SIOUXELEVENS Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 22 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Entire time coaching or just recent results? If you are going to hinge a coach's employability on the decision making of one or two college age kids, then it is going to be tough to actually take opinions offered seriously. Your right the coach has nothing to do with player retention at this level. just his coaching or lack of for the last 9 years.
Big Green Posted March 19 Posted March 19 We are going to have a hard time keeping up with the Big Ten Teams when it comes to NIL money. We need to be the place you go if you want to be a Professional Hockey player. We can do that with the right Coaching staff.
.357 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Big Green said: We are going to have a hard time keeping up with the Big Ten Teams when it comes to NIL money. We need to be the place you go if you want to be a Professional Hockey player. We can do that with the right Coaching staff. NIL became official in the summer of 2021, almost 4 years ago. If NIL is so important to be successful at the D1 level, how come no B10 team has won a title yet?
Blackheart Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, .357 said: NIL became official in the summer of 2021, almost 4 years ago. If NIL is so important to be successful at the D1 level, how come no B10 team has won a title yet? Because they are spending all their money on football and hoops? 3
Big Green Posted March 19 Posted March 19 27 minutes ago, .357 said: NIL became official in the summer of 2021, almost 4 years ago. If NIL is so important to be successful at the D1 level, how come no B10 team has won a title yet? While I enjoy the fact that the Big10 has not won a title the fact is they are going to get 4or5 of the 7 teams in there conference into the NCAA Tournament. It is only a matter of time before they win a title. As far as NIL being around for 4 years, I do think it as take a while for colleges to figure out exactly what they can and can't do.
jdub27 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, SIOUXELEVENS said: Your right the coach has nothing to do with player retention at this level. just his coaching or lack of for the last 9 years. Not at all what I said. It has a lot to do with it. But if you're going to hinge the decision on one or two kids, you're fighting a losing battle. A mass exodus is completely different than "losing anyone of significance". If you're going to fault a kid for chasing a bag he can't get here, probably time to look around the stands and in the mirror to figure out why the 1883 collective doesn't have more funds for hockey. While there has been some results below anyone's expectations the last 9 years (weird how you conveniently omit the first year in your "analysis") it is pretty amazing he managed to win the NCHC 4 of the last 6 years and coach of the year 3x during that time frame with his "lack of coaching". This isn't even a "defend Brad Berry" post. This is pointing out the levels that some people feel the need to go to, rewriting history and ignoring plenty of the positives that have occurred in the last decade. There's plenty of legitimate things to take issue while still acknowledging that good things have happened as well. 2
.357 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 28 minutes ago, Blackheart said: Because they are spending all their money on football and hoops? Exactly, everyone's getting their panties in a bunch over schools like MI, OSU, MSU, PSU & Notre Dame getting more elite players via NIL, when their truly big donors probably don't even give a rat's ass about their hockey programs. Those schools worship at the altars of fb & bb; whereas hockey is a marquee sport at UND. 2
Goon Posted March 19 Posted March 19 32 minutes ago, .357 said: Exactly, everyone's getting their panties in a bunch over schools like MI, OSU, MSU, PSU & Notre Dame getting more elite players via NIL, when their truly big donors probably don't even give a rat's ass about their hockey programs. Those schools worship at the altars of fb & bb; whereas hockey is a marquee sport at UND. I am going to agree with his statement. In a lot of Big Ten Schools that have college hockey, football and basketball reign supreme, except maybe for Minnesota. The Gophers are God awful in Football and Basketball.
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 19 Posted March 19 46 minutes ago, Big Green said: While I enjoy the fact that the Big10 has not won a title the fact is they are going to get 4or5 of the 7 teams in there conference into the NCAA Tournament. It is only a matter of time before they win a title. As far as NIL being around for 4 years, I do think it as take a while for colleges to figure out exactly what they can and can't do. You'd think just based on pure odds and all conferences being equal(they aren't) they should have won 1 or 2 by now. So it's impressive they have 0. 2
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, jdub27 said: Not at all what I said. It has a lot to do with it. But if you're going to hinge the decision on one or two kids, you're fighting a losing battle. A mass exodus is completely different than "losing anyone of significance". If you're going to fault a kid for chasing a bag he can't get here, probably time to look around the stands and in the mirror to figure out why the 1883 collective doesn't have more funds for hockey. While there has been some results below anyone's expectations the last 9 years (weird how you conveniently omit the first year in your "analysis") it is pretty amazing he managed to win the NCHC 4 of the last 6 years and coach of the year 3x during that time frame with his "lack of coaching". This isn't even a "defend Brad Berry" post. This is pointing out the levels that some people feel the need to go to, rewriting history and ignoring plenty of the positives that have occurred in the last decade. There's plenty of legitimate things to take issue while still acknowledging that good things have happened as well.
