AJS Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 1/27/2025 at 7:18 PM, The Sicatoka said: Every school's situtation is different. I don't know the best path for UND on this one; so many scenarios and moving parts. Expand Very fair, we all know the perception of those that do and those that don’t. Seems like most of the top Big Sky are. Quote
jdub27 Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 1/27/2025 at 7:18 PM, The Sicatoka said: Every school's situtation is different. I don't know the best path for UND on this one; so many scenarios and moving parts. Expand At least a few of UND's rosters would require some trimming if they choose to opt-in. Quote
AJS Posted January 27 Posted January 27 On 1/27/2025 at 10:43 PM, jdub27 said: At least a few of UND's rosters would require some trimming if they choose to opt-in. Expand Isn’t that going to be the case for 100% of the schools that opt-in? Quote
AJS Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 4:10 PM, cberkas said: Expand Very interesting. @The Sicatoka what are you thinking here? Could this put enough weight on the scale for UND to end up opting in? Would seem to be quite the disadvantage if the majority of schools increase their scholarships to 26 and UND is stuck at 18. 1 Quote
jdub27 Posted February 13 Posted February 13 On 2/13/2025 at 4:44 PM, AJS said: Very interesting. @The Sicatoka what are you thinking here? Could this put enough weight on the scale for UND to end up opting in? Would seem to be quite the disadvantage if the majority of schools increase their scholarships to 26 and UND is stuck at 18. Expand UND can offer a lot of other things to help offset that difference until the actual rules are figured out (Alston, FCOA, NIL). No one knows what the actual rules are going to look like until mid-April when the final ruling comes down. Opt-in day is March 1 for the coming year. Guessing most schools will wait to see what the ruling states and then look at how to proceed next year, since an opt-in or opt-out is a yearly decision for non-P4 schools. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 14 Author Posted February 14 On 2/13/2025 at 4:44 PM, AJS said: Very interesting. @The Sicatoka what are you thinking here? Could this put enough weight on the scale for UND to end up opting in? Would seem to be quite the disadvantage if the majority of schools increase their scholarships to 26 and UND is stuck at 18. Expand UND is not multidivisional so this does not apply. It does apply to SCSU, UMD, et al. Quote
AJS Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 3:53 PM, The Sicatoka said: UND is not multidivisional so this does not apply. It does apply to SCSU, UMD, et al. Expand Right, more implying if everyone else is doing it, would be odd for UND not to. Quote
AJS Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/13/2025 at 9:03 PM, jdub27 said: UND can offer a lot of other things to help offset that difference until the actual rules are figured out (Alston, FCOA, NIL). No one knows what the actual rules are going to look like until mid-April when the final ruling comes down. Opt-in day is March 1 for the coming year. Guessing most schools will wait to see what the ruling states and then look at how to proceed next year, since an opt-in or opt-out is a yearly decision for non-P4 schools. Expand All CAA schools opting in. Montana / Montana State / Sac State, opted in. SIU leaning towards opting in. Missing a ton of schools, but really, appears that NDSU is the only one opting out at this time. Could change and I don't know the status of like 95% of schools. So much of it is optics, but what a curve ball Chaves could throw if UND opts in. NDSU would absolutely be scrambling. Perception matters. Opting out = Small time. 1 Quote
nodak651 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 4:15 PM, AJS said: All CAA schools opting in. Montana / Montana State / Sac State, opted in. SIU leaning towards opting in. Missing a ton of schools, but really, appears that NDSU is the only one opting out at this time. Could change and I don't know the status of like 95% of schools. So much of it is optics, but what a curve ball Chaves could throw if UND opts in. NDSU would absolutely be scrambling. Perception matters. Opting out = Small time. Expand I don't necessarily agree. Schools that choose to opt in but don't already offer FCOA and Alston money aren't going to fool any recruits when the money for NIL doesn't magically appear out of nowhere. Would love to know the NIL budget for some of the schools that claim they're opting in. In regard to NDSU, they have nearly 130 guys on their roster and they are known for developing talent, and walkons routinely become impact players. That has been one of UND's biggest issues during the Bubba tenure, IMO, because we normally only have about 105-110. That's a huge disadvantage for us when it comes to depth at the end of the season. NDSU would need to completely change how they run their program if they were forced to trim the roster down to 105, imo, and I'm not certain they would be guaranteed to benefit if they did decide to opt in, because they can still pay FCOA, Alston, and they still have the collective as well. Quote
