Fetch Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 GB did not win - the Vikings lost it Time to try Web Ponder is not getting it done Can't find a open receiver - his fundamentals are terrible - foot work is spaztic Can all of our receivers be that bad ? Not getting open ? Terrible calls & play in the red zone (Coaches ? ? ?) AP is one of the best running backs of all time Defense has improved Sure we miss Harvin but give us a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 AP had 21 carries for 210 yards and they still chose to try to throw the ball whenever they got into the red zone. Dumb playcalling. As much as I enjoy having the Queens lose, it's gotten hard to watch at times. Feed that man (AP) the ball!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ponder is struggling and probably needs to sit down, watch and learn. But it doesn't help that their only legitimate receiver (Percy Harvin) was out again yesterday. This team had an awesome draft in April and they need another awesome draft next April. They need some legit receivers, more depth on defense and probably another QB prospect in case Ponder doesn't work out in the long run. The team is much better than last year, but is still a couple of drafts away from being championship contenders. I honestly don't want them to sneak in the playoffs and lose the first game. It's better if they finish 7-9 and get better draft position for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 GO PACK GO!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Ponder, without question, is the worst QB in the last two draft classes. Can't hesitate anymore, sucks it up against the Bears at home and he won't start another game the rest of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodcon Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 The game plan they preached during the off-season made sense, they signed Carlson to a decent contract saying they were going to have a double TE passing attack with Rudolph to help keep the defense from stacking Peterson. They signed Simpson saying he would stretch the field and give Harvin room underneath to work and also help keep the defense from stacking Peterson. They haven't done any of that, instead they have only been looking for Harvin and occasionally Rudolph, and Peterson has had to carry the load by himself most of the time, if he wasn't superhuman they probably would be about 1-11. Ponder has gone steadily downhill this year, and with Peterson, Harvin, and Rudolph in the lineup this offense should be able to keep teams on their heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 For clarity, I am not a Vikings fan. But, I tend to look at my favorite team and all other teams through non-biased glasses. There have been a lot of excuses for Ponder, but most are now seeing that he isn't the answer. First it was he need more games to get a feel for the NFL. Then it's not having good enough receivers. Then it's something else. Look at Luck in Indy. You're probably thinking that you can't compare Luck to Ponder...Luck came out of college with much more fanfare and promise than Ponder. But, Ponder was still the 12th overall pick of the 1st round. Luck's only notable receiver is the 150 year old Reggie Wayne. However, Luck still is still getting the ball downfield....WITHOUT the league's best running back. Also, Luck is only in his first year, whereas Ponder is in his second, that should be a huge leg up. You have to allow for mistakes with young QB's. You want them to try and see what plays they can make and which ones they can't. Not many will realize that Luck had 3 INT's, but that he had 4 TD's and won the game. Those INT's are part of the learning curve of a good young QB. Ponder isn't taking any chances downfield whatsoever, which means he shouldn't be throwing any INT's, yet he still threw 2 yesterday. If you don't have the guts to throw it down the field, but you're still turning the ball over, you're in trouble. You don't need great WR's to be a capable NFL QB. QB's make the WR's look good more often than not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 3, 2012 Author Share Posted December 3, 2012 "GO PACK GO!!!" My youngest daughter was at the game yesterday & she texted me that several times I don't know where I went wrong or maybe she saw me cry a few times being a Vikings fan & wanted to be a fan of a winning club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 "GO PACK GO!!!" My youngest daughter was at the game yesterday & she texted me that several times I don't know where I went wrong or maybe she saw me cry a few times being a Vikings fan & wanted to be a fan of a winning club ? Real fans stick with their teams.......win or lose. And Vikings fans have definitely learned how to stick to the program during bad times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 We are real Fans Her pukers me Vikes & she knows her FB (I have watched or listened to most games since 73) As I have got older & ache for a good team it has become a Love / Hate sorta deal for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We are real Fans Her pukers me Vikes & she knows her FB (I have watched or listened to most games since 73) As I have got older & ache for a good team it has become a Love / Hate sorta deal for me I believe you; I was taking a shot at some of the bandwagon-jumpers in our society today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 Some of you may have seen this already...it was quite entertaining and filled with a lot of good points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 4, 2012 Author Share Posted December 4, 2012 I'm not quite there but close Ponder needs to take a week or two off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 I saw this posted on facebook and got a good chuckle out of it... "The Christian Ponder/Samantha Steele nuptials will be the first NFL wedding without a reception" -the 'Common Man' Dan Cole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 10, 2012 Author Share Posted December 10, 2012 Like they said on tv yesterday AP is going to need back surgery after this year - from carrying the whole team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdahl Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Like they said on tv yesterday AP is going to need back surgery after this year - from carrying the whole team It just feels like such a missed opportunity. We're wasting his prime years, where if we had any pass threat this team could be an offensive juggernaut. I'm not a huge Webb fan, but don't see much downside to giving him a shot. Even in a win, Ponder went 11/17 for 91 yards. In the last three games his QB rating was 58.2, 