2020 non UND FCS thread

[Kab]

As football fans how many of you watch a g5 game that is on tv?  When I see one I usually skip over it and look for a p5 game.  Even the p5 games I look at who is playing before watching it.  I also notice the stands are pretty empty at a lot of g5 games.  Attendance at a lot of sporting events is down.  I don’t think Und hockey has the vibe it once did.  If ndsu wants to move up let them go.  Does bison 73 post this stuff on bisonville where it belongs?

[SiouxHawkGuy]

Bison fans don’t even know the difference between g5 and p5 they just want bama 

[zonadub]

The cries of “we want ‘Bama” and “no FBS schools will play us in the preseason” should come together. Why hasn’t NDSU scheduled Alabama for a preseason game? I doubt Saban would say no.
 

How about Georgia or even LSU?

[Sioux>Bison]

21 hours ago, bison73 said:

Weve done pretty well while not having the same scholarship levels. When we have 85 that will give us more depth and better able to compete every week. It will take some time but I would think we will start getting more high profile recruits.

 

Just think if we would have listened to you the last time we made a move up we wouldnt have won the last 9 National Championships and created  one of the greatest dynasties in football history.

A G5 NDSU is going to be able to keep those recruits that they lost to Minnesota and Wisconsin compared to the FCS NDSU? 

More scholarships will give you more depth but having more of them isn’t going to automatically going to help you recruit elite P5 talent. 
 

 

[Sioux>Bison]

11 hours ago, Bison06 said:

You are overlooking a key point. In this hypothetical recruiting situation, NDSU would no longer be FCS, they’d be G5 FBS. G5 teams win recruiting battles against P5 teams hundreds of times a year. Playing time, culture, connection with the coaching staff…etc.

 

Yeah recruiting elite talent to Fargo is going to be easy……. NDSU already has G5 level facilities but are they going to be enough to beat out P5 facilities and programs? Some of the local talent will still cut it at a G5 NDSU but they will have to rely on out of the region talent to fill their roster especially if they want elite P5 talent. 

[jdub27]

48 minutes ago, zonadub said:

The cries of “we want ‘Bama” and “no FBS schools will play us in the preseason” should come together. Why hasn’t NDSU scheduled Alabama for a preseason game? I doubt Saban would say no.
 

How about Georgia or even LSU?

The cries about not being able to schedule P5 teams is only partially true. 
Have they had struggles doing it? Without a doubt, scheduling them carries risk for anyone doing it.
But, have they turned down P5 game offers because they feel like the payout wasn't high enough? Absolutely.

Anyone, anywhere, any time.......as long as we feel like we're getting paid enough.....

[Bison06]

2 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Yeah recruiting elite talent to Fargo is going to be easy……. NDSU already has G5 level facilities but are they going to be enough to beat out P5 facilities and programs? Some of the local talent will still cut it at a G5 NDSU but they will have to rely on out of the region talent to fill their roster especially if they want elite P5 talent. 

You seem to be under the illusion that every FBS team is Georgia, Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State.

Every year there are anywhere from 2-6 teams that are so far above everyone else that nobody, even at the FBS level can touch them. The rest of FBS is filled with 3 star recruits with 4 stars occasionally and extremely rare 5 star guys.

NDSU will almost certainly never be in that elite 2-6 teams. I have no illusion of that. They play a different game, they are the NFL minor league. Everyone else on any given year is beatable and I think over the course of many years NDSU could find itself competing with them if they were to move up.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

You seem to be under the illusion that every FBS team is Georgia, Alabama, Clemson and Ohio State.

Every year there are anywhere from 2-6 teams that are so far above everyone else that nobody, even at the FBS level can touch them. The rest of FBS is filled with 3 star recruits with 4 stars occasionally and extremely rare 5 star guys.

NDSU will almost certainly never be in that elite 2-6 teams. I have no illusion of that. They play a different game, they are the NFL minor league. Everyone else on any given year is beatable and I think over the course of many years NDSU could find itself competing with them if they were to move up.