jdub27 Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 5:44 PM, nodak651 said: I don't necessarily agree. Schools that choose to opt in but don't already offer FCOA and Alston money aren't going to fool any recruits when the money for NIL doesn't magically appear out of nowhere. Would love to know the NIL budget for some of the schools that claim they're opting in. In regard to NDSU, they have nearly 130 guys on their roster and they are known for developing talent, and walkons routinely become impact players. That has been one of UND's biggest issues during the Bubba tenure, IMO, because we normally only have about 105-110. That's a huge disadvantage for us when it comes to depth at the end of the season. NDSU would need to completely change how they run their program if they were forced to trim the roster down to 105, imo, and I'm not certain they would be guaranteed to benefit if they did decide to opt in, because they can still pay FCOA, Alston, and they still have the collective as well. Expand A lot of this. Schools at UND's level aren't going to have "revenue" to share. So that is a moot talking point. At this point, it doesn't sound like any of the Dakotas are looking at opting in at this point, at least in year 1. Probably the smart decision because the rules on what the settlement looks like (aka - what you are choosing to opt in to) won't be known until mid-April. Not sure the thought process for the other FCS schools. But again, one year isn't going to set anyone too far back, especially when no one knows what they are opting in to. UND would also have to trim some other sports rosters and I'm not sure how that would trickle down and have any possible effects on Title IX compliance. 1 Quote
nodakvindy Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/14/2025 at 4:15 PM, AJS said: All CAA schools opting in. Montana / Montana State / Sac State, opted in. SIU leaning towards opting in. Missing a ton of schools, but really, appears that NDSU is the only one opting out at this time. Could change and I don't know the status of like 95% of schools. So much of it is optics, but what a curve ball Chaves could throw if UND opts in. NDSU would absolutely be scrambling. Perception matters. Opting out = Small time. Expand UND should be focused on doing what is right for UND. Prospective student athletes won't be checking on whether a school has opted in or out, they will be focused on the individual offer that they can get. If opting in allows UND to offer the most compelling package great, if opting out does, then do that. Just following other schools is a loser mentality, and it's one of the things that has put the athletic department where it is now. 4 Quote
AJS Posted February 14 Posted February 14 So, why are non-P4 schools opting in? There has to be some sort of advantage. Not really worth the discussion, Chaves will follow whatever NDSU does, which very well could be the right call. Here's my point. Let's pretend these non-P4 schools that are opting in, are doing it for a reason. @nodak651 very accurately laid out why NDSU would not want to. It would be exciting to see Chaves go against the grain a bit here. Forcing NDSU's hand would be a bonus. Quote
nodak651 Posted February 15 Posted February 15 On 2/14/2025 at 9:44 PM, AJS said: So, why are non-P4 schools opting in? There has to be some sort of advantage. Not really worth the discussion, Chaves will follow whatever NDSU does, which very well could be the right call. Here's my point. Let's pretend these non-P4 schools that are opting in, are doing it for a reason. @nodak651 very accurately laid out why NDSU would not want to. It would be exciting to see Chaves go against the grain a bit here. Forcing NDSU's hand would be a bonus. Expand I think Chaves is capable of making a decision irrispective of NDSU's choice. Remember - he did get Alston started up before NDSU or anyone else in the MVFC was in a position to do so. I assume UND's choice will largly be dependent on hockey, given that they are expected to compete and win vs the Big Ten and Bo$ton Hockey East schools, and FCS programs dont really have THAT kind of money. It will be interesting to see how Big Ten programs allocate money as well - will schools like Ohio State or Notre Dame save anything at all for hockey? Maybe a percent or two? What about the rodents? Only 1% would still equate to about 220k. If UND ends up opting in, perhaps UND will be able to garner the necessary money by working with the REA to create a new revenue stream for it, or perhaps they tweak the usage agreement and distribute more income. Guessing they would be on board because that would be in their (REA's) best interest, if Chaves decides opting in is necessary. 2 1 Quote
