Bison Dan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 3 minutes ago, jdub27 said: How does Dakota Magic down by the border work? Obviously not near a larger population base, but similar off-reservation casino scenario. I believe that it's on some reservation land to start with. Quote
Redneksioux Posted January 30 Posted January 30 19 hours ago, Green Banner said: The city said they would annex the land into city limits for infrastructure. The city can annex sovereign land? Quote
Redneksioux Posted January 30 Posted January 30 20 hours ago, Brim006 said: Malls in general are a dying breed, so this isn't unique to Grand Forks. I would say busy malls doing well are more rare than they are common in 2025. With that said, it either needs major change fast, or needs to be converted to something else fast. Most of the failing malls around the country have closed down or converted, so the Columbia Mall situation has been unique in that sense. No more dragging on a giant empty building. Giant food hall and beer hall with open seating areas seems to be an easy option for the main areas and smaller empty stores. TILT in Bismarck has done well in one of the old pillar large stores. I guess the 800 employees from Belcourt might need some housing. Maybe convert it into apartments for the staff? Quote
jdub27 Posted January 30 Posted January 30 18 minutes ago, Bison Dan said: I believe that it's on some reservation land to start with. You might be right. Didn't know the reservation land cut up into ND in the corner. 4 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: The city can annex sovereign land? How is it sovereign land? Did the chunk of land on the Vegas strip become sovereign land because the 3 Affiliated Tribes bought it? Not a land attorney, but I don't think a tribe can just buy land anywhere and it automatically becomes sovereign land, though maybe that's not what you're trying to say? 1 1 Quote
Bison Dan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 minute ago, jdub27 said: You might be right. Didn't know the reservation land cut up into ND in the corner. How is it sovereign land? Did the chunk of land on the Vegas strip become sovereign land because the 3 Affiliated Tribes bought it? Not a land attorney, but I don't think a tribe can just buy land anywhere and it automatically becomes sovereign land, though maybe that's not what you're trying to say? The original agreement with the state of ND was a casino could be built on reservation land only. The land purchased by the tribe is not on their reservation. Quote
Redneksioux Posted January 30 Posted January 30 36 minutes ago, jdub27 said: You might be right. Didn't know the reservation land cut up into ND in the corner. How is it sovereign land? Did the chunk of land on the Vegas strip become sovereign land because the 3 Affiliated Tribes bought it? Not a land attorney, but I don't think a tribe can just buy land anywhere and it automatically becomes sovereign land, though maybe that's not what you're trying to say? I thought it was mentioned they intended to make this sovereign land. Heard this spoken about on KNOX at least, not sure if this is only a rumor or not though. Quote
NewUndFan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 What I heard was that they are asking the city to Annex the land into the city. This couldnt be considered sovereign land at that point. They would be paying taxes like any other business in city limits, unless the city gave them some sort of break. They give other businesses breaks for bringing the economic impact that this could bring to the city. The biggest hurdle for them will getting approval from the State and Federal to build a casino off the reservation. I have to think that they have been given some kind of confirmation that they will, otherwise why go through purchasing the land and going to the city. 1 Quote
gfhockey Posted January 30 Posted January 30 Sounds like a done deal. Expected opening 2028. Hard rock Quote
NewUndFan Posted January 30 Posted January 30 1 hour ago, gfhockey said: Sounds like a done deal. Expected opening 2028. Hard rock Where are you hearing this from @gfhockey Have you heard if they will be contributing tax income to the city? Quote
gfhockey Posted January 30 Posted January 30 25 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: Where are you hearing this from @gfhockey Have you heard if they will be contributing tax income to the city? Knox soverin land 1 Quote
Green Banner Posted January 30 Posted January 30 They won't pay taxes per se, but it was discussed at the meeting they would pay some sort "tax". The land for the casino would be in a trust and the land for the resort would be under the tribe. I think they would pay property tax on the resort side. I believe that's what was stated by Feland Quote
TheFlop Posted January 31 Posted January 31 On 1/30/2025 at 9:11 AM, jdub27 said: How does Dakota Magic down by the border work? Obviously not near a larger population base, but similar off-reservation casino scenario. Well there is Thief River Falls casino too. Point being that most of these casinos/"resorts" aren't really that nice or kept up.....you can go down the list. But none of them are close to any cities at least not like the proposed one is to Grand Forks. This isn't an issue exclsuive to native American casinos but seems esprcially prevalent in the upper midwest. Now take that and add to it the fact that the city/state will literally be next to powerless to take any action when the inevitable happens. I'm actually pro-gamimg overall, and if a tribe wants to take a run at being one of the providers so be it.....but none of this sovereign land crap. It's asking for trouble. 1 Quote
