SiouxVolley Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I hear where you are coming from. When looking at the map, couldn't believe how much of an eastern outlier YSU is. Losing them would definitely shift the MVFC to the west. Grand Valley State would be perfect for the Slummit and MVFC, if any of Youngstown, Mo St, I'll St, Ind St, UNI get an FBS invite. Football is big at GVSU, and they can't drop it like Omaha. Quote
BisonCardinal Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Damn Darell, you are on top of it. Wouldn't have a map of the Summit league handy, would you? Quote
BisonCardinal Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 I'd take GV State. Last I looked, don't they have 20,000+ students? Quote
darell1976 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 Damn Darell, you are on top of it. Wouldn't have a map of the Summit league handy, would you? Here you go. Quote
darell1976 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 The SL before the Dakota's joined (2006-07 season): Valpo (left the next year) Centenary (left in 2011 for DIII) SUU (left in 2012) UMKC (left in 2013) Oakland (left in 2013) WIU Oral Roberts (left in 2012) (rejoined in 2014) IUPUI So unsteady. If the Dakota 3 left, that conference would become the Great West 2.0 which would scare me if UND were to join the SL. Who would say the SU's, Omaha, Denver, or anyone else would stay. We already saw ORU leave once, who says they would stay permanently. Quote
dmksioux Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 The SL before the Dakota's joined (2006-07 season): Valpo (left the next year) Centenary (left in 2011 for DIII) SUU (left in 2012) UMKC (left in 2013) Oakland (left in 2013) WIU Oral Roberts (left in 2012) (rejoined in 2014) IUPUI So unsteady. If the Dakota 3 left, that conference would become the Great West 2.0 which would scare me if UND were to join the SL. Who would say the SU's, Omaha, Denver, or anyone else would stay. We already saw ORU leave once, who says they would stay permanently. Invite the Montana's... ;-) Quote
zonadub Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Invite the Montana's... ;-) Sure... They would want to leave the solid, stable conference they were founding members of to join the revolving door now known as the Summit. ;-) If UND were to replace someone like Youngstown, that would put 5 Summit Teams in the MVFC. The MVC schools do not want to share control of the football conference with their "weak sister", the Summit League. On the other hand, if there were 5 Summit teams in one conference, it would only take one more (UNC?) to form a Summit Football League. Can you say NCC 2.0?. Again, something the MVC members of the MVFC do not want, since it would leave only of half their teams. So, despite Herd's assertion that UND would be able to get an invite to the MVFC, there are indeed obstacles to overcome. Quote
BisonCardinal Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Here you go. Thank you sir. (missing Oral Roberts) Yes, the Summit HAS been a revolving door, but it has never had 3 flagship state universities as members either. Times are a changin'. Quote
Popular Post UND1983 Posted March 28, 2015 Popular Post Posted March 28, 2015 Summit in 3 time zones now? I heard a few years ago that having a conference with teams in 3 time zones was ridiculous and not functional. 6 Quote
bincitysioux Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Summit in 3 time zones now? I heard a few years ago that having a conference with teams in 3 time zones was ridiculous and not functional. Ha! I see what you did there. Quote
Herd Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Grand Valley State would be perfect for the Slummit and MVFC, if any of Youngstown, Mo St, I'll St, Ind St, UNI get an FBS invite. Football is big at GVSU, and they can't drop it like Omaha. Other than the fact that GV is DII, have no intention of moving, and would require 5 years to transition . . . Ya perfect. GV owns und, so that would be another reason for und to stay out of the SL/MVFC. Quote
homer Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Other than the fact that GV is DII, have no intention of moving, and would require 5 years to transition . . . Ya perfect. GV owns und, so that would be another reason for und to stay out of the SL/MVFC. Grand Valley and UND consistently met in the playoffs when UND and FU were DII. I understand FU not being familiar with GV. 1 Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Other than the fact that GV is DII, have no intention of moving, and would require 5 years to transition . . . Ya perfect. GV owns und, so that would be another reason for und to stay out of the SL/MVFC. So you must also feel UND owns the fargodome. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Other than the fact that GV is DII, have no intention of moving, and would require 5 years to transition . . . Ya perfect. GV owns und, so that would be another reason for und to stay out of the SL/MVFC. That was over 10 years ago and we did beat them in two big games (the 2001 national title game and a 2004 national quarterfinal game in Grand Forks), so don't count your chickens before they are hatched on that one. And who knows what their intentions are? They could be discussing a possible Division I move in the future, especially with all the talk of realigning divisions. Quote
