82SiouxGuy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 And I just pointed out that you have to support a minimum level to remain in Division I. You can't have just a hockey team and no other sports, even if some people would like to do that. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I told you clowns that it wasn't the end of the world, LOL, but you guys KILLED me on that thread. All of my Packer fan friends now SWEAR that they thought Ted Thompson was right all along. Riiiiight. You were/are wise beyond your years, young fella! Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 After 2012-2013 season you won't be waiting for a Gopher game. How big was the line for a UND-Northern Michigan game in 88-89 or a UND-CC game. Not that long. And that'll be true REGARDLESS of whether it's Sioux or Glittery Unicorns as the nickname. Ummm...88-89 NMU games were unbelievable...and the crowds were pretty good in the following years as NMU was solid in '88-'92 and won the national title in '91. Best UND home game I ever saw was the Sioux coming back from a 5-0 third period deficit against the Wildcats to earn a 5-5 OT tie. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Luckily the lines will be alot shorter in the future since Minnesota won't be coming back to Grand Forks.............................. I'm a broken record...change the nickname tomorrow and they won't be coming back to Grand Forks any more than once every 5-10 years anyways. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I'm shocked you went into another forum other than the Hockey or Nickname ones. Do ya think maybe the poor attendance at basketball games has anything at all to do with a crappy schedule that is the result of no conference affilitation? During my time at UND, I rarely missed a football, hockey, men's basketball, OR women's basketball game. Just an FYI for you since you think I'm a hockey nut. Do you Sioux hockey players get up for a game against Michigan Tech because they're an in-conference rival or might be more excited about a non-conference game against BC or Maine? Quote
bincitysioux Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I'm a broken record...change the nickname tomorrow and they won't be coming back to Grand Forks any more than once every 5-10 years anyways. It is not out of the realm of possibility that UND could come to agreements with both Minnesota and Wisconsin that they play one series per year, alternating the home venue each year. Hell Schlossman said the deal was nearly done with Wisco in his blog today. Stay on the sanctions list and that possibility is gone. Quote
bincitysioux Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 During my time at UND, I rarely missed a football, hockey, men's basketball, OR women's basketball game. Just an FYI for you since you think I'm a hockey nut. Do you Sioux hockey players get up for a game against Michigan Tech because they're an in-conference rival or might be more excited about a non-conference game against BC or Maine? I would think they'd rather play BC than Michigan Tech. I don't know about Maine.............. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 You were/are wise beyond your years, young fella! You and I had quite the back-and-forth on that thread...I'll take your comment here as a compliment. Rodgers is a great QB...and I personally think Favre will jump off a cliff if Aaron wins one more Super Bowl. Quote
Popular Post iramurphy Posted February 10, 2012 Popular Post Posted February 10, 2012 We can all agree that Mr. Fullerton said that it takes a unanamous vote from all 11 presidents of the Big Sky to kick us out. That is fact, so I propose one question for everyone both sides of the issue. Wouldn't you think our university president, Mr. Kelly, would be forging partnerships and relationships with these presidents to assure this would not happen? For God's sake he doesn't need all 11 in his favor, he just needs one! Is he so inept that he can't get one on his side? That is pretty piss poor if you ask me. He obviously doesn't have confidence he can because of his gloom and doom rehtoric. Mr. Kelley has said in the past that the Montana's look forward to the academic partnerships that they could persue. Well pursue them then...let's forge some relationships and partnerships. Our state and this University have a lot going for it so let's get together with these guys and make it happen. I ask you this...if Tom Clifford was at the helm would our stance with the Big Sky be in peril? He would have at least one if not many of the Big Sky presidents in his favor. It's time for Mr. Kelley to lead and not follow! You don't think he is doing that??? Kelly didn't put us in his mess. One mistake Kelly has made is to resume use of the name so soon. If he was told by the SBoHE then he had, to but I would have done nothing with the name until forced to. He and others are going to have to spend a lot of money and time to defeat this dumb-ass legislation. I worked for Clifford and visited with him years ago and again in the last few years prior to his death. Anyone who thinks Tom Clifford would be supporting the petition or legislation to force