41.9, and 53.8. Here's a good article from before the Chicago game about Ponder's last six games: A Look At Ponder's Most Recent Six Games Both the Bears and Packers losses were winnable. I just don't see what we hope to learn from 3 more weeks of Ponder before inevitably cutting him loose in the off-season. He might luck out and squeak into the playoffs, but then are we just cursed with another year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 The other thing I find frustrating is that they say they're sticking with Ponder so he can continue to develop and learn. Well...when your game plan is to turn and hand the ball to AD 30+ times, what exactly is Ponder learning? Basically they're telling him just to be ready to throw a check-down on 3rd and short. During yesterday's game, the Vikings got the ball with just under two minutes left in the first half and a couple timeouts. Most teams would love to have that opportunity to put more points on the board. True to form, the Vikes did nothing with it because they don't have a QB capable of moving them down the field. In fact...they gained only about 15 yards and Ponder got picked on a deep ball with :32 left in the half. I guess it was a good as a punt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodcon Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Both the Bears and Packers losses were winnable. I just don't see what we hope to learn from 3 more weeks of Ponder before inevitably cutting him loose in the off-season. He might luck out and squeak into the playoffs, but then are we just cursed with another year? We are stuck with Ponder as long as Frazier is coach, he can't admit he's not the answer. We're in the same boat as Jets fans are with Rex Ryan and Sanchez...Sanchez is terrible and everybody knows it, but Ryan won't go elsewhere (not that Tebow is the answer either, but they need to do something). And winning games like they did yesterday is not going to push Frazier to make a move either, with Minnesota holding on to a slim playoff possibility and a winnable game with St. Louis next week there is no doubt Ponder will be finishing up this year and starting next year. The game yesterday pretty much summarizes the whole Viking year: Peterson breaks off some big runs early and they take a lead Frazier immediately switches to his not-to-lose mentality and puts his balls in his pocket early Chicago starts coming back Vikings luck out and get a pick 6, up 14 End of the Vikings offense, we are now committed to running out the clock with 3:27 left in the third Chicago moves the ball and looks like they will close the gap and a miracle happens...Hester drops a TD pass with 4:00 left Vikings do nothing on offense for the 8th straight drive Chicago gets it back and scores and can't recover the onside kick I have no doubt in my mind if Hester catches that pass this game ends up in OT. Notice how that whole summary you didn't see Ponders name once? That's because he did nothing to win this game. The only way Ponder isn't under center starting next year is if they somehow end up with a free agent or someone who's cut loose and the one that comes to mind...and I hate to think about it...is Vick. That's the kind of move this team is famous for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 It just feels like such a missed opportunity. We're wasting his prime years, where if we had any pass threat this team could be an offensive juggernaut. I'm not a huge Webb fan, but don't see much downside to giving him a shot. Even in a win, Ponder went 11/17 for 91 yards. In the last three games his QB rating was 58.2, 41.9, and 53.8. Here's a good article from before the Chicago game about Ponder's last six games: A Look At Ponder's Most Recent Six Games Both the Bears and Packers losses were winnable. I just don't see what we hope to learn from 3 more weeks of Ponder before inevitably cutting him loose in the off-season. He might luck out and squeak into the playoffs, but then are we just cursed with another year? This statement makes me think about the Barry Sanders years in Detroit. Hopefully we can get him some help in the offseason. This team isn't that far off, but unfortunately one of the two pieces (QB and WR) we need help in is a pretty big one (QB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreyAnt41 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 We are stuck with Ponder as long as Frazier is coach, he can't admit he's not the answer. Sound a bit like the Childress/Tavaris Jackson scenario, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodcon Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Sound a bit like the Childress/Tavaris Jackson scenario, too. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall Childress made the decision to draft T-Jack, whereas Spielman made the decision to draft Ponder. I kind of want to give Frazier the benefit of the doubt that he's just carrying out orders in continuing to start Ponder despite all the evidence that the guy is not an NFL quarterback. Frazier doesn't strike me as being anywhere near as stubborn and hard-headed as Childress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodcon Posted December 10, 2012 Share Posted December 10, 2012 Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall Childress made the decision to draft T-Jack, whereas Spielman made the decision to draft Ponder. I kind of want to give Frazier the benefit of the doubt that he's just carrying out orders in continuing to start Ponder despite all the evidence that the guy is not an NFL quarterback. Frazier doesn't strike me as being anywhere near as stubborn and hard-headed as Childress. That might be true, but he can't let his own career be flattened because he won't pull the trigger and at least look at somebody else. He's had chances to put Webb in against Chicago a few weeks ago and TB before that and hasn't, they play at Houston in 2 weeks, chances are that game will get out of hand and he will have a chance to let Webb take some snaps, if they get significantly down and he doesn't give Webb some snaps then he never will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 14, 2012 Author Share Posted December 14, 2012 I wish they would let Webb have a shot with no restrictions tell him to make RGIII look like a child (Note I think RGIII is great) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted December 19, 2012 Author Share Posted December 19, 2012 Good article & videos of AP http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000113703/article/adrian-peterson-minnesota-vikings-win-with-oldschool-style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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