darell1976 Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Other than the fact that GV is DII, have no intention of moving, and would require 5 years to transition . . . Ya perfect. GV owns und, so that would be another reason for und to stay out of the SL/MVFC. UND is 2-4 against GV, I guess that would mean UND owns NDSU. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 What!!? No bragging up a Slummit school on Bisonville that made it to a Final Four? When IPFW made it to a Final Four in men's volleyball, bisonville crowed for days! What gives?!!!! Quote
Dagger Posted March 30, 2015 Author Posted March 30, 2015 They started to talk about our St. Cloud yesterday when we fell behind 1 to 0 and then the conversation ended. I wonder why? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 We can't talk about that Summit school because they did the unthinkable -- they dropped football and wrestling (two programs that needed significant subsidies at that particular school*) and went with ice hockey (something that may have a shot at gating expenses there*) instead. *This sentence only speaks to circumstance at a particular school, interests, and fan base. Your mileage may vary. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Gene Taylor may be the man tasked with bringing hockey to Iowa. With a new rink proposed for Coralville, something is up. Just imagine how that will bring down Taylor's legacy on Bville. Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 Gene Taylor may be the man tasked with bringing hockey to Iowa. With a new rink proposed for Coralville, something is up. Just imagine how that will bring down Taylor's legacy on Bville. I don't think that would be bad. Big Ten schools can afford to do whatever they want. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted March 30, 2015 Posted March 30, 2015 I don't think that would be bad. Big Ten schools can afford to do whatever they want. In bizon eyes, that is treasonous to go to a higher level, only to start hockey. Only about 10% of bisonville likes hockey. The majority claim they hate it. Quote
Herd Posted April 3, 2015 Posted April 3, 2015 In bizon eyes, that is treasonous to go to a higher level, only to start hockey. Only about 10% of bisonville likes hockey. The majority claim they hate it. Bison fans don't hate hockey, but they understand that starting hockey would equate to not funding our other sports appropriately at the DI level. I'd rather see BB funded at a higher level and coaches paid in the 300-500 range to keep them from moving too quickly. Also, NDSU needs to keep its sports offerings lean to be able to pay stipends for all sports, which will be the required recipe to compete in DI. Lots of sports, most with no stipends, and not paying coaches is the recipe to being an also ran in DI. If your other sports are underfunded with poor coaching salaries, it makes you wonder if the DII model with DI hockey, like Duluth and SC is the better model. Say what you want, but that's the opinion of most bison fans. Hockey does not benefit the university's overall athletic department. BB and watching the football landscape for the future are the key considerations. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 N Kentucky will be announced Monday as the newest Horizon League member. The Summit can thank their lucky stars IPFW or IUPUI didn't get an invite, as both have stated they would leave the Slummit in a New York minute. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 Bison fans don't hate hockey, but they understand that starting hockey would equate to not funding our other sports appropriately at the DI level. I'd rather see BB funded at a higher level and coaches paid in the 300-500 range to keep them from moving too quickly. Also, NDSU needs to keep its sports offerings lean to be able to pay stipends for all sports, which will be the required recipe to compete in DI. Lots of sports, most with no stipends, and not paying coaches is the recipe to being an also ran in DI. If your other sports are underfunded with poor coaching salaries, it makes you wonder if the DII model with DI hockey, like Duluth and SC is the better model. Say what you want, but that's the opinion of most bison fans. Hockey does not benefit the university's overall athletic department. BB and watching the football landscape for the future are the key considerations.There is a chorus line on bizonville that sings hockey sucks every time it comes up. Guess their not bison fans then? Quote
Herd Posted May 10, 2015 Posted May 10, 2015 There is a chorus line on bizonville that sings hockey sucks every time it comes up. Guess their not bison fans then? Some people like hockey some don't. Making generalizations about fans bases doesnt really matter, but go ahead if you must. What matters is your ability to fund sports so you can have success in DI. Clearly hockey is a financial drag on the two major national sports, and has no place in ndsu's current model. Adding hockey would be a negative, regardless of your like or dislike of the sport. Quote
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