stoneySIOUX Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Then please explain how Boston College can win 4 titles in the last 14 years, while we have ZERO in the same period? And both Minnesota and Denver went back-to-back in 2002-03 and 2004-05 respectively. If it is next to impossible to hang an NCAA banner anymore, those things should never have happened. Hakstol is becoming our version of Doug Woog: Lots of regular season success, a boatload of Frozen Four appearances and ZERO NCAA titles to show for it. Our fan base used to mock and ridicule other programs (St. Cloud for example) for hanging participation banners instead of title banners. Now we are almost embracing it as proof of a successful program. I simply do not agree with that line of thinking. Flame away (I am used to it). BC is clearly an outlier. I have no way to explain that. They got it done. Minny missed tournaments and hasn't had title since. Denver as well. So, IMO, parity makes it harder to win a title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 It was just an observation regarding that particular game and team. In no way am I comparing them to the current team...that 86-87 team was a lot of fun to watch; full throttle all the time. We didn't know how good we had it! No we didn't; it is human nature to appreciate things after they are over and not when they are happening. Sorry about the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 BC is clearly an outlier. I have no way to explain that. They got it done. Minny missed tournaments and hasn't had title since. Denver as well. So, IMO, parity makes it harder to win a title. They got it done because Jerry York builds his teams the same way Dean Blais did during his tenure in Grand Forks. Lots of speed and skill, constant offensive zone pressure, creating odd-man rushes, a commitment to all players chipping in defensively and good goaltending. It worked in the 1990's and it still works today. I think that style works better in the college game than this structured NHL stuff Hakstol favors. It works fine in the regular season, but it has failed us during the postseason. I certainly hope Hakstol gets the national title monkey off his back soon; I just have doubts that it will happen under his leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 They got it done because Jerry York builds his teams the same way Dean Blais did during his tenure in Grand Forks. Lots of speed and skill, constant offensive zone pressure, creating odd-man rushes, a commitment to all players chipping in defensively and good goaltending. It worked in the 1990's and it still works today. I think that style works better in the college game than this structured NHL stuff Hakstol favors. It works fine in the regular season, but it has failed us during the postseason. I certainly hope Hakstol gets the national title monkey off his back soon; I just have doubts that it will happen under his leadership. favorite blais quote was always "speed boys, speed" hak quote "cycle boys, cycle" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I was on Hak last year so it isn't a one game thing for me. No I dont think a title is easy, but I expect one every 10 years. Am I really out of line? Something called Union won it last year. Though thank God it was them and not the Goofs. If the Gophers were winning "nattys" like the Bison in football. I believe Hakstol would have been gone by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 If the Gophers were winning "nattys" like the Bison in football. I believe Hakstol would have been gone by now. Very sage observation Cratter. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 How many nattys gophers win since our last? Simple question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 How many nattys gophers win since our last? Simple question How many times will you ask the same questions over and over again? Simple question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 If the Gophers were winning "nattys" like the Bison in football. I believe Hakstol would have been gone by now. Yeah....but that's JV football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I certainly hope Hakstol gets the national title monkey off his back soon; I just have doubts that it will happen under his leadership. It will never happen. Mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yeah....but that's JV football. How about if it was the gophers and not Boston college. We just enough to barely stay ahead of your rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 They got it done because Jerry York builds his teams the same way Dean Blais did during his tenure in Grand Forks. Lots of speed and skill, constant offensive zone pressure, creating odd-man rushes, a commitment to all players chipping in defensively and good goaltending. It worked in the 1990's and it still works today. I think that style works better in the college game than this structured NHL stuff Hakstol favors. It works fine in the regular season, but it has failed us during the postseason. I certainly hope Hakstol gets the national title monkey off his back soon; I just have doubts that it will happen under his leadership. Perfect summary - Hak is so stubborn about his "systems" - Imagine what York could do with Toews, Oshie, and Duncan on a line. Hak does many parts of his coaching job very well, but I really believe that this is why we never get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So to the Hak supporters, would you be happy if he goes the next 10 with a .600 winning percentage and 0 titles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So to the Hak supporters, would you be happy if he goes the next 10 with a .600 winning percentage and 0 titles? He's not leaving before his contract is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 How many nattys gophers win since our last? Simple question Q) How many nattys do these fine college programs have in the last 15 years? Maine, Notre Dame, Miami, Michigan, Colorado College, Cornell, New Hampshire A) zero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Perfect summary - Hak is so stubborn about his "systems" - Imagine what York could do with Toews, Oshie, and Duncan on a line. Hak does many parts of his coaching job very well, but I really believe that this is why we never get it done. You're guaranteeing two national titles in the two years Toews hypothetically spent at BC? Would York have made Duncan a two or three-time Hobey Baker winner? Oshie a 50 goal scorer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 You're guaranteeing two national titles in the two years Toews hypothetically spent at BC? Would York have made Duncan a two or three-time Hobey Baker winner? Oshie a 50 goal scorer? I'm not guaranteeing squat - just pointing out that we certainly have had the talent to get it done and that in my opinion Hak's "systems" have not helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I'm not guaranteeing squat - just pointing out that we certainly have had the talent to get it done and that in my opinion Hak's "systems" have not helped. So what are we supposed to imagine York doing with Duncan-Oshie-Toews that Hak couldn't do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Q) How many nattys do these fine college programs have in the last 15 years? Maine, Notre Dame, Miami, Michigan, Colorado College, Cornell, New Hampshire A) zero How many of them have a 100m recruiting gem and a full budget with over 100k just in sticks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 How many of them have a 100m recruiting gem and a full budget with over 100k just in sticks? Maybe it's because Yale and Union recruit guys who want to win NCAA hockey championships and UND recruits guys who want to win Stanley Cups? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 How many of them have a 100m recruiting gem and a full budget with over 100k just in sticks? That doesn't win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 That doesn't win games. good coaching wins nattys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 good coaching wins nattys good coaching doesn't always win you national titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 So what are we supposed to imagine York doing with Duncan-Oshie-Toews that Hak couldn't do? Win a title Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Maybe it's because Yale and Union recruit guys who want to win NCAA hockey championships and UND recruits guys who want to win Stanley Cups? ^^^This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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