Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, stoneySIOUX said: I understand where this is coming from, but you're arguing two different points. You're upset about UND's current pipeline vs. UND adding a player that directly fits a need based on the available portal players. This is a really smart add right now. I don't disagree that it might be a smart add right now...it most certainly is. My problem with it, especially when you go back and read my initial comment that you quoted, is that Berry's management of the roster via recruiting and the portal has led to a fifth year season from Lindenwood being a "good pickup". Name another program at our [theoretical] level pulling similar kids from similar schools and competing in Frozen Fours. Is Michigan or Minnesota or Denver using Lindenwood band aids for their programs? Maybe they are and I'm unaware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldguy Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Johannes is a bruiser that also scored 29 points in 28 games, and he's a guy that has always wanted to be at UND. Can't fault bringing in a guy like that. Now, how about a defenseman? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: My bad. I made two typos. I shouldn't have come at ya. I'm just annoyed with the constant berating of this program. This move was a smart move. I've really liked our additions and many of our subtractions, for that matter. We're on a forum, I take nothing personal. If I did, I'd have left a long time ago! If someone isn't berating the program, then our program becomes stale and stagnant and doesn't live up to its assumed potential. I'm tired of sunshine and roses only because of Berry won a title 7 years ago. That was epic. But, elite programs typically don't put up with what our beloved UND hockey program is going through at the moment without a change in leadership. Our rivals have far surpassed us in a short amount of time and our future is pretty grim at the moment. It is what it is....I still LOVE my Sioux, but I want what's best for the program. Edit: For the record, I'm not berating the program. UND as a whole should be an amazing hockey school and more often than not, it is. I'm berating head coach Brad Berry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Big A HG said: Of course small schools can have good players, but his one season with Lindenwood was a statistical anomaly compared to the rest of the kid's career so far. I certainly hope he does well and can carry over his success from Lindenwood, but we're UND...trying to compete with the likes of Duluth, Denver, Minnesota, Michigan, etc on a national stage. There's a reason this kid was at AIC and Lindenwood and there's no reason we have such a poor roster accounting problem from those in charge that we have to bring in talent from low-end schools to band-aid some major recruiting problems. Why are so few top talent kids suddenly refusing to come here? Are they even recruited? Why are so many others that do commit transferring away from a program like UND? What's going on here? Why am I the bad guy for pointing out some obvious issues? College athletics are almost entirely about recruiting no matter what sport, and UND is in major decline in that department, especially considering the resources UND offers. No, I share many of the same frustrations. But who knows what some of these new kids will bring. Maybe they come in and a few of them end up being game changing players. I'd definitely like to see more consistency in recruiting and certainly in our on ice production. Tough to deal with missing the tournament a few times now after consistently making it for so many year and also having so many Frozen 4 appearances. The Hak years were definitely a fun time to be a fan given the players we were watching and the success we had. Would also be great to get back to some good goaltending. Seemed like we had an endless string of good goalies for about 15 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big A HG said: I don't disagree that it might be a smart add right now...it most certainly is. My problem with it, especially when you go back and read my initial comment that you quoted, is that Berry's management of the roster via recruiting and the portal has led to a fifth year season from Lindenwood being a "good pickup". Name another program at our [theoretical] level pulling similar kids from similar schools and competing in Frozen Fours. Is Michigan or Minnesota or Denver using Lindenwood band aids for their programs? Maybe they are and I'm unaware. If this wasn't just a drop-in replacement for Caulfield (but with some edge) I'd be concerned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mhockey Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big A HG said: Name another program at our [theoretical] level pulling similar kids from similar schools and competing in Frozen Fours. Is Michigan or Minnesota or Denver using Lindenwood band aids for their programs? Maybe they are and I'm unaware. Quinnipiac did alright this year after adding a portal player from LSS and I don't consider LSS a great program. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, siouxfan512 said: No, I share many of the same frustrations. But who knows what some of these new kids will bring. Maybe they come in and a few of them end up being game changing players. I'd definitely like to see more consistency in recruiting and certainly in our on ice production. Tough to deal with missing the tournament a few times now after consistently making it for so many year and also having so many Frozen 4 appearances. The Hak years were definitely a fun time to be a fan given the players we were watching and the success we had. Would also be great to get back to some good goaltending. Seemed like we had an endless string of good goalies for about 15 years. I agree, but you have to play the odds with your roster. Literally anyone could be a great player by that metric, they just need a chance. Well, sure I guess. But, how many great players were found with blind luck and how many were clearly destined to be great because they were recruited by a number of elite programs, NHL teams are interested in them, etc. When you have a number of great options that are willing to come to UND, you can then be a bit selective when it comes to style and culture or whatever cliche or buzzword you want to use. But, our elite talent options seem very limited lately and now many of the kids we do have don't even want to stay. Where there's smoke there's usually fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Big A HG said: We're on a forum, I take nothing personal. If I did, I'd have left a long time ago! If someone isn't berating the program, then our program becomes stale and stagnant and doesn't live up to its assumed potential. I'm tired of sunshine and roses only because of Berry won a title 7 years ago. That was epic. But, elite programs typically don't put up with what our beloved UND hockey program is going through at the moment without a change in leadership. Our rivals have far surpassed us in a short amount of time and our future is pretty grim at the moment. It is what it is....I still LOVE my Sioux, but I want what's best for the program. Edit: For the record, I'm not berating the program. UND as a whole should be an amazing hockey school and more often than not, it is. I'm berating head coach Brad Berry. I understand your thought. I'm doing everything in my power to focus on moving forward and I like the move. I really, really liked Johannes' game against LU last year. He had a solid year last year for a bad, but hard-nosed team. He's a really solid fit for next year's team and looks like Judd, but meaner. The 23-24 needs that kind of player on the bottom 6, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mhockey said: Quinnipiac did alright this year after adding a portal player from LSS and I don't consider LSS a great program. Quinnipiac had something like three total transfers. One was a sophomore this year and he was the only player in the top 11 in scoring that was a transfer portal kid. They also had one fourth year senior and your LSSU guy was a third line defensemen. Nordqvist, the kid from LSSU, was arguably LSSU's best defenseman, LSSU being a better program than Lindenwood, and was only a third line defenseman for Quinnipiac. I'm not saying you can't have transfer portal kids, totally wrong. You need to use the portal to your advantage, but it should be a means of the rich getting richer instead of band-aiding a roster where 3/4 of the team up and left or graduated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 33 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Someone reach out to Alex Heinert and Midco and have them replay the Lindenwood games to we can scout what we're getting. Same for the Omaha games (Berg). With the college winter sports seasons over, Midco has already been playing replays for quite a while now. Just watch the schedule and these games will show up eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Kind of not excited to see 11 13 27 be slotted into BB's top 6 next season...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Big A HG said: Our rivals have far surpassed us in a short amount of time and our future is pretty grim at the moment. Over the next 20 years, taking the average finish in the pairwise as a metric, how many programs will have a better result than UND? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Kind of not excited to see 11 13 27 be slotted into BB's top 6 next season...... If he does that with all the other options, well ... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Oldguy said: Johannes is a bruiser that also scored 29 points in 28 games, and he's a guy that has always wanted to be at UND. Can't fault bringing in a guy like that. Now, how about a defenseman? There are lots of kids out there that have always wanted to play at UND, doesn't mean they should. This feels like when you went to a store like Walmart and Target and they have those big bins of DVDs and all the good ones are gone and you just grab a mediocre one for the sake of grabbing one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, siouxweet said: There are lots of kids out there that have always wanted to play at UND, doesn't mean they should. This feels like when you went to a store like Walmart and Target and they have those big bins of DVDs and all the good ones are gone and you just grab a mediocre one for the sake of grabbing one. His game was noticeable last year against LU and he had a really good season. He's not a top line winger, and if you're expecting to have UND fill that spot in the portal, you're sadly mistaken. He's filling an immediate hole left by Judd. Again, this feels like two different conversations. Yes, it makes sense that UND shouldn't be dipping this hard into the portal. However, this is a great pick up for the immediate needs of the team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustnyou Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said: Over the next 20 years, taking the average finish in the pairwise as a metric, how many programs will have a better result than UND? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 37 minutes ago, Big A HG said: If someone isn't berating the program, then our program becomes stale and stagnant and doesn't live up to its assumed potential. This made me chuckle a little bit. Won't argue that a passionate fan base is (mostly) a positive for a program but if you think that that program will go stale if people don't complain on a message board and social media, well, I just disagree. I can assure you the people in, behind and running the program live and die more with the wins and losses than pretty much everyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, jdub27 said: This made me chuckle a little bit. Won't argue that a passionate fan base is (mostly) a positive for a program but if you think that that program will go stale if people don't complain on a message board and social media, well, I just disagree. I can assure you the people in, behind and running the program live and die more with the wins and losses than pretty much everyone else. Likewise, If you don't want a relationship to be stale and stagnant, the best course of action, and practice largely accepted by the experts, is to berate the other party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Banner Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, MoSiouxFan said: Not that crazy about all the major penalties and game misconducts, though. Well with Kleven gone, we needed someone to fill that void 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, jdub27 said: This made me chuckle a little bit. Won't argue that a passionate fan base is (mostly) a positive for a program but if you think that that program will go stale if people don't complain on a message board and social media, well, I just disagree. I can assure you the people in, behind and running the program live and die more with the wins and losses than pretty much everyone else. I had an earlier edit before you quoted me that clarified I was not berating the program. Not sure why you didn't include it. The program encompasses more than just one person, and as a whole, I don't think UND is failing to live up to expectations. I just think the head coach is. I'm not sitting here saying that Brad Berry doesn't want to win. They all want to win. Not sure what you mean by people living and dying more with the wins and losses that everyone else. No one has died, figuratively or literally, in the Brad Berry era except Matt Shaw (which was a good departure). Coaches get hired and fired all the time. Dane preceded Berry and I think Karl fits his role well, but our head coach has been caught flat-footed during the new era of transfer portal and NIL and has failed to have a steady pipeline of good recruits coming in. That's why we're in this predicament. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted April 10, 2023 Author Share Posted April 10, 2023 Today's portal entrants: Michigan F Eric Ciccolini (NYR) Michigan F Nick Granowicz Michigan D Keaton Pehrson BU F Brian Carrabes Michigan loses three to the portal, including a drafted forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxForever Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Big A HG said: Quinnipiac had something like three total transfers. One was a sophomore this year and he was the only player in the top 11 in scoring that was a transfer portal kid. They also had one fourth year senior and your LSSU guy was a third line defensemen. Nordqvist, the kid from LSSU, was arguably LSSU's best defenseman, LSSU being a better program than Lindenwood, and was only a third line defenseman for Quinnipiac. I'm not saying you can't have transfer portal kids, totally wrong. You need to use the portal to your advantage, but it should be a means of the rich getting richer instead of band-aiding a roster where 3/4 of the team up and left or graduated. Don't forget this guy- https://www.collegehockeynews.com/players/career/Ty-Smilanic/56765 was forced off/or something happened to transfer out of Quinnipiac and went and played @ Wisconsin this year... 2020, Round 3 (No. 74 overall) by FLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, brianvf said: Today's portal entrants: Michigan F Eric Ciccolini (NYR) ... Michigan loses three to the portal, including a drafted forward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, brianvf said: Today's portal entrants: Michigan F Eric Ciccolini (NYR) Michigan F Nick Granowicz Michigan D Keaton Pehrson BU F Brian Carrabes Michigan loses three to the portal, including a drafted forward. That’s because they’re basically done unless they want to be 4th line or in and out of the lineup. Mich is reloading next year. edit- actually michigans 23-24 incoming class is fairly light by their standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxweet Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, scpa0305 said: That’s because they’re basically done unless they want to be 4th line or in and out of the lineup. Mich is reloading next year. Michigan reloads and UND goes shopping in the clearance isle at Family Dollar. Sounds about right where the programs are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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