Popular Post UND1983 Posted March 19 Popular Post Posted March 19 Let me write history - he won the national championship his first year with another guy's players. Then, he proceeded to win ONE NCAA tournament game in eight seasons (over something called American International) 7
Oxbow6 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 At the end of the day missing 4 of the last 6 NCAA tournaments (if this coming weekend isn't a success) doesn't scream positives. What have you done lately. 1
yzerman19 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Big10: Great Facilities and Support, Huge alumni network, very well regarded degrees, excellent lifestyle with huge hoops and bball too. NIL $$$....no brainer
Popular Post brianvf Posted March 19 Popular Post Posted March 19 12 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: At the end of the day missing 4 of the last 6 NCAA tournaments (if this coming weekend isn't a success) doesn't scream positives. What have you done lately. I think if anything, all the missed NCAA tourneys is enough to move on to another coach. I'll give Berry kudos on that title in his first year...he was an assistant under Hakstol the years prior to the 16 title, so you know he was involved in recruiting all those guys. I know a lot of posters say that he won with another coaches players...I won't go that far. That said...that team was talented enough that they probably still could have won with me, Wilbur, and Oxbow as the coaching staff. But the lack of success the last few years has been increasingly frustrating. A program like UND missing the NCAA tourney should happen at most once every decade during a rebuilding year or something. And then all these one-n-done's if they do make it. Even if UND manages to win both games this weekend to snag a NCAA tourney spot, I would be disappointed if this coaching staff has their contracts extended. 6
Blackheart Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: You'd think just based on pure odds and all conferences being equal(they aren't) they should have won 1 or 2 by now. So it's impressive they have 0. 2
HockeyHawk Posted March 19 Posted March 19 41 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: At the end of the day missing 4 of the last 6 NCAA tournaments (if this coming weekend isn't a success) doesn't scream positives. What have you done lately. Right now the only reasons to come play hockey at UND are the best arena in the nation along with the attendances, and the great locker room and weight room. It’s not to because you’re competing for a Natty.
SIOUXELEVENS Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 I wonder if any of Western or Denver’s players get NIL money ? Or ASU. if player X gets 100,000 does that cause problems with players who don’t get any ? Quite a minefield to navigate. 2
brianvf Posted March 19 Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said: if player X gets 100,000 does that cause problems with players who don’t get any ? Quite a minefield to navigate. I know who's paying for dinners if that's the case. 1
.357 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 3 hours ago, Big Green said: While I enjoy the fact that the Big10 has not won a title the fact is they are going to get 4or5 of the 7 teams in there conference into the NCAA Tournament. It is only a matter of time before they win a title. As far as NIL being around for 4 years, I do think it as take a while for colleges to figure out exactly what they can and can't do. The teams that are doing well this year in that conference has less to do with talent via NIL money, & more about having good recruiting classes & developing their talent when they get to campus. I remember last year when the B10 was pretty much dominating the NCHC in the regionals, some here lamented that the B10 was starting to surpass the NCHC. Agreed that the B10 is bound to win a title eventually, it's almost a given, but sports are cyclical & the NCHC isn't going anywhere in terms of relevance. The NCHC will be back. 1 1
cberkas Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, SIOUXELEVENS said: I wonder if any of Western or Denver’s players get NIL money ? Or ASU. if player X gets 100,000 does that cause problems with players who don’t get any ? Quite a minefield to navigate. I've heard Denver doesn't Arizona State talks about the Sun Angel Collective all the time games, social media, their game day app, coaches, etc.... So, I'd assume they get something Western Michigan during their games last week were playing ads for NIL
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 okay, lets be real...Guys dont "develop" in college. They refine skills, work on details, and build their bodies. IQ, skating, fundamentals are already cast.
yzerman19 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 the most successful pro ever out of ND played 2 years and in that time built his body and refined his 200 foot game to unbelievable detail. Johnny Toews. 2
Oxbow6 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 If I was a current college D1 hockey player/prospect I don't think I could not give ASU a solid look. ASU is a great campus. Mullett is a good college rink. The weather is terrific. Golf courses aplenty. Rocket coeds absolutely everywhere. I might even pay into the NIL to play there. 1
Oxbow6 Posted March 20 Posted March 20 6 minutes ago, yzerman19 said: okay, lets be real...Guys dont "develop" in college. They refine skills, work on details, and build their bodies. IQ, skating, fundamentals are already cast. What about passing?
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