And again, if the playoff would expand to 12 teams, this would have been a year when NDSU would have been in the mix for a playoff spot. To play Georgia. Or Alabama. Or Michigan. Or keep playing Western Illinois, whatever.

tell that to dominque

[Bison06]

13 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

And again, if the playoff would expand to 12 teams, this would have been a year when NDSU would have been in the mix for a playoff spot. To play Georgia. Or Alabama. Or Michigan. Or keep playing Western Illinois, whatever.

tell that to dominque

His comments are certainly premature and overzealous and I don’t agree with him about this years ndsu team.

But look at it this way, on NDSUs best years, where do you think they would rank among only G5 teams?  I think they would have been near the top of G5 teams in 2013 and maybe a few other years in this 10 year run. If that’s true, and maybe you disagree with that, are you saying that in a 12 team playoff a G5 team or two wouldn’t find their way into the tournament? 

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

His comments are certainly premature and overzealous and I don’t agree with him about this years ndsu team.

But look at it this way, on NDSUs best years, where do you think they would rank among only G5 teams?  I think they would have been near the top of G5 teams in 2013 and maybe a few other years in this 10 year run. If that’s true, and maybe you disagree with that, are you saying that in a 12 team playoff a G5 team or two wouldn’t find their way into the tournament? 

what you fargo fantasy footballers don't realize that actually PLAYING a FBS schedule versus a FCS schedule doesn't compare or compute ....it just doesn't work. It's no different that Ferris State doing the same thing to FCS or Mary Hardin Baylor saying the same thing about d2.

[Bison06]

3 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

what you fargo fantasy footballers don't realize that actually PLAYING a FBS schedule versus a FCS schedule doesn't compare or compute ....it just doesn't work. It's no different that Ferris State doing the same thing to FCS or Mary Hardin Baylor saying the same thing about d2.

2 things.
 

Why not engage with the questions I posed?

Again, if ndsu moved to FBS, by definition they’d now be an FBS team with FBS scholarships and FBS depth. So yeah, as it sits, ndsu as an FCS team would struggle with a full FBS schedule, but the parameters would be obviously different if ndsu had FBS depth. Which they would if they moved up.

 

[geaux_sioux]

19 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

His comments are certainly premature and overzealous and I don’t agree with him about this years ndsu team.

But look at it this way, on NDSUs best years, where do you think they would rank among only G5 teams?  I think they would have been near the top of G5 teams in 2013 and maybe a few other years in this 10 year run. If that’s true, and maybe you disagree with that, are you saying that in a 12 team playoff a G5 team or two wouldn’t find their way into the tournament? 

Likely similar to an undefeated Coastal Carolina who, 11-0, were ranked 12. I have a theory though, that if the playoffs are expanded the rankings will favor P5 schools with a loss or two over the undefeated low G5 teams like Coastal. Meaning, they would find a way to rank them outside the top 12 and slide in a 1 or 2 loss team with blue blood.

[SIOUXFAN97]

17 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

His comments are certainly premature and overzealous and I don’t agree with him about this years ndsu team.

But look at it this way, on NDSUs best years, where do you think they would rank among only G5 teams?  I think they would have been near the top of G5 teams in 2013 and maybe a few other years in this 10 year run. If that’s true, and maybe you disagree with that, are you saying that in a 12 team playoff a G5 team or two wouldn’t find their way into the tournament? 

q1-who f'n knows and same thing could said for ferris state and mount union

q2-absolutely not...a 1 or 2 loss team from the big12, big 10, acc, sec, .....get in before a 0 loss Akron Zips or Ragin' Cajuns....

[Bison06]

6 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Likely similar to an undefeated Coastal Carolina who, 11-0, were ranked 12. I have a theory though, that if the playoffs are expanded the rankings will favor P5 schools with a loss or two over the undefeated low G5 teams like Coastal. Meaning, they would find a way to rank them outside the top 12 and slide in a 1 or 2 loss team with blue blood.

I agree on your coastal Carolina point.

And unfortunately your likely spot on with FBS working to keep the tournament seeds “in house”. But it would be more fun for fans if it were merit based.

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

q1-who f'n knows and same thing could said for ferris state and mount union

q2-absolutely not...a 1 or 2 loss team from the big12, big 10, acc, sec, .....get in before a 0 loss Akron Zips or Ragin' Cajuns....

Q2. You realize that you say that in a year that an undefeated G5 team(cincinatti)was included in a 4 team tournament?

