Coach Sather Poll

[dmksioux]

17 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Like Bruns, Ihenacho and Ndoukou?

I am not as concerned about recruiting the talent as I am about retaining it. That's the piece that needs to be figured out. 

Is Ndoukou playing DI somewhere else?  Do we know if he was "DI talent?"

[ibleedgreen]

4 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

When did anyone say that this is going to decide what will actually happen??? This was a poll to see how some of the programs biggest fans actually feel. You know... the point of a public forum....

Must be someone's first day on the internet...

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

That is the most self-contradicting thing I believe you've ever written, because the last thing I think of when I think "Randall Herbst" is spotlight personality. 

Completely agree.  I may have my opinions, but I'm open minded.  Herbst has put in the time and is deserving of an opportunity.  If he can take advantage of that opportunity and show that he's a difference maker, great!  If the decision has already been made and the plan is for UND to move on at the end of the season, the only real difference is that Herbst would be denied an opportunity (if Chaves waits), and it's not like he isn't qualified - he was Chaves finalist to this exact job.  

[iramurphy]

4 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

When did anyone say that this is going to decide what will actually happen??? This was a poll to see how some of the programs biggest fans actually feel. You know... the point of a public forum....

Read earlier posts: “ a sharp vote of no confidence from the most active fans of the program looks a lot like a referendum on coach Sather and that should carry some weight with the brass”.  That is the post I initially responded to. 

[SD UND]

8 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Read earlier posts: “ a sharp vote of no confidence from the most active fans of the program looks a lot like a referendum on coach Sather and that should carry some weight with the brass”.  That is the post I initially responded to. 

You can't rationalize with HoopsFan, Ira....

[UND-SPORTS-FAN]

4 minutes ago, SD UND said:

You can't rationalize with HoopsFan, Ira....

 Some might say the same about you SD UND, when I mean some i mean everyone except Ira who can't take sarcasm either

[sioux24/7]

40 minutes ago, dmksioux said:

Is Ndoukou playing DI somewhere else?  Do we know if he was "DI talent?"

 

[SD UND]

1 minute ago, UND-SPORTS-FAN said:

 Some might say the same about you SD UND, when I mean some i mean everyone except Ira who can't take sarcasm either

I can rationalize with rational people... people like Hoops and GoodGood aren't rational... so there's a wedge there.

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, NewUndFan said:

If I had that much control I certainly would.  The poll was done in fun to see how the forum would like to see the coaching situation play out.  No one thinks that it is going to affect how the A.D. handles the situation.   Also when someone posted earlier that we should call the A.D. home phone you jumped right in how that is not a good idea when clearly the person making the comment was joking.   Hence why you = KAREN 

That is why you aren’t in control. You aren’t experienced enough nor capable of being in “control”.  I assume that means you won’t be forking over your $50,000 share of the buyout.
You equated me with a term used to describe white women who use their so called “white privilege” to get what they want. You say it is because I felt an administrator’s home phone is off limits. You can do that because you can hide on a public forum and get away with it. I would give big odds that you have no idea what it is like to have meals interrupted either home with family or in public. I doubt you have any idea you no what it is like to have family time interrupted either at home or in public because some moronic fan whose life revolves around a sports team wants an autograph, photo or to give you an opinion. You seem to fit the bill, but I have no idea if you are an expert like or some poor misunderstood soul who was the 12th man on his 9th grade BB team and pines away for those days. Of course the guy who posted the comment about Chaves home number was “kidding”.  Easy to say that but there was no indication he was kidding. 

[NewUndFan]

2 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

That is why you aren’t in control. You aren’t experienced enough nor capable of being in “control”.  I assume that means you won’t be forking over your $50,000 share of the buyout.
You equated me with a term used to describe white women who use their so called “white privilege” to get what they want. You say it is because I felt an administrator’s home phone is off limits. You can do that because you can hide on a public forum and get away with it. I would give big odds that you have no idea what it is like to have meals interrupted either home with family or in public. I doubt you have any idea you no what it is like to have family time interrupted either at home or in public because some moronic fan whose life revolves around a sports team wants an autograph, photo or to give you an opinion. You seem to fit the bill, but I have no idea if you are an expert like or some poor misunderstood soul who was the 12th man on his 9th grade BB team and pines away for those days. Of course the guy who posted the comment about Chaves home number was “kidding”.  Easy to say that but there was no indication he was kidding. 

