ScottM Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 If Archie can convince the NCAA to turn the ship around, I might be tempted to get behind it again .... but me thinks we are long past the point of no return on this one. That ship has long since sailed, floundered in a storm and sank like a rock. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 C'mon, the NCAA knows way more about Native ceremonies and meanings than Archie Fool Bear. Mr. Fool Bear is probably the only sincere person in any of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Time Hockey Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 C'mon, the NCAA knows way more about Native ceremonies and meanings than Archie Fool Bear. Mr. Fool Bear is probably the only sincere person in any of this. Yet another thing that we agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 If Archie can convince the NCAA to turn the ship around, I might be tempted to get behind it again .... but me thinks we are long past the point of no return on this one. You and I are on the same ship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Here is a post from Archie Fool Bear's Facebook page: Today some friends contacted me saying President Kelley is making another push to get rid of the Fighting Sioux name. I will continue my quest to make sure that the last of our gifts and ceremonies are honored. We here at Standing Rock were never allowed to vote on this and I'm pretty sure every leader has their personal reasons. But when it comes to our ceremonies, there isn't a tribal motion, or tribal resolution that can UNDO that ceremony. I know I will catch some flack for my continued support of what was done in the past. When our Tribal Leader of the time, along with the descendants of the one of this nations most quoted leader(sitting bull) gave the University the right to use the name and do so with our ceremonies then we should continue to respect that. I hear all the anti name comments, all the personal experiences, and all the hoopla against UND's use of the name and the comment that the ceremony didn't mean a thing, this was said by own tribal leader. But somewhere in all this, the ceremony conducted by Mr. Ed Loon as directed by the Chairman in 1969 should be respected by leaders of today. Our ceremonies either mean something or nothing at all. I'd like to thank those elders who gave me their support to continue the fight to keep the name "Sioux" alive, "Never forget who you are, you are part of the great Sioux Nation don't let anyone take that away we not victims we are the great Sioux nation". With the national push to do away with Indian Names proudly given to schools and other uses for either their Identity or a sports team soon enough, no one will know who the Sioux People are and soon enough some congressional person will take this to that level. So to those who have passed on, those descendants of both Mr Loon and those descendants of Sitting Bull who gave the name back in the 30's, I will continue with my promise to fight for what we did. ..I will continue to fight the good fight. I hat to break it to hos friends contacting him, but President Kelley did not get rid of the name. The Spriit Lake Tribal Coucil effectively did by not giving the tribal members a vote. I agree that he is sincere about his comments and I agree with him. But that ship has sailed, sunk, been discovered, and hade a sappy love story movie made about it already!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I hat to break it to hos friends contacting him... gfhockey lives! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Yet another thing that we agree! Ditto. I think Archie is a great guy. But, I also think we need to move On. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I wish I could find it, but someone quite a while back posted the "final list" of choices a while back. I think it was something like: < a weather phenomena, like Storm > < a flying raptor > < a clawed mammal > < a generic "idea" noun, like Liberty > I wish I could find that again. It was genius. < a color > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 < a color >Let's go with the color...isn't there a rugby team from New Zealand called the All Blacks? I'm sure nobody would find that offensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 The University of North Dakota Black Stripes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Or Black Bars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Oh No! We are now a ship without a rudder.Wonder what could happened?#freegfhockeyIf we are burning the ships, does it matter?but I agree #freethemotorhand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Green Stripes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Green Gremlins?Have all insects and spiders been covered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray77 Posted March 6, 2015 Share Posted March 6, 2015 Let's go with the color...isn't there a rugby team from New Zealand called the All Blacks? I'm sure nobody would find that offensive. In the CFL - the Ottawa Redblacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 "The Last Committee 2.0" meets later today for the first time. http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/3695105-und-nickname-committee-faces-time-crunch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 "The Last Committee 2.0" meets later today for the first time. http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/3695105-und-nickname-committee-faces-time-crunch After reading this article and McDonald's comments one can see why Kelley asked him to be on the committee. "Here comes your University of North Dakota Sundogs". (or Big Green) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Its March 10th, does the really get done by May? After reading this article and McDonald's comments one can see why Kelley asked him to be on the committee. "Here comes your University of North Dakota Sundogs". (or Big Green) Sundogs can be turned into an innuendo. NEXT! Big Green, The movie was alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 After reading this article and McDonald's comments one can see why Kelley asked him to be on the committee. "Here comes your University of North Dakota Sundogs". (or Big Green) I'd be curious as to how a school sports nickname could "hinder" your education...I knew students during my time at UND who not once stepped foot inside Hyslop, Memorial Stadium, or the old REA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I'd be curious as to how a school sports nickname could "hinder" your education...I knew students during my time at UND who not once stepped foot inside Hyslop, Memorial Stadium, or the old REA. Exactly.....but it's a "civil rights" issue. Please............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Exactly.....but it's a "civil rights" issue. Please............. Belfield High School's nickname was the Bantams. Never occurred to me in my four years there that my GPA might have been higher if the team had been called Greyhounds, Kings, or Wolverines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Belfield High School's nickname was the Bantams. Never occurred to me in my four years there that my GPA might have been higher if the team had been called Greyhounds, Kings, or Wolverines. No wonder there are some many troubled and dumb kids that came out of Devils Lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 The members of this committee would be well served to read some history. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/18/sports/ncaabasketball/18marquette.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 ... the university's board ... went with a new nickname few students and alumni were prepared for. "After we made the decision, the board gathered together for dinner, and people felt good about the job they had done. But then you put it out there, and obviously the customers didn't buy it." ... the university president at the time, decided there was no way to remove the stereotypes from the Warriors history, and he offered the student body a choice between two inoffensive nicknames. The students chose Golden Eagles over Lightning. Because Golden Eagles was so generic, fans maintained an association with Warriors. Two years ago, when Marquette's men's basketball team won the Conference USA regular-season championship, one student waved a sign that stated, "100 Percent Warrior!" A "Sundogs" category* nickname would retrace these (mis)steps that should never be followed again. *Pick your favorite duckies and bunnies, rainbows and unicorns, name. That's the category I speak of. I'd say "Golden Eagles" and "Lightning" are one level above that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 After reading this article and McDonald's comments one can see why Kelley asked him to be on the committee. Wow, I had no idea we were all so oppressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-RedSox fan Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 So if the nickname can make people get better grades, let's call ourselves the Crimson and say we are as good as Harvard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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