Herd Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Let's be totally honest. In 2005 when NDSU was voted down by the Big Sky, UND would also have been voted down period. An in 2009 when UND was voted In, NDSU would also have been voted in had they been applying. In 2009, the Big Sky was adding anyone and everyone they could possibly get. So, all this discussion about why UND was viewed as much superior to NDSU by the Big Sky is . . . a bunch of BS, and everyone here knows it. 2009 was a completely different time in history for the voting members of the Big Sky as they were fearing for the potential loss of MT and MT State, and were taking anyone and everyone that would join the conference. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Let's be totally honest. I agree, which means all we have is the reality that occurred. Quote
Herd Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I agree, which means all we have is the reality that occurred. If you think NDSU would not have been accepted by the Big Sky in 2009 (if they had wanted to join), then you are dumber than I thought. And if you think that UND would have had any chance in 2005, then you are an idiot. The Big Sky was not going to go that Far East (period) in 2005. Then you have 2009, where Fullerton had convinced the presidents there was safety in numbers, with strong potential that the Sky was falling. NDSU would easily been accepted. You are going to sit there in you right mind and tell me otherwise? Do you have any integrity? Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 If you think NDSU would not have been accepted by the Big Sky in 2009 (if they had wanted to join), then you are dumber than I thought. And if you think that UND would have had any chance in 2005, then you are an idiot. The Big Sky was not going to go that Far East (period) in 2005. Then you have 2009, where Fullerton had convinced the presidents there was safety in numbers, with strong potential that the Sky was falling. NDSU would easily been accepted. You are going to sit there in you right mind and tell me otherwise? Do you have any integrity? This. Tough to compare times. Was Charlotte getting into the CUSA in '05? Probably not. Things turned into a game of musical chairs..things have gotten weird as of the past few years. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted February 21, 2014 Author Posted February 21, 2014 Why did the MVC and Patty Viverito try to merge with the WAC when it was down to NMSU, Denver, and Idaho? Idaho was supposedly told to get lost, so the Vandals blocked the merger The MVC lost the game, set, and match, and got frozen out of FBS action for the MVFC. Hence, Mo St has to leave to go FBS. I am sure that if the MVFC had merged with the WAC, bisonville would have been singing the Hallejuah chorus regarding this FBS conference. But the Big Sky is preposterous. Mo St Youngstown St Ind St S Ill Ill St W Ill UNI NDSU SDSU USD NMSU No true media centers anywhere in that conference. The MVFC shot its wad on a WAC takeover. The Big Sky outmanuevered the MVFC. It wasn't as if MVFC wasn't trying to pull out all stops to go FBS. The MVFC would have forced WIU, USD, and SIU to FBSI. Gene Taylor was all in favor of it. Face those facts. Quote
SiouxVolley Posted February 21, 2014 Author Posted February 21, 2014 Let's be totally honest. In 2005 when NDSU was voted down by the Big Sky, UND would also have been voted down period. An in 2009 when UND was voted In, NDSU would also have been voted in had they been applying. In 2009, the Big Sky was adding anyone and everyone they could possibly get. So, all this discussion about why UND was viewed as much superior to NDSU by the Big Sky is . . . a bunch of BS, and everyone here knows it. 2009 was a completely different time in history for the voting members of the Big Sky as they were fearing for the potential loss of MT and MT State, and were taking anyone and everyone that would join the conference. Fullerton told UND and NDSU in 2003 that membership was not possible. They needed to go to UNC first for a media center and after that an eastern expansion was possible. Kupchella was satisfied that was the future plan. Chapman tried to wedge his way into the Big Sky, thinking his connections would get him there. He was wrong and only Chicago States incompetence saved him. UND and the Big Sky was a planned deal when UND announced DI. UND worked with Fullerton and Montana, showed a lot of patence, and didn't try to bully itself in the way Chapman did. Chapman was a regular bull in the china shop. If he had any patence, UND and NDSU would have entered the Big Sky the same year. Instead, he forged a relationship with SDSU, convincing them to take the plunge and promising he could get them in the Sky. He and Taylor didn't want any cooperation with UND, cause they were fearful of the REA, its drawing power, and its media capability. His legacy will be what keeps NDSU out of FBS, although Taylor is also a cause. 1 Quote
Bison Dan Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Fullerton told UND and NDSU in 2003 that membership was not possible. They needed to go to UNC first for a media center and after that an eastern expansion was possible. Kupchella was satisfied that was the future plan. Chapman tried to wedge his way into the Big Sky, thinking his connections would get him there. He was wrong and only Chicago States incompetence saved him. UND and the Big Sky was a planned deal when UND announced DI. UND worked with Fullerton and Montana, showed a lot of patence, and didn't try to bully itself in the way Chapman did. Chapman was a regular bull in the china shop. If he had any patence, UND and NDSU would have entered the Big Sky the same year. Instead, he forged a relationship with SDSU, convincing them to take the plunge and promising he could get them in the Sky. He and Taylor didn't want any cooperation with UND, cause they were fearful of the REA, its drawing power, and its media capability. His legacy will be what keeps NDSU out of FBS, although Taylor is also a cause. Only in your mind. Fact is there isn't a team in the BSC that wouldn't trade you guys for NDSU in a heartbeat. Quote
