers and Michigans didn't want" was the attitude....that national attitude put a chip on UND players shoulders in the 80s and 90s.

That attitude won National Championships.

Problem is we became too big with the new Ralph and all the Championships. It developed a big target on our backs! And like the Michigan's and Gophers, UND the last twenty years got everyone's A game.

Time to go back and reestablish our roots.

^^^^^ great post

[Siouxperman8]

2 hours ago, mygarske said:

Agreed. Why wait to “fix the culture”? PK sucked all year. That was Jackson’s responsibility. What changes did he make to improve it?
And to defend Berry, rare here, unlike football & basketball, HC in hockey does not do the bulk of the recruiting, it is the asst coaches. So if these past players were soft, or not as talented, or weren’t Sioux to the core, Jackson was the head offensive recruiter. What is going to change with his *new* culture. Was he not recruiting these type of players the last 5+ years?

I’m here with all of you, so I love UND & Sioux hockey & want it to be the best program in the country. FULL stop. But, when I have had to fire bad managers/employees, there is always one Eddie Haskel chirping “I knew Larry wasn’t doing his job! He was a bad leader. Etc, etc.” I always ask, what did YOU do to fix things? And why didn’t you tell me this before we fired Larry?? It’s always too convenient to blame the guy that took the bullet in the head.

The Merchant Marine’s moto is “Acta non Verba”, which means deeds, not words. Sums it up for me. 

What makes you think the head fb coach does the bulk of the recruiting?   He's definitely involved in the final decisions but the assistants have a region or state they are responsible for.  Just the sheer number of football players on the roster would make that impossible. 

[Walsh Hall]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

^^^^^ great post

Some collectives are targeted at a specific group (O-Linemen...), but in the end it's not up to the university in the current state of NLI.  I'm not sure why there is so much confusion on the board on this issue.  It's a private entity or individual, not the University, that is paying for NIL.   Unless DJ specifically asks the collective to NOT attempt to reach deals with top end talent, and to only offer the same deal to everyone, and the Collective agrees, this ain't happening.  

A local business or individual has the ability, right now, to reach out to the advisors of Gavin McKenna and offer him 1m to be their brand ambassador contingent on him suiting up for UND.  I suspect this can be structured in different ways, i.e. forgivable loan... for foreign born players.  The university need not be involved in the transaction in any way, and the university can't veto the private against between the player and the payor (outside refusing to enroll or sign the player).

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

Some collectives are targeted at a specific group (O-Linemen...), but in the end it's not up to the university in the current state of NLI.  I'm not sure why there is so much confusion on the board on this issue.  It's a private entity or individual, not the University, that is paying for NIL.   Unless DJ specifically asks the collective to NOT attempt to reach deals with top end talent, and to only offer the same deal to everyone, and the Collective agrees, this ain't happening.  

A local business or individual has the ability, right now, to reach out to the advisors of Gavin McKenna and offer him 1m to be their brand ambassador contingent on him suiting up for UND.  I suspect this can be structured in different ways, i.e. forgivable loan... for foreign born players.  The university need not be involved in the transaction in any way, and the university can't veto the private against between the player and the payor (outside refusing to enroll or sign the player).

that's fine and dandy but what he was referring to was will this add to the divided locker room that might have permeated thru the halls of REA....i got this much so i'm big man here and you only got this much so go suck eggs....

[BusinessSiouxt]

7 hours ago, UND1983 said:

How do you know he was just a loyal soldier?

I don’t, but I also don’t know that he wasn’t.

[Walsh Hall]

22 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

that's fine and dandy but what he was referring to was will this add to the divided locker room that might have permeated thru the halls of REA....i got this much so i'm big man here and you only got this much so go suck eggs....

I completely agree with that issue.  From my point of view NIL it’s a complete mess of an issue, but it’s now a huge part of the equation for college hockey.

[SIOUXFAN97]

16 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

I completely agree with that issue.  From my point of view NIL it’s a complete mess of an issue, but it’s now a huge part of the equation for college hockey.

in dane we trust!

[.357]

1 hour ago, Walsh Hall said:

Some collectives are targeted at a specific group (O-Linemen...), but in the end it's not up to the university in the current state of NLI.  I'm not sure why there is so much confusion on the board on this issue.  It's a private entity or individual, not the University, that is paying for NIL. Unless DJ specifically asks the collective to NOT attempt to reach deals with top end talent, and to only offer the same deal to everyone, and the Collective agrees, this ain't happening.  

A local business or individual has the ability, right now, to reach out to the advisors of Gavin McKenna and offer him 1m to be their brand ambassador contingent on him suiting up for UND.  I suspect this can be structured in different ways, i.e. forgivable loan... for foreign born players.  The university need not be involved in the transaction in any way, and the university can't veto the private against between the player and the payor (outside refusing to enroll or sign the player).

Agreed, but there has to be some communication between a private individual/collective & DJ before any NIL money is offered to a potential recruit. Because even though the player may be elite, DJ may not want or need him because in his research he found that the player has issues, isn't a team player, or due to roster limitations, etc.

 

 

 

[90siouxfan]

Does the athlete have to report NIL activity to the school?

[Cratter]

1 hour ago, .357 said:

Agreed, but there has to be some communication between a private individual/collective & DJ before any NIL money is offered to a potential recruit.

Exactly. The "theory" and the "practice" are not aligned. We saw a former UND player transfer and he somehow knows his exact dollar amount already?! 

How did that happen? Joe Blow from across the country just really liked the kid and thought he could help out his brand?! Lol. You're living in a dream world. NIL is a type of blue ribbon commission that runs parallel to university.

The kids are bought and paid for. And when you sit down to offer a kid a scholarship, he'll tell you exactly how much the other schools/collective offered him. And if you'd like to match it.

Dane Jackson is the middleman between any collective and the recruit. 

There's a baseline salary for everyone: Alston, sales of names on jerseys, and a share of donation pot.....Imo try and share that pot pretty evenly.

And of course everyone knows they can go out and get their own NIL money anytime anywhere. That sorta goes without saying. That would spark curiosity not controversy amongst players. "How'd you do that? Maybe I should try that."

[Cratter]

4 hours ago, cberkas said:

Heard the same at Denver

I asked my bff,

 

[Cratter]

Take the "zero NIL" with a grain of salt.

Put your name on, and run a hockey camp in the summer = $$$

Or any of the other 1000 ways....speeches...like former president's can be big money makers too.

[nascar99]

22 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Take the "zero NIL" with a grain of salt.

Put your name on, and run a hockey camp in the summer = $$$

Or any of the other 1000 ways....speeches...like former president's can be big money makers too.

Under the table payments probably still happen too. Not sure how often it would happen in hockey but it most certainly is still the case in football

[tnt]

43 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Take the "zero NIL" with a grain of salt.

Put your name on, and run a hockey camp in the summer = $$$

Or any of the other 1000 ways....speeches...like former president's can be big money makers too.

   Kind of reminds me of all the environmental regulation statements that companies require you to have when you supply them product.  Really nothing but fluff, but the optics make them look better or feel better about themselves.  A lot of extra work for a statement that holds very little weight.

[Cratter]

1 hour ago, tnt said:

   Kind of reminds me of all the environmental regulation statements that companies require you to have when you supply them product.  Really nothing but fluff, but the optics make them look better or feel better about themselves.  A lot of extra work for a statement that holds very little weight.

Dirty little secret....big companies love regulations...even pushing for them!

Increases the barriers of entry for new players/competition.

[Cratter]