[SIOUXFAN97]

Just now, Bison06 said:

Q2. You realize that you say that in a year that an undefeated G5 team(cincinatti)was included in a 4 team tournament?

and you saw what happened....same thing with notre dame...fool me once shame on......

[geaux_sioux]

12-1 Houston ranked 18 in 2015.
13-0 Western Michigan ranked 15 in 2016.

12-0 UCF ranked 12 in 2017.

12-0 UCF ranked 8 in 2018.

12-1 Memphis ranked 17 in 2019.

9-0 Cincy in ranked 8 2020.

13-0 Cincy ranked 4 in 2021. 
 

As you can see if you’re G5 you don’t get respect. The only exception is Cincy recently. For a G5 school their name does carry some weight, though, because of their basketball success. An 11 win NDSU team would maybe get looked at for a 12 team playoff if they had a big ranked win. Even then it’s a maybe. Coastal Carolina had ranked wins against #8 BYU and #21 ULL in 2020 and got sent to the FBC Mortgage Cure Bowl. Let that sink in.

 

[Bison06]

Just now, SIOUXFAN97 said:

and you saw what happened....same thing with notre dame...fool me once shame on......

How they competed is not part of this discussion in the slightest. However if you watched the game, I thought Cincinnati competed incredibly well. Did you watch the game or just look at the score?

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said:

12-1 Houston ranked 18 in 2015.
13-0 Western Michigan ranked 15 in 2016.

12-0 UCF ranked 12 in 2017.

12-0 UCF ranked 8 in 2018.

12-1 Memphis ranked 17 in 2019.

9-0 Cincy in ranked 8 2020.

13-0 Cincy ranked 4 in 2021. 
 

As you can see if you’re G5 you don’t get respect. The only exception is Cincy recently. For a G5 school their name does carry some weight, though, because of their basketball success. An 11 win NDSU team would maybe get looked at for a 12 team playoff if they had a big ranked win. Even then it’s a maybe. Coastal Carolina had a ranked wins against #8 BYU and #21 ULL in 2020 and got sent to the FBC Mortgage Cure Bowl. Let that sink in.

 

You used 7 examples above, 4 of them  are years that the top G5 team would have been included in a 12 team tournament.

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

How they competed is not part of this discussion in the slightest. However if you watched the game, I thought Cincinnati competed incredibly well. Did you watch the game or just look at the score?

watched the whole game....alabama played them like they were a jv team. could've won 55-6 if they wanted.

[SIOUXFAN97]

8 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

12-1 Houston ranked 18 in 2015.
13-0 Western Michigan ranked 15 in 2016.

12-0 UCF ranked 12 in 2017.

12-0 UCF ranked 8 in 2018.

12-1 Memphis ranked 17 in 2019.

9-0 Cincy in ranked 8 2020.

13-0 Cincy ranked 4 in 2021. 
 

As you can see if you’re G5 you don’t get respect. The only exception is Cincy recently. For a G5 school their name does carry some weight, though, because of their basketball success. An 11 win NDSU team would maybe get looked at for a 12 team playoff if they had a big ranked win. Even then it’s a maybe. Coastal Carolina had ranked wins against #8 BYU and #21 ULL in 2020 and got sent to the FBC Mortgage Cure Bowl. Let that sink in.

 

plus they actually beat a team on the road that has been in the tourney a couple of times in the last few years......

[Bison06]

1 minute ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

watched the whole game....alabama played them like they were a jv team. could've won 55-6 if they wanted.

Agree to disagree. The result was never in doubt, I agree. But Cincy looked better than a lot of SEC teams did this year. Heck they looked better than Georgia did for most of the SEC championship game

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

You used 7 examples above, 4 of them  are years that the top G5 team would have been included in a 12 team tournament.

jfk your assuming so so so much........

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, Bison06 said:

Agree to disagree. The result was never in doubt, I agree. But Cincy looked better than a lot of SEC teams did this year. Heck they looked better than Georgia did for most of the SEC championship game

hence no need to make it 55-6 bc this game was over the minute it started...all they wanted to was to win and not have anyone hurt.

[geaux_sioux]

10 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

You used 7 examples above, 4 of them  are years that the top G5 team would have been included in a 12 team tournament.

I’m aware. That’s where I think the P5 incest theory would apply. They were ranked fairly high, but safely outside of the P5 circle jerk. There’s bound to be a break through from time to time though.