darell1976 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Only in your mind. Fact is there isn't a team in the BSC that wouldn't trade you guys for NDSU in a heartbeat. Boy you love to keep pumping your chest don't you. Quote
UNDColorado Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Only in your mind. Fact is there isn't a team in the BSC that wouldn't trade you guys for NDSU in a heartbeat. You just won the most preposterous statement of the year award. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 If you think NDSU would not have been accepted by the Big Sky in 2009 (if they had wanted to join), then you are dumber than I thought. And if you think that UND would have had any chance in 2005, then you are an idiot. Thank you for coming in and attempting to be condescending and succeeding at being insulting. All we have are the honest facts of what happened. After that it's all opinion and belief. Quote
homer Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Only in your mind. Fact is there isn't a team in the BSC that wouldn't trade you guys for NDSU in a heartbeat. That must have been stated somewhere if it is a fact. Source please? Quote
homer Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I'll just wait for the Big5 conferences to make their move and see what happens after that. I don't see any movement without that happening. 2 Quote
CMSioux Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 That must have been stated somewhere if it is a fact. Source please? I believe it was first shared at FUs official burning of the Big Sky rejection letters ceremony which coincided with chapter one of the FU Revisionist History Book (which keeps getting bigger by the day). 1 Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 Only in your mind. Fact is there isn't a team in the BSC that wouldn't trade you guys for NDSU in a heartbeat. I seen to recall hearing Fullerton on the radio in fargo getting hard over the idea of NDSU in the Sky.... about 5 minutes after saying they were well within their rights to reconsider UND as a member..... Quote
homer Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I seen to recall hearing Fullerton on the radio in fargo getting hard over the idea of NDSU in the Sky.... about 5 minutes after saying they were well within their rights to reconsider UND as a member..... Link?? Quote
UND1983 Posted February 21, 2014 Posted February 21, 2014 I seen to recall hearing Fullerton on the radio in fargo getting hard over the idea of NDSU in the Sky.... about 5 minutes after saying they were well within their rights to reconsider UND as a member..... Yep, when talking about the UND nickname. Use context. Quote
gfNDfan Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Only in your mind. Fact is there isn't a team in the BSC that wouldn't trade you guys for NDSU in a heartbeat. you MAD bro? Why is it every time all of you who've "moved on" feel the need to CONSTANTLY look behind you....maybe you're not really the "leaders" you think you are. Have you ever seen a racehorse in the lead look back and WORRY about the horses behind him...no. Does a racecar driver in the lead pull over and worry about who's "behind" him? No. So maybe you guys aren't the leaders you think you are - just the fact that every time you Ag-holes rush in to piss on any topic on your board proves only one thing...BUT I'm here to help! http://www.amhc.org/1-anxiety-disorders/article/24026-small-penis-syndrome-characteristics-and-self-help-treatment-suggestions ps - please use lube where applicable 1 Quote
Herd Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Fullerton told UND and NDSU in 2003 that membership was not possible. They needed to go to UNC first for a media center and after that an eastern expansion was possible. Kupchella was satisfied that was the future plan. Chapman tried to wedge his way into the Big Sky, thinking his connections would get him there. He was wrong and only Chicago States incompetence saved him. UND and the Big Sky was a planned deal when UND announced DI. UND worked with Fullerton and Montana, showed a lot of patence, and didn't try to bully itself in the way Chapman did. Chapman was a regular bull in the china shop. If he had any patence, UND and NDSU would have entered the Big Sky the same year. Instead, he forged a relationship with SDSU, convincing them to take the plunge and promising he could get them in the Sky. He and Taylor didn't want any cooperation with UND, cause they were fearful of the REA, its drawing power, and its media capability. His legacy will be what keeps NDSU out of FBS, although Taylor is also a cause. You clearly have no integrity at all in your statements. NDSU made the move to DI, waiting an extra year to give UND the opportunity to follow along. UND did not, and reiterated its commitment to DII. NDSU and SDSU applied for Big Sky membership in 2005, there was no DI UND to wait around for, UND had no interntion of doing anything be staying DII. IN 2005, the Big Sky was not willing to take Dakota schools, instead taking NC from Denver region. In 2009 when UND and USD were joining DI, NDSU and SDSU were in good shape with Summit/MVFC membership, and had no desire to even consider the Big Sky. UND/USD were offered Big Sky Membership which UND jumped on right away. Before accepting a Big SkY invite, USD probed for a Summit/MVFC combo deal, which was offered and accepted. UND went to the Big Sky as the lone Dakota school, with USD chosing the Summit/Valley over their Big Sky offer. USD's choice was not the Big Sky, nor was that the choice of either SDSU or NDSU who made no attempt to seek an offer from the Big Sky when the door was wide open. (By wide open, I mean USU, UND, UCD, Poly all were welcomed in) Good for UND, it found a conference for football and all sports. Good for USD, it got the deal it prefered over the Big Sky, minimizing its travel and reuniting with its biggest rival. Which story, yours or mine, correctly reflects what happened with the Dakota schools? Volley, you have a serious lack of truth and integrity in your statements. I hope everyone here realizes that.. Quote
