UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gothmog said: I would think you want to stay in a league were you could get a #7 seed by playing only one ranked team. We beat 2 teams who are in the playoffs. How many did ISUr beat? Or SDSU, for that matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gothmog said: I would think you want to stay in a league were you could get a #7 seed by playing only one ranked team. You mean the league that was better than the MVFC head to head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 23 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: We beat 2 teams in the playoffs. How many did ISUr beat? And both of the playoff teams you beat also had weak schedules. There's a reason Sagarin rates that 6-5 team 22 spots above you, despite your 9-2 record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gothmog said: And both of the playoff teams you beat also had weak schedules. There's a reason Sagarin rates that 6-5 team above you, despite your 9-2 record. Also, don't forget that the last 6-5 MVFC team to make the FCS playoffs actually won its first-round game. Hard to say they didn't belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 minutes ago, Gothmog said: Also, don't forget that the last 6-5 MVFC team to make the FCS playoffs actually won its first-round game. Hard to say they didn't belong. They got spoon fed Dayton. C'mon, at least try to stay realistic. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 25 minutes ago, Gothmog said: There's a reason Sagarin rates that 6-5 team above you, despite your 9-2 record. Because it rewards moral victories? Any system that shows a team that is 5-6 as the 5th best team in nation has some serious kinks in it. 11 minutes ago, Gothmog said: Also, don't forget that the last 6-5 MVFC team to make the FCS playoffs actually won its first-round game. Hard to say they didn't belong. LOL. They beat non-scholarship Dayton (who was #78 out of 125 in the almighty Sagarin rankings) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, UND-1 said: They got spoon fed Dayton. C'mon, at least try to stay realistic. And they acquitted themselves well against the #2 seed the next week. Again, it's hard to say they didn't belong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Play the far conference; play the near non-conference or Play the far non-conference; play the near conference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 27 minutes ago, Gothmog said: And both of the playoff teams you beat also had weak schedules. There's a reason Sagarin rates that 6-5 team 22 spots above you, despite your 9-2 record. You can use your incredibly flawed rating system. I'll use mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, jdub27 said: Because it rewards moral victories? Any system that shows a team that is 5-6 as the 5th best team in nation has some serious kinks in it. LOL. They beat non-scholarship Dayton (who was #78 out of 125 in the almighty Sagarin rankings) Are you suggesting that strength of schedule is not important? If so, why are you looking down your nose at WIU beating a 10-1 Dayton team in last year's playoffs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gothmog said: And they acquitted themselves well against the #2 seed the next week. Again, it's hard to say they didn't belong. They lost by 3 scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, Gothmog said: Are you suggesting that strength of schedule is not important? If so, why are you looking down your nose at WIU beating a 10-1 Dayton team in last year's playoffs? Strength of schedule is important. So is winning. Sagarin apparently doesn't care enough about the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 Just now, UNDBIZ said: They lost by 3 scores. Very similar to SDSU's loss earlier this year to TCU. Some have called it the "greatest 18 point loss in CFB history". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 7 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: They lost by 3 scores. They trailed by 3 points in the 4th quarter. Sometimes close games get out of hand at the end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 16 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Strength of schedule is important. So is winning. Sagarin apparently doesn't care enough about the latter. The Sagarin ratings are predictive of actual outcomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gothmog said: The Sagarin ratings are predictive of actual outcomes. Must've been wrong about UNI around 4 times this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bison73 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 On 11/19/2016 at 8:45 PM, nodakvindy said: Right. that would require doing something that is in the best interests of the state and not just themselves, something NDSU and Fargo have shown little willingness to do. Only here and ND would it be considered a bad thing to elevate your schools enrollment, academics and athletics. Usually a rising tide lifts all ships except ND. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, Gothmog said: The Sagarin ratings are predictive of actual outcomes. No, it cares about being "close enough". At some point, you are what your record says you are, even when you take into account strength of opponents. I don't know exactly when that point is, but I feel pretty comfortable that you're there at least by the end of the season. Outside of moral victories, give me a logical explanation why Sagarin's 5th rated FCS team has 6 FCS losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 minute ago, jdub27 said: No, it cares about being "close enough". At some point, you are what your record says you are, which includes taking into account opponents. I don't know exactly when that point is, but I feel pretty comfortable that you're there at least by the end of the season when you have 6 FCS losses, but I guess not. OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 4 minutes ago, Gothmog said: OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 11 minutes ago, Gothmog said: OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? Flip that inside out: Win 5, get decimated, lose 6. What's that say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Gothmog said: I would think you to stay in a league were you could get a #7 seed by playing only one ranked team. You're joking right - look at the past 5 years and how easy it has been for SU to make the NCAA tourny in a variety of sports because of weak competition within the conference. Also there were several teams the football team played this year that were ranked when we played them - we beat them and they moved down out of the rankings - cause/effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 For UNI to be ranked so high in saragin shows the criteria used to measure is garbage in and garbage out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothmog Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 5 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Flip that inside out: Win 5, get decimated, lose 6. What's that say? Obviously you want teams that are good at playoff time. That's the point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted November 21, 2016 Share Posted November 21, 2016 20 minutes ago, Gothmog said: OK, let's say that a team had a incredible string of injuries to start the year and ran up an 0-6 record to start the year. But, when those players came back in week 7 they turned things around and finished 5-6, including wins against several ranked teams. What does their 5-6 record say about them? They didn't, so what is the relevancy? UND was 7-1 last year when Studsrud started and finished games and 0-3 when he was injured during the game or didn't play. On top of that, they were without their All-American safety for a few of those games. That didn't seem to matter to the committee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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