geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: Considering you were one of the posters on here lobbying for Mussman to keep his job, this comment isn't worth as much as you think it is. I'm also one of the few who realize the resources Faison gave Muss to work with. Faison tried doing football with a shoe string budget and it didn't work. I still have no idea how we won that Great West title, that team had very little talent. Pretty easy for you to snipe with the advantage of hindsight isn't it? How about thinking of how hard those players worked to earn those wins? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 I didn't know there were guidelines to qualify. Maybe it did prolong Mussmans stint but if it hadn't have gone down like that may not have gotten the coaching staff we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 14 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: I'm also one of the few who realize the resources Faison gave Muss to work with. Faison tried doing football with a shoe string budget and it didn't work. I still have no idea how we won that Great West title, that team had very little talent. Pretty easy for you to snipe with the advantage of hindsight isn't it? How about thinking of how hard those players worked to earn those wins? If you really believe that we would be talking about hosting an FCS playoff game as the #7 seed with Mussman still at the helm, then you are living in a different sports world than most of us. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, fightingsioux4life said: If you really believe that we would be talking about hosting an FCS playoff game as the #7 seed with Mussman still at the helm, then you are living in a different sports world than most of us. Where in the hell did I say any of that? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperman8 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 17 hours ago, DaveK said: Was UNO the Homecoming game in '82? If so, I was there. Memorial Stadium used to be my home away from home on Saturday afternoons in the fall during my childhood years. I think it was homecoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 5 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: Where in the hell did I say any of that? You were implying it when you said Faison gave Mussman a shoestring budget to work with. I honestly don't think it would have mattered what budget Mussman had to work with, the mess he left for Bubba to clean up was epic to say the least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted November 21, 2016 Author Share Posted November 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: You were implying it when you said Faison gave Mussman a shoestring budget to work with. I honestly don't think it would have mattered what budget Mussman had to work with, the mess he left for Bubba to clean up was epic to say the least. What budget constraints gave Muss a disadvantage? Muss was an average coach at best. Bubba has shown he is great coach. Making excuses for Muss is just sad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said: What budget constraints gave Muss a disadvantage? Muss was an average coach at best. Bubba has shown he is great coach. Making excuses for Muss is just sad. Not a Muss defender, but his assistant coaching staff was all either inexperienced or bad. That can be traced, at least in part, to the peanuts UND was willing to pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxkid12 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 17 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: You were implying it when you said Faison gave Mussman a shoestring budget to work with. I honestly don't think it would have mattered what budget Mussman had to work with, the mess he left for Bubba to clean up was epic to say the least. Mussman wasn't given a budget to hire good people, he was given a budget to hire below average coaches and it showed. If Faison was serious about D1 football he would've address the issue earlier in Mussman's career instead of hanging him out to dry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 It's pretty simple. Good coaches get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Siouxperfan7 said: What budget constraints gave Muss a disadvantage? Muss was an average coach at best. Bubba has shown he is great coach. Making excuses for Muss is just sad. I agree with you, it is people like geaux_sioux that are making excuses for Mussman. Can anybody verify whether or not resources given to FB have increased during Bubba's tenure? I am guessing there hasn't been a dramatic change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post geaux_sioux Posted November 22, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said: I agree with you, it is people like geaux_sioux that are making excuses for Mussman. Can anybody verify whether or not resources given to FB have increased during Bubba's tenure? I am guessing there hasn't been a dramatic change. There has been a huge increase in the coach salary pool which pays for assistants. There has been a huge increase in investment in football since Bubba got hired. And I'm not making excuses for anyone, I'm telling the truth. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 Investments pay dividends see 1099s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 28 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: There has been a huge increase in the coach salary pool which pays for assistants. There has been a huge increase in investment in football since Bubba got hired. And I'm not making excuses for anyone, I'm telling the truth. Okay, it is good to know they are upping the support for FB. The next concern (not now, but in a couple of years) will be keeping Bubba and/or his assistants from leaving for better jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 What game I wish I could say. 2014 against #7 Montana... if only we got the kick down. I'd go 2015 against MSU that I saw in person. Truthfully, ran it down their throats and if UND defended a few trick plays a little better the game wasn't even close. *Remember I was a student of the transition and early Big Sky days so my live versions are limited. Watched? NAU game from this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said: What game I wish I could say. 2014 against #7 Montana... if only we got the kick down. I'd go 2015 against MSU that I saw in person. Truthfully, ran it down their throats and if UND defended a few trick plays a little better the game wasn't even close. *Remember I was a student of the transition and early Big Sky days so my live versions are limited. Watched? NAU game from this year Pretty much same here. 2001 is when I started paying attention. Graduated from UND in 08 and then the transition happened. My favorite game in person was out in Wyoming because driving home after the game the sense of a rising program couldn't be ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: There has been a huge increase in the coach salary pool which pays for assistants. There has been a huge increase in investment in football since Bubba got hired. And I'm not making excuses for anyone, I'm telling the truth. Those were part of the negotiated terms of Bubba's hire; credit to Bubba. Bubba knows how to work the administration, if you can't tell by this point (his athletic department-wide speeches and messages have blown anything Faison has ever tried to deliver out of the water). Bubba has far better people skills and, quite frankly, common sense than Mussman. Don't use $$$ as an excuse for Mussman; he just didn't have the ability to be a leader, both on the football field and with higher leadership. If he had, he would've been able to lobby for better support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 4 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Those were part of the negotiated terms of Bubba's hire; credit to Bubba. Bubba knows how to work the administration, if you can't tell by this point (his athletic department-wide speeches and messages have blown anything Faison has ever tried to deliver out of the water). Bubba has far better people skills and, quite frankly, common sense than Mussman. Don't use $$$ as an excuse for Mussman; he just didn't have the ability to be a leader, both on the football field and with higher leadership. If he had, he would've been able to lobby for better support. If you don't think Mussman was asking for more money for the program you're crazy. It's just too convenient to place 100% of the blame on Muss but that just isn't reality. He just wasn't a HC type but he was also never given a legit shot. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 3 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: If you don't think Mussman was asking for more money for the program you're crazy. It's just too convenient to place 100% of the blame on Muss but that just isn't reality. He just wasn't a HC type but he was also never given a legit shot. My point clearly was his tactics of going about it (rallying support) were flawed. And they were. Fact. He didn't have it; time to move on and accept the positive current state of affairs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 1 minute ago, UND-FB-FAN said: My point clearly was his tactics of going about it (rallying support) were flawed. And they were. Fact. He didn't have it; time to move on and accept the positive current state of affairs. By acknowledging how great the 2011 USD and 2012 Griz games were? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 8 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: By acknowledging how great the 2011 USD and 2012 Griz games were? Funny, you had no problem going on a tangent initially. Oh well, decisions can be tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomer 40AAA Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 The 1975 UND vs.ndac in Fargo.Touchdown run by Dale Kasowski was the greatest in UND history.Three ac players on the turf and 2 und.after the play.The 75 team was unbeaten going into the playoffs and #1 in the nation. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sprig Posted November 29, 2016 Share Posted November 29, 2016 On 11/19/2016 at 8:13 PM, iramurphy said: In 1972 Cal Poly wasn't #1. Delaware was. During the regular season, We played poorly and got beat by the AC at home. Our All American RB got hurt and didn't play in the second half. We were ranked #3 when we lost that game, our only loss of the year. Delaware refused to come west to play us in the Camelia Bowl. They won a different bowl game and retained their #1 ranking. (we didn't get screwed by the pollsters, we "screwed the pooch" against the AC). Actually historical records indicate we went to the Camellia bowl to play #1 Cal Poly, who we defeated handily. The pollsters then gave the championship to undefeated #2 Delaware, because of our loss to NDSU. We were #3 going into the bowl game Crappy polls, a championship without having to play the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 17 hours ago, sprig said: Crappy polls, a championship without having to play the game FBS finally got rid of all that poll-based nonsense a few years ago. I wonder how many national titles we would have won in the 1960's and 70's if the playoff system had been implemented earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Does anyone know where to find video of the 1993 Sioux Bison game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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