You were the only one who thought he was serious = Karen .  So I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I agree to buy out the coach huh ? You are obviously blind and have no sense for basketball if you think our program is going in the right direction. 

[GoodGood]

2 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

That is why you aren’t in control. You aren’t experienced enough nor capable of being in “control”.  I assume that means you won’t be forking over your $50,000 share of the buyout.
You equated me with a term used to describe white women who use their so called “white privilege” to get what they want. You say it is because I felt an administrator’s home phone is off limits. You can do that because you can hide on a public forum and get away with it. I would give big odds that you have no idea what it is like to have meals interrupted either home with family or in public. I doubt you have any idea you no what it is like to have family time interrupted either at home or in public because some moronic fan whose life revolves around a sports team wants an autograph, photo or to give you an opinion. You seem to fit the bill, but I have no idea if you are an expert like or some poor misunderstood soul who was the 12th man on his 9th grade BB team and pines away for those days. Of course the guy who posted the comment about Chaves home number was “kidding”.  Easy to say that but there was no indication he was kidding. 

Because a lot of people seem to forget this: THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM WHERE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO SHARE OPINIONS. No one on here is getting paid to coach the team, recruit players, fire coaches, find potential coaches, and hire coaches. I can have an opinion that UND needs to move on from its current men’s basketball coach (can support this opinion with countless stats about the state of the program), that does not mean I need to supply a single $ to make that happen. I will continue to go to home games, I will continue to travel to away games that I can make, and I will see you Friday in Fargo if you or SD or anyone else would like to share your opinions on the state of UND men’s basketball 

[NewUndFan]

7 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

That is why you aren’t in control. You aren’t experienced enough nor capable of being in “control”.  I assume that means you won’t be forking over your $50,000 share of the buyout.
You equated me with a term used to describe white women who use their so called “white privilege” to get what they want. You say it is because I felt an administrator’s home phone is off limits. You can do that because you can hide on a public forum and get away with it. I would give big odds that you have no idea what it is like to have meals interrupted either home with family or in public. I doubt you have any idea you no what it is like to have family time interrupted either at home or in public because some moronic fan whose life revolves around a sports team wants an autograph, photo or to give you an opinion. You seem to fit the bill, but I have no idea if you are an expert like or some poor misunderstood soul who was the 12th man on his 9th grade BB team and pines away for those days. Of course the guy who posted the comment about Chaves home number was “kidding”.  Easy to say that but there was no indication he was kidding. 

Also when these passionate fans that are on here that care about the team stop caring you will see a drop in attendance.  You will be left with gray hairs that will come to games and be happy and zero wins a season. But season ticket holders like myself who I guess can have no opinion will not be renewing next year unless there is changes.  Ira are you a season ticket holder??

[jdub27]

 

48 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

They will never see things from a different perspective other than that Sather is the greatest coach ever!

Not a single person has said that.

  

48 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

 because they think he is a good coach

His previous body of work indicates that he is. Well respected people, at all different levels from NAIA to D1, concur with it.
For many different reasons, it isn't translating. No one is disputing this either. 

[SiouxFan100]

Shouldn’t be calling folks at home. It is rude, and quite frankly, scary.

[SiouxFan100]

Why do we call people who don’t see it a certain way minions? I  lose a little respect cause it s a little extreme imho. But to each their own.

[SiouxFan100]

We do have passionate basketball fans. This l do respect. I am burdened by not being a yes or no person.

 I have not been impressed with our men’s basketball team and something needs to change. I don’t see a light yet.

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, NewUndFan said:

You were the only one who thought he was serious = Karen .  So I'm not allowed to have an opinion unless I agree to buy out the coach huh ? You are obviously blind and have no sense for basketball if you think our program is going in the right direction. 