gfhockey Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Bill already going to legislature vote two gf sponsors two red sponsors done deal Quote
Walsh Hall Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, TheFlop said: the city/state will literally be next to powerless to take any action when the inevitable happens. Pardon my ignorance, what is the inevitable that will happen? Quote
Walsh Hall Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Here's the SB if anyone is interested. SB 2376 - Overview | North Dakota Legislative Branch 1 Quote
TheFlop Posted February 1 Posted February 1 3 hours ago, Walsh Hall said: Pardon my ignorance, what is the inevitable that will happen? When they start to look like the other ones in the upper midwest. Maybe this one would be different. Quote
St Patrick Posted February 1 Posted February 1 Just build this on the site where the Colombia Mall is and be done with it. Canadians would flock to it. 4 Quote
Cratter Posted February 1 Posted February 1 I just think too many hurdles to jump through. How's this time different than last time? Although I'm all for it. And hope it becomes a reality. Quote
ND1 Posted Wednesday at 04:27 PM Posted Wednesday at 04:27 PM On 1/31/2025 at 9:34 PM, Cratter said: I just think too many hurdles to jump through. How's this time different than last time? Although I'm all for it. And hope it becomes a reality. Difference this time is the land has been purchased ($10 Mil). New governor that supports the change in ND law to allow this and now former Gov. Burgum is now Sec. of the Interior. The biggest hurdle was always federal approval, that now becomes much easier with Burgum in charge of the Interior. 1 Quote
Walsh Hall Posted Wednesday at 07:05 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:05 PM 2 hours ago, ND1 said: Difference this time is the land has been purchased ($10 Mil). New governor that supports the change in ND law to allow this and now former Gov. Burgum is now Sec. of the Interior. The biggest hurdle was always federal approval, that now becomes much easier with Burgum in charge of the Interior. Not much opposition in the first hearing this morning. Charitable gaming will have something to say in addition to the conservative/religious groups. Part of the issue is that if this is approved by the legislature it will be hard to deny other off-reservation projects. I'd expect similar requested for the other larger communities in the State. The legislature doesn't even want the citizens to be able to vote for sports gambling. I won't be overly surprised if this gets voted down. Quote
gfhockey Posted Wednesday at 07:17 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:17 PM 11 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said: Not much opposition in the first hearing this morning. Charitable gaming will have something to say in addition to the conservative/religious groups. Part of the issue is that if this is approved by the legislature it will be hard to deny other off-reservation projects. I'd expect similar requested for the other larger communities in the State. The legislature doesn't even want the citizens to be able to vote for sports gambling. I won't be overly surprised if this gets voted down. Done deal I’ve heard lot of back room wheeling and dealing going on Whose pockets get the most grease Quote
Walsh Hall Posted Wednesday at 07:43 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:43 PM 15 minutes ago, gfhockey said: Done deal I’ve heard lot of back room wheeling and dealing going on Whose pockets get the most grease I'm not at all saying that it won't pass, but from being around the capital there will be opposition from formidable groups. The conservative rural legislators may be an issue on this one. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted Wednesday at 07:44 PM Posted Wednesday at 07:44 PM Just now, Walsh Hall said: I'm not at all saying that it won't pass, but from being around the capital there will be opposition from formidable groups. The conservative rural legislators may be an issue on this one. They tried to stop Sunday opening and they couldn't. Quote
Walsh Hall Posted Wednesday at 08:38 PM Posted Wednesday at 08:38 PM 32 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said: They tried to stop Sunday opening and they couldn't. Much much smaller ultra-right contingent for that stupid one... This issue, and its precedent, has the potential to cause significant financial issues for many entities. I'm curious to see the position of the other tribes on this one. The tribes lobby hard against charitable gaming as it negatively effects their casinos. This may be the same for fear of casinos in Fargo, Bismarck and Minot. Quote
nodakvindy Posted Wednesday at 10:13 PM Posted Wednesday at 10:13 PM 1 hour ago, Walsh Hall said: Much much smaller ultra-right contingent for that stupid one... This issue, and its precedent, has the potential to cause significant financial issues for many entities. I'm curious to see the position of the other tribes on this one. The tribes lobby hard against charitable gaming as it negatively effects their casinos. This may be the same for fear of casinos in Fargo, Bismarck and Minot. big difference is that Standing Rock, Fort Berthold and Spirit Lake all have casinos tied to legit recreational destinations with Devils Lake, Lake Sakakawea and Lake Oahe. And Three Affiliated makes way more on oil than on their casino. Turtle Mountain can make a claim that the GF area is in their ancestral lands, so I think it has a viable shot. It would definitely be a big benefit from Grand Forks, so I hope it becomes a reality. Quote
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