Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, UNDBIZ said: I'm not arguing the 3/5 compromise was about slavery. You're attempting to conflate that with the electoral college, which was about representation for low population states. The 3/5 compromise was about additional representation for slave-holding states. Which, translates to the use of the electoral college. Without it, how would states like Virginia have as many electoral votes at the time? This is very basic civics. Slave states wanted it to give them more power in the electoral college. Simple math, simple civics.
UNDBIZ Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said: Which, translates to the use of the electoral college. Without it, how would states like Virginia have as many electoral votes at the time? This is very basic civics. Slave states wanted it to give them more power in the electoral college. Simple math, simple civics. The 3/5 improved their standing in the electoral college, no doubt. Eventually acknowledging that black people are whole people helped them even more. Slave states had lower populations, so yes they wanted the electoral college for more power. And slave states had a lot of slaves, so the 3/5 compromise gave them even more power in the electoral college. 1
Bison06 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 This discussion I find to be a common tactic these days with people on one side trying to have a factual discussion, while people on the other side want to manipulate the facts because two things are related. Just because the 3/5 compromise is associated with the electoral college doesn't make the electoral college inherently racist. Things always need to be looked at in the context of their time period. As disgusting as it is to me that a human being would only be allowed to be considered 3/5 of a human, before that for voting purposes they weren't considered a human at all.
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 17 minutes ago, Bison06 said: This discussion I find to be a common tactic these days with people on one side trying to have a factual discussion, while people on the other side want to manipulate the facts because two things are related. Just because the 3/5 compromise is associated with the electoral college doesn't make the electoral college inherently racist. Things always need to be looked at in the context of their time period. As disgusting as it is to me that a human being would only be allowed to be considered 3/5 of a human, before that for voting purposes they weren't considered a human at all. It was an inherently racist decision. As was slavery. It is just a fact.
Bison Dan Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: It was an inherently racist decision. As was slavery. It is just a fact. Yeah use today's values for a country trying to form 250 years ago.
Bison06 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: It was an inherently racist decision. As was slavery. It is just a fact. It isn't just a fact, repeating it many times doesn't make it more true. 3/5 compromise increased the lower population states' standing in the electoral college, but how does that make the electoral college racist?
Sioux>Bison Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 19 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said: Some of the right-wing groups are looney AF and are not there to be productive. They suck too just in different ways. They have just as much right to protest as anyone else. They are ones protesting peacefully!
Sioux>Bison Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 19 hours ago, Goon said: You need to have a convention of states to change the constitution. 2/3 vote of house and senate, then 3/4 of the states have to approve, small states are not going to give up that power
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bison Dan said: Yeah use today's values for a country trying to form 250 years ago. Facts make your butt hurt I get it.
UNDBIZ Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Bison06 said: It isn't just a fact, repeating it many times doesn't make it more true. 3/5 compromise increased the lower population states' standing in the electoral college, but how does that make the electoral college racist? Also, counting those black slaves as whole people would've been even better for the south in the electoral college. Both the north and the south counted a lot of people who weren't eligible to vote as people when determining their populations for representative distribution. But neither the north nor the south really wanted to acknowledge black slaves were whole people at the time. Not many clean hands around in 1789. 1
Sioux>Bison Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 19 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said: They're not protesters, they're thugs just like Antifa.....especially as it pertains to Portland. My point is, if Trump was truly interested in law and order, he'd hold everybody accountable that's causing this mess and/or adding to it. Obviously, despite the rhetoric, the Right has no interest in doing as such. The 'law and order' shtick is just a political tool. They may be thugs but they are not the same as antifa. Are they shutting down the antifa protests by disrupting them? Are they burning, looting, or destroying Portland? It’s not ok to stand up to Antifa by having their own protest? I guess we should just let Antifa destroy the country and not bat an eye! 1
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, Bison06 said: It isn't just a fact, repeating it many times doesn't make it more true. 3/5 compromise increased the lower population states' standing in the electoral college, but how does that make the electoral college look it up. Use your noggin. I've stated how several times.
Bison Dan Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: look it up. Use your noggin. It sounds like you are one of those ashamed of the so called white privilege you think you have and you really hate this country.
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bison Dan said: It sounds like you are one of those ashamed of the so called white privilege you think you have and you really hate this country. You, on the other hand express your disdain for our laws and constitution consistently. As do most of the cult.
Sioux>Bison Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Also, counting those black slaves as whole people would've been even better for the south in the electoral college. Both the north and the south counted a lot of people who weren't eligible to vote as people when determining their populations for representative distribution. But neither the north nor the south really wanted to acknowledge black slaves were whole people at the time. Not many clean hands around in 1789. Kind of how we count everyone in the population including illegal immigrants in the census?
Bison Dan Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Hayduke1 said: You, on the other hand express your disdain for our laws and constitution consistently. As do most of the cult. Example?
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: Kind of how we count everyone in the population including illegal immigrants in the census? The constitution requires a count of people, not citizens. Been happening since our founding.
Bison06 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: look it up. Use your noggin. I've stated how several times. I've read thoroughly on the subject, your interpretation of the facts is simply off. 1
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, Bison Dan said: Example? Start counting. How many times did you support these violations https://www.quora.com/How-many-times-has-Donald-Trump-violated-the-Constitution
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 For those denying the severity of Covid-19, good news. It appears you can keep denying its severity even after it kills you. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/uhhhh-herman-cains-twitter-claims-covid-is-not-as-deadly-as-mainstream-media-portrayed Uhhhh: Herman Cain’s Twitter Claims COVID Is ‘Not As Deadly’ As ‘Mainstream Media’ Portrayed
Popular Post Bison06 Posted August 31, 2020 Popular Post Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, Hayduke1 said: For those denying the severity of Covid-19, good news. It appears you can keep denying its severity even after it kills you. https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/uhhhh-herman-cains-twitter-claims-covid-is-not-as-deadly-as-mainstream-media-portrayed Contrary to popular belief, two things can be true at the same time. 1. Covid-19 can kill you 2. The media has absolutely overblown the risk 8
Bison Dan Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: Start counting. How many times did you support these violations https://www.quora.com/How-many-times-has-Donald-Trump-violated-the-Constitution Think about it - if these were true the House would be all over it. The trouble with you is you believe your own propaganda. Sad.
JohnboyND7 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said: I've done so several times. Read No, you haven't.
Hayduke1 Posted August 31, 2020 Posted August 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bison06 said: Contrary to popular belief, two things can be true at the same time. 1. Covid-19 can kill you 2. The media has absolutely overblown the risk 3. Herman Cain will tweet from the grave you forgot one
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