I didn’t say I thought the program was going in the right direction. My comment about a buyout was to those who are frustrated someone else isn’t doing it. I’ve never liked the comments from those who have answers as long as someone else pays for it. My comments aren’t to everyone who wants a coaching change but to those who want someone else to pay for a buyout. I have no issues with those whose opinion is to change coaches. Maybe they are correct. I’m not blind. My basketball experiences, and coaching experiences are irrelevant. You may think your basketball experience and expertise far exceeds mine and anyone else who isn’t in full agreement. You may be right.  I’m smart enough to know I haven’t kept up with either sport to think I can coach. Maybe others have. My initial comment was after a post related to a poll that might influence UND “brass”.  I made another comment about the AD’s home phone number. Some of you infer an awful lot from nothing.  Because one disagrees there is no reason to take it as an offense. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

Man, after reading all of this, all I’m going to say is the University of North Dakota Athletics Department has some major issues to deal with (and it’s certainly not all related to coaching) … not looking good.

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, UND-SPORTS-FAN said:

 Some might say the same about you SD UND, when I mean some i mean everyone except Ira who can't take sarcasm either

I can take anything you want to toss out here but if you think it’s clear that everyone outside the ss.com experts can tell when your pals are “kidding” or “sarcastic”,  I beg to differ. 

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Exactly! Us season ticket holders that are at every game, watch every single road game online, travel to road games at times. We have no opinion in this public forum unless we pay $50k out of our own pockets to buy out the current coach. It makes a lot of sense! Just shows you what type of people the minions truly are! 

On second thought, I think I'm going to start selling Sather's Minions merch! All proceeds will go to buying out Sather from his current contract. That way I am allowed an opinion in this forum and am allowed to talk. Will that work Minions??

On the contrary, you just expressed your opinion and I doubt you gave UND $50,000. 

[CMSioux]

On 1/25/2023 at 2:13 PM, UND08 said:

You're "technically" right...but a sharp vote of no confidence from the most active fans of the program looks a lot like a referendum on Coach Sather...and that should carry some weight with the brass.

I like Sather...I still think he can coach...but for whatever reason the men's basketball program is in an unacceptable place in my book.  I believe he has one year left on his contract.  Lame duck status is a bad option that will be used against us in recruiting.  I don't like the idea of starting over but I think that's what's warranted, absent a late season run.  I will be the first to pipe up about lack of support relative to our peers anchoring the program down, because I think it's a major issue...but this was supposed to be the year we saw improvement...and so far that's not happening.

It would appear "The most active fans" are choosing not to vote.

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 hours ago, sioux24/7 said:

 

does this mean he just decided to turn pro instead of coming to america?

[iramurphy]

10 hours ago, Kab said:

Do recruits ask how many years a coach has left on their contract?

Yes. I experienced that question personally more than once.  Not only that, but opposing teams use it against schools where it is rumored that a coach is either taking a different job or losing their job. 

[sioux24/7]

1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

does this mean he just decided to turn pro instead of coming to america?

No there was an issue with eligibility I believe. The plan was to come here but it didn’t work out. 

[ND-fan]

I wouldn't phrase it most active fans it may be on this board but to me most active fans are people who are attending games and are season ticket holders for the basketball team. Until we hear from these fans the poll above means little to me, you're talking about less than 50 people involved in this poll and even of that its less than 30 people wanting to change coach. The poll most important is the people attending the games and Alumni of UND and finally the Athletic Director and President of the University. My gut feeling is that we're not there and probably because UND fans are pretty knowledgeable understand we have very young team and are watching this team progress and see potential of these players. Things that might change their minds if we lose these players at end of the season, but I don't think that's going to happen either. We have just gone through abnormal time in college sports and i think players going into portal is going to slow down because large number that have done this outcome has not been that favorable. I look at top teams in conference because of covid extension were seeing players with 5- and 6-years college basketball. Look at South Dakota State this year's team would not have Arians, Dentlinger, and Luke Apple three starters that are playing 5th year of college basketball there is world of difference in true freshmen playing against experienced players. I believe number of teams have these players on their teams starting. Now we get to us the two players that fit this extra year of playing time are Sueker and Nero neither are starting and both coming of serious injuries last year and to my judgement have not recovered fully from their injuries. I believe this distortion of rosters is ending and we will see how we stack up when teams will not have this stockpile of older talent playing.  This is why i believe the AD will give Sather longer leash than many of you called active fans would like and will continue to voice your displeasure. I believe he will get one- or two-year extension because if we don't do that pretty much impossible to retain players and recruit the talent this university needs to compete.