UND to keep the name didn't know the man. He was a UND guy. Most of us are UND guys. We are big hockey fans. We are also big BB, VB, swimming, baseball, track, fans. We want our aviation program to be the best in the country. We want our Engineering Dept. to thrive. We want new programming to thrive and we want great facilities for our students and faculty. That was more who Tom Clifford was. He would not have allowed Hakstol to send a dumb ass email without a very quick visit to his office and reprimand. He would have been working behind the scenes and with legislators, and students, and his colleagues at the AC to make sure this petition didn't get off the ground and if it did it would be defeated. There is nothing about this name right now that is good for UND. Everything people have been concerned about is coming to fruition. The Big Sky membership is in jeopardy. The future of our hockey schedules is screwed. Womens hockey is screwed for hosting playoffs. How much worse does anyone want this to get before they say we need to wise up. There may be something someone in the can come up with that may help but right now it is the litigation by Spirit Lake that holds any promise for the return of the name without hurting the school and without hurting hockey. Simple as that. Sixpack or Kolpack if that is you, your claim that the Big Sky is bluffing has no basis. Do we believe you or do we believe UND officials who have been working with the Big Sky and Fullerton himself. Ther eare people dumb enough to believe what you claim so they tell their friends about "scare tactics and this all being a bluff". Gotta be pretty stubborn or stupid or both not to see the wrtitning on the wall. We heard from these same characters that once the Governor, and legislators met with the NCAA they would change their stance. Not only did they not change their stance, they thumbed their noses at us. Anyone with any interest in UND and that includes UND hockey must oppose this for the sake of the University and the hockey program. Are we as a team and University better off with or without the name? Right now it appears we are much better off without the name and the evidence conitnues to build. 14 Quote
iramurphy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I would think they'd rather play BC than Michigan Tech. I don't know about Maine.............. But they don't get up for that game because of the name. The tradition of the program and those that have come before them but not the name. Quote
Fetch Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Ira no FB ? ? ?....that's as far as I made it before I needed a nap Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Ira no FB ? ? ?....that's as far as I made it before I needed a nap You should go see a doctor. You really seem to have a hard time reading more than baaaaaaa. Quote
CAS4127 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 When this vote comes up in June, the last thing you have to worry about is NDSU fans voting for it. Some will, some won't. But from the buzz thats been going on my facebook, all the UND fans I know sure seem excited to get the opportunity to vote for keeping the name. This thing is going to pass unless their is a HUGE change in public perception between now and then. The misinformation out there is what I would be concerned about. I have heard from no less than 5 people who believe if the state law is reinstated, the NCAA will step aside. Like others have said (paraphrasing), people like us who read/participate in fanboards are informed-->the same is not true for the general public, especially those that don't follow things closely. Quote
Oxbow6 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The misinformation out there is what I would be concerned about. I have heard from no less than 5 people who believe if the state law is reinstated, the NCAA will step aside. Like others have said (paraphrasing), people like us who read/participate in fanboards are informed-->the same is not true for the general public, especially those that don't follow things closely. I have thought quietly to myself about this same point. I didn't want to bring it up as to get taken to the woodshed on this site. I guess I don't know how far reaching is the NCAA's continued strong arming will go if it goes to the citizens of ND for a vote and it gets 2/3rd approval and becomes reinstated, again, as a state law. I assume they would hold the course, but... Quote
