CMSioux Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I am in full agreement with this opinion, as I myself am both a hockey and football season ticket holder. The explicit difference in support between hockey and football/basketball is downright idiotic. Great example coming up - let's see what they do to create interest in the spring football scrimmage - last year was less than horrible. But a pre-season hockey game against Manitoba - pull out the stops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Great example coming up - let's see what they do to create interest in the spring football scrimmage - last year was less than horrible. But a pre-season hockey game against Manitoba - pull out the stops. Well, for starters the scrimmage (often times termed Spring Football Game) will be taking place outdoors in Memorial Stadium this season. If the weather is poor, which it easily could be in late April, the attendance will be horrid. In all honestly, only the die-hard UND football fans - like myself- will enjoy the 2015 UND spring football scrimmage. I can't imagine the UND athletic department will be marketing it much: they'll be too busy planning for 2015-2016 men's hockey already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Fargo versus Grand Forks is not much of a comparison in my opinion and is a huge recruiting advantage in NDSU's favor my opinion. The only comment I can make is: Do you want a town with a college (or two or three) or a college town? One man's opinion (and clearly the only that matters to me): If you're going to college, you're going to college; the town around it doesn't matter. (I say town to put it in relation to kids looking at either from major cities.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Are we seriously comparing an intrasquad scrimmage that is 4 months before the regular season starts against a preseason game vs an actual opponent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Jacobson is the one other player on their roster who looks like he could be something, but when I watch him play I still see the kid who was outplayed by Mack Arvidson of Red River in the state tournament a few years ago. Seriously, NDSU returned one good player, and one defensive specialist from last year, and that's it. And they didn't really add much of anything, other than Jacobson coming off his redshirt year. And they have no depth, or real post presence on offense. But they do have a more than competent coach. Funny what that can overcome.The coaching that Richman did this year far exceeds what Miles and Phillips did. He only used seven guys, and Jacobson is not yet consistent (although he was only a redshirt freshman). Their other dance teams were much more talented. What Richman did with the talent he had is almost breathtaking. LA was there, who seemed to be a finisher, as NDSU won almost all their close games. Richman has a future. Only problem is that he may not leave NDSU. We've got to up our game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Are we seriously comparing an intrasquad scrimmage that is 4 months before the regular season starts against a preseason game vs an actual opponent? If done right, any football game should outdraw a hockey game. With that said, the facilities for hockey (REA) and the nature of the football game (inter-squad scrimmage) will definitely lead to a much larger crowd for the preseason hockey game. However, the marketing and administrative backing for football and basketball is way less than it should be. The administration doesn't put in the effort necessary for UND MBB to be successful at the DI level. I'm more optimistic regarding football just because of Bubba and his staff along with the HPC coming on line; all good things for football. Still, football marketing needs to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Just saying what has been said by multiple recruits. Is it MSP? No, but has a heck of a lot more going on than Grand Forks does.If Grand Forks is on equal footing as Fargo, why do so many UND grads move to Fargo? Because that is where the jobs they want are. That doesn't mean UND will have a big problem beating NDSU for FB, MBB and WBB recruits. If that was the case, we would always suck and that hasn't been the track record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Fargo versus Grand Forks is not much of a comparison in my opinion and is a huge recruiting advantage in NDSU's favor my opinion. There has been multiple past football players and basketball players from out of state who have been quoted in the past saying they were surprised at how large Fargo was and how much it had going on and helped in influencing their decision to come. I know personally that played a huge role in why I picked NDSU. Could not stomach the thought of living in Grand Forks. I've seen plenty of stomachs on NDSU fans. Grand Forks doesn't have the capacity to feed those monsters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Are we seriously comparing an intrasquad scrimmage that is 4 months before the regular season starts against a preseason game vs an actual opponent? If you are trying to build excitement and an audience you have to commit to promoting all aspects of it. Do a quick check of what other schools do to promote their spring football games - they make it an event. UND gave it a shot a few years ago with their spring tailgating competitions but now seems to have dropped the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 If done right, any football game should outdraw a hockey game. With that said, the facilities for hockey (REA) and the nature of the football game (inter-squad scrimmage) will definitely lead to a much larger crowd for the preseason hockey game. However, the marketing and administrative backing for football and basketball is way less than it should be. The administration doesn't put in the effort necessary for UND MBB to be successful at the DI level. I'm more optimistic regarding football just because of Bubba and his staff along with the HPC coming on line; all good things for football. Still, football marketing needs to improve. UND and GF are used to big donors being sugar daddies, so with out a sugar daddy, initiatives aren't even tried for certain sports. NDSU doesn't have real sugar daddies, so all their fan base has to work toward a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 The coaching that Richman did this year far exceeds what Miles and Phillips did. He only used seven guys, and Jacobson is not yet consistent (although he was only a redshirt freshman). Their other dance teams were much more talented. What Richman did with the talent he had is almost breathtaking. LA was there, who seemed to be a finisher, as NDSU won almost all their close games. Richman has a future. Only problem is that he may not leave NDSU. We've got to up our game. Not having LA on the team next year is absolutely huge. He was their offense. Bisides him, they relied on 6 other guys to fill in. Losing a POY who acounted for the majority of your scoring when you have a lot of inexperience that is going to have to step up next year is a huge loss. Without LA, the Bison probably do finish where they were predicted, at around 5th. LA was one of the best players in Bison basketball history. Losing his scoring is going to tough to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Fargo versus Grand Forks is not much of a comparison in my opinion and is a huge recruiting advantage in NDSU's favor my opinion. There has been multiple past football players and basketball players from out of state who have been quoted in the past saying they were surprised at how large Fargo was and how much it had going on and helped in influencing their decision to come. I know personally that played a huge role in why I picked NDSU. Could not stomach the thought of living in Grand Forks. What a surprise - I never would have guessed that a bison alum would choose Fargo over Grand Forks - you guys excel at high jacking threads to feed your insecurity. To each his own every town has its pluses and minuses. I like being able to go the mall and not worrying about my kids getting flashed, or knowing that when I sign a petition it's going to be accepted by the state (see what I did here). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kill me for this if you will, but after watching the Dakota schools playing in a new arena in SF on Midco I would gladly take a Summit/MVFC offer if they could get it. It is where UND belongs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Not having LA on the team next year is absolutely huge. He was their offense. Bisides him, they relied on 6 other guys to fill in. Losing a POY who acounted for the majority of your scoring when you have a lot of inexperience that is going to have to step up next year is a huge loss. Without LA, the Bison probably do finish where they were predicted, at around 5th. LA was one of the best players in Bison basketball history. Losing his scoring is going to tough to replace. People said the same sort of things about Braun, Bjorklund, and Wright last year. NDSU loses one senior from this year's Summit League championship team. They'll likely be better next year, and, along with SDSU, among the favorites in the Summit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kill me for this if you will, but after watching the Dakota schools playing in a new arena in SF on Midco I would gladly take a Summit/MVFC offer if they could get it. It is where UND belongs. <GASP> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizzou/sioux Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 For what it's worth, I seem to recall a current school year survey considering which college towns in America were the best (broken down, I believe into either three or four population categories--totaling in all about 75 colleges/universities, both Grand Forks and Fargo made the lists in their respective population groupings. So, it seems the ambiance or whatever regarding the two communities seems about even, all things considered. Students enroll in colleges for a variety of reasons--among them distance from home (not too close, not too far), academics (does the university have my preferred major?), number of friends attending the same school, etc.,etc. In many instances, athletes are no different. For some it is a matter of projected playing time. For others, the environment, the coaching staff, projected social life and post-graduate possibilities are a determining factor. With that being said I seem to recall that only a UND men's basketball loss to potent Weber State a year ago kept the state of North Dakota from having both its major state universities go to the Big Dance in the spring of 2014. Personally, I'd like to congratulate archrival NDSU for its success on the athletic fields and courts. The state of North Dakota as well as the region benefit when there are two strong research universities instead of just one. Instead of tearing each other down, let's try a little cooperation. The state needs both. In my mind the pioneer leaders of North Dakota made a wise choice in opting for two fine universities instead of putting all the eggs in one basket, i.e., that is having a separate land grant college from the original university. That last statement, I realize, is quite open to debate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kill me for this if you will, but after watching the Dakota schools playing in a new arena in SF on Midco I would gladly take a Summit/MVFC offer if they could get it. It is where UND belong. I could not agree with this more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosidel Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kill me for this if you will, but after watching the Dakota schools playing in a new arena in SF on Midco I would gladly take a Summit/MVFC offer if they could get it. It is where UND belongs. They would have taken a Summit/MVFC bid in a heartbeat had the MVFC been offering a few years ago. In all honesty, the Summit League is blossoming into a very good basketball conference, and the MVFC is a great FCS football conference. For instance, the contrast between the NEC championship game that was on ESPN2 immediately before the Summit League championship last night was striking. Any viewer who watched both games would have had to have been impressed by what the saw in the later game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mksioux Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kill me for this if you will, but after watching the Dakota schools playing in a new arena in SF on Midco I would gladly take a Summit/MVFC offer if they could get it. It is where UND belongs. I agree. No shame in saying it. The Big Sky is nice, but MVFC/Summit would be better. But without the MVFC, the Summit is a non-starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Too much history between Douple and Faison for anything to happen on BF's watch. After BF retirement? All bets are off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bincitysioux Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Too much history between Douple and Faison for anything to happen on BF's watch. After BF retirement? All bets are off. Well then let's hope BF never retires. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well then let's hope BF never retires. The Sky is a great home for almost all sports but nothing would surprise me in the next five years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Kill me for this if you will, but after watching the Dakota schools playing in a new arena in SF on Midco I would gladly take a Summit/MVFC offer if they could get it. It is where UND belongs. If the Slummit is such a great conference, why are Slummit schools constantly looking for different conferences to jump to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Well then let's hope BF never retire Whoa, wait a second, bin. That could also conceivably mean Jones will be here forever, too. On the other hand, with global warming and all, maybe the only real hurdle keeping him from greatness will be removed eventually if he sticks around long enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Are we seriously comparing an intrasquad scrimmage that is 4 months before the regular season starts against a preseason game vs an actual opponent? Damn that hockey program! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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