Herd Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Thank you for coming in and attempting to be condescending and succeeding at being insulting. All we have are the honest facts of what happened. After that it's all opinion and belief. Just looking for someone, anyone, that is an honest person to make an honest statement about the 2005 and the 2009 periods, instead of pretending that UND would have been added in 2005, and NDSU wouldn't have been added in 2009. I guess that person is not you. The facts are . . . UND did not apply for membership in 2005 UND was accepted by the Big Sky in 2009 NDSU/SDSU was not accepted by the Big Sky in 2005 NDSU/SDSU had no desire to join the Big Sky in 2009 USD had offers to both the Big Sky and the Summit/MVFC in 2009, and chose the Summit MVFC Nearly every school that applied to the Big Sky in 2009 was added The Assumptions of any Reasonable person . . . UND/USD would have received a big NO on Big sky membership in 2005, just like NDSU/SDSU received NDSU would have been added, along with UND, in 2009 if NDSU would have had a desire to join the Big Sky Quote
gfNDfan Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 You clearly have no integrity at all in your statements. NDSU made the move to DI, waiting an extra year to give UND the opportunity to follow along. UND did not, and reiterated its commitment to DII. NDSU and SDSU applied for Big Sky membership in 2005, there was no DI UND to wait around for, UND had no interntion of doing anything be staying DII. IN 2005, the Big Sky was not willing to take Dakota schools, instead taking NC from Denver region. In 2009 when UND and USD were joining DI, NDSU and SDSU were in good shape with Summit/MVFC membership, and had no desire to even consider the Big Sky. UND/USD were offered Big Sky Membership which UND jumped on right away. Before accepting a Big SkY invite, USD probed for a Summit/MVFC combo deal, which was offered and accepted. UND went to the Big Sky as the lone Dakota school, with USD chosing the Summit/Valley over their Big Sky offer. USD's choice was not the Big Sky, nor was that the choice of either SDSU or NDSU who made no attempt to seek an offer from the Big Sky when the door was wide open. (By wide open, I mean USU, UND, UCD, Poly all were welcomed in) Good for UND, it found a conference for football and all sports. Good for USD, it got the deal it prefered over the Big Sky, minimizing its travel and reuniting with its biggest rival. Which story, yours or mine, correctly reflects what happened with the Dakota schools? Volley, you have a serious lack of truth and integrity in your statements. I hope everyone here realizes that.. your name rhymes with "TURD!" :lol: (compliments SHFfIC - the Sam Humann Foundation for Idiot Comments) Quote
gfNDfan Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Just looking for someone, anyone, that is an honest person to make an honest statement about the 2005 and the 2009 periods, instead of pretending that UND would have been added in 2005, and NDSU wouldn't have been added in 2009. I guess that person is not you. Point is...THAT'S ancient history - why would anyone really care now. It's 2014. We're in the BigSky - you're wallowing in the valley that floods with bs a lot...lets see what happens down the road:-) Quote
nodak651 Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 lol at bison trolls getting trolled 1 Quote
darell1976 Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Just looking for someone, anyone, that is an honest person to make an honest statement about the 2005 and the 2009 periods, instead of pretending that UND would have been added in 2005, and NDSU wouldn't have been added in 2009. I guess that person is not you. The facts are . . . UND did not apply for membership in 2005 UND was accepted by the Big Sky in 2009 NDSU/SDSU was not accepted by the Big Sky in 2005 NDSU/SDSU had no desire to join the Big Sky in 2009 USD had offers to both the Big Sky and the Summit/MVFC in 2009, and chose the Summit MVFC Nearly every school that applied to the Big Sky in 2009 was added The Assumptions of any Reasonable person . . . UND/USD would have received a big NO on Big sky membership in 2005, just like NDSU/SDSU received NDSU would have been added, along with UND, in 2009 if NDSU would have had a desire to join the Big Sky Actually UND was invited into the Big Sky on Oct 29, 2010 and accepted membership on Nov 1, 2010, not 2009 since we are being "honest". http://www.bigskyconf.com/mobile/index.aspx?story=1274 Quote
jacksfan29 Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Why did the MVC and Patty Viverito try to merge with the WAC when it was down to NMSU, Denver, and Idaho? Idaho was supposedly told to get lost, so the Vandals blocked the merger The MVC lost the game, set, and match, and got frozen out of FBS action for the MVFC. Hence, Mo St has to leave to go FBS. Link, or at least provide a source. And don't say FOIC in Idaho. Quote
Herd Posted February 22, 2014 Posted February 22, 2014 Link, or at least provide a source. And don't say FOIC in Idaho. Was it the MVC or MVFC that was trying to join with the WAC? Yes, please show us some proof of that, cause it sounds pretty far fetched. Where to start? Most of the MVFC can't afford FBS football The MVC wouldn't ok addl members for non football Patty is not the MVC commissioner The MVFC wouldn't be allowed to merge 10 to FBS without the NCAA and the P5 getting involved. There is a lot wrong with you theory, and I haven't see. Any proof. Quote
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