Hawkster Posted February 15 Posted February 15 trump administration has changed the classification again on college athletes and they are no longer considered employees like they were under a Biden administration directive. Definitely a step backwards for some people. So, are college athletes now considered slaves or just indentured servants? https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-administration-rescinds-nlrb-memorandum-213349022.html 1 Quote
F'n Hawks Posted February 20 Posted February 20 https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-opts-out-of-house-settlement-for-year-1 UND announced they will opt out Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 5:07 PM, F'n Hawks said: https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-hockey/und-opts-out-of-house-settlement-for-year-1 UND announced they will opt out Expand So the P4 schools cannot opt out, but everyone below them can? Is that correct? Quote
cberkas Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 6:46 PM, fightingsioux4life said: So the P4 schools cannot opt out, but everyone below them can? Is that correct? Expand Yes Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Penn State, BC, and Arizona State have to opt-in 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 6:58 PM, cberkas said: Yes Minnesota, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Penn State, BC, and Arizona State have to opt-in Expand Okay thanks. Quote
FSSD Posted February 20 Posted February 20 And it puts UND, DU, StT, Omaha, W. Mich, and Miami .... Bowling Green, Ivy's, Holy Cross etc all in a bind. And UMD, SCSU, CC, Min St, Augie and others are in a better position to complete. If I'm Augie - opt in make a splash. Quote
Goon Posted February 20 Posted February 20 This caught my eye. Quote "The NCAA proclaims student-athletes will receive 'extra benefits' if a university 'opts in,'" Chaves said. "This may be the case for some, but in the aggregate and if you consider the roster limits for all sports, this settlement might actually harm sports and student-athlete participation at UND as well as other student-athletes around the country. Further, if one asks the right questions, you may actually discover that schools such as UND might be supporting student-athletes in a greater way financially than some 'opt-in' schools." Expand Quote
nodakvindy Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 7:47 PM, FSSD said: And it puts UND, DU, StT, Omaha, W. Mich, and Miami .... Bowling Green, Ivy's, Holy Cross etc all in a bind. And UMD, SCSU, CC, Min St, Augie and others are in a better position to complete. If I'm Augie - opt in make a splash. Expand To be fair, those schools actually have to have the revenue to fund this. Have no idea if they would or not. The three Minnesota schools would almost certainly also have to treat their women's teams the same. CC likewise with women's soccer. I guess Augie could be a wildcard, but I'm not sure how big a deal it is to give a ton of scholarships when you can still only dress 21 max a game. Feels like much ado about nothing. Quote
FSSD Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 7:59 PM, nodakvindy said: To be fair, those schools actually have to have the revenue to fund this. Have no idea if they would or not. The three Minnesota schools would almost certainly also have to treat their women's teams the same. CC likewise with women's soccer. I guess Augie could be a wildcard, but I'm not sure how big a deal it is to give a ton of scholarships when you can still only dress 21 max a game. Feels like much ado about nothing. Expand When you say fund this, I take it as you need the scholarship dollars because there is limited revenue to actually share for smaller programs. Quote
nodakvindy Posted February 20 Posted February 20 On 2/20/2025 at 8:13 PM, FSSD said: When you say fund this, I take it as you need the scholarship dollars because there is limited revenue to actually share for smaller programs. Expand Bingo. Minnesota, Michigan etc are flush with TV money and even for them that will likely go to football, hoops and maybe a little to baseball and hockey. That isn't the case with Duluth, Mankato and St. Cloud. You can't spend money that isn't there. Quote
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