CAS4127 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I have thought quietly to myself about this same point. I didn't want to bring it up as to get taken to the woodshed on this site. I guess I don't know how far reaching is the NCAA's continued strong arming will go if it goes to the citizens of ND for a vote and it gets 2/3rd approval and becomes reinstated, again, as a state law. I assume they would hold the course, but... I don't think I articulated clearly what I was trying say. What I meant to say is that there are people out there that believe the NCAA must step aside if Carlson's law is put back in place because it is a state law voted on by the people of the state (that's what they think this petition thing is about), not that the NCAA will step aside because of the statewide vote. In other words, they have no clue about what is actually going on. Now, add what you just posted, and do the math-->there are thousands of misinformed people out there, whether under my example, yours, both, or a combination of both and others. My guess is that we will either get a court ruling or AG opinion prior to June holding/stating that Carlson's law is unconstitutional, just as many of us have stated since the day it was enacted. I don't think the issue will get before the North Dakota Supreme Court before June unless there is some expedited procedure that can be used. What a waste of time, human resources and money tho . . . . . . . . 1 Quote
PhillySioux Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 UND Alumni Association speaks http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/350376/ Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I have thought quietly to myself about this same point. I didn't want to bring it up as to get taken to the woodshed on this site. I guess I don't know how far reaching is the NCAA's continued strong arming will go if it goes to the citizens of ND for a vote and it gets 2/3rd approval and becomes reinstated, again, as a state law. I assume they would hold the course, but... Just look at the issue that the NCAA has with the Confederate flag in Mississippi and South Carolina. That has been going on for about 10 years now, both states have their use of the flag in state law. I believe that in the case of South Carolina it would take either 60% or 2/3 majority to change the law. The NCAA has not backed down and have gotten the ACC and the SEC to adopt similar bans for tournaments in those states. THE NCAA WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR POSITION ON THE SANCTIONS. Not even if it goes into the constitution. That is the message that has to get out to people. Quote
jdub27 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 UND Alumni Association speaks http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/350376/ Great move on their part. Can't wait to hear O'Keefe discredited now as well... Quote
ScottM Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 UND Alumni Association speaks http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/350376/ I honestly don't see how the situation facing UND could be made any more clear by O'Keefe. Quote
bincitysioux Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 UND Alumni Association speaks http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/350376/ Honestly, the Alumni Association needs to get serious before this vote takes place about taking out newspaper ads, TV commercials, radio ads, etc to get the facts out there to the voters about the potential ramifications before they hit the polls. It would help to get some notable former Sioux players/coaches to publically get behind the retirement of the name i.e. Lennon, Roger Thomas, Rich Glas, Kleinsasser, Guldseth, etc..................... I highly doubt that while Frank Black Cloud and Reed Soderstrom were telling people the merits of signing the petition to preserve the name, they were also explaining what it would be like to not have conference affiliation for 18 of the 20 UND sports.............. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Honestly, the Alumni Association needs to get serious before this vote takes place about taking out newspaper ads, TV commercials, radio ads, etc to get the facts out there to the voters about the potential ramifications before they hit the polls. It would help to get some notable former Sioux players/coaches to publically get behind the retirement of the name i.e. Lennon, Roger Thomas, Rich Glas, Kleinsasser, Guldseth, etc..................... And some high profile, respected UND alumni, such as a couple former governors (Schafer, Olson) and such. Quote
MafiaMan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I highly doubt that while Frank Black Cloud and Reed Soderstrom were telling people the merits of signing the petition to preserve the name, they were also explaining what it would be like to not have conference affiliation for 18 of the 20 UND sports.............. People simply refuse to believe that Native Americans can actually have their own opinion on this nickname issue. First, we want you on our side to keep the nickname...now we want the nickname to go, so please follow along and retire it? Tim O'Keefe has his opinion...and so does Frank Black Cloud. I respect the rights of both to voice theirs. Quote
iramurphy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 UND Alumni Association speaks http://www.inforum.c...icle/id/350376/ O'Keefe who wsa also a hockey player and certainly more of an insider than any of us on this board makes it clear. This is a problem for UND and UND hockey. UND hockey starts the transition to a new conference next year and things are not going as smoothly as we would like. At one time we hoped we might get some Hockey East schools and Notre Dame. Didn't happen. Hockey is too important at UND to lose any more ground than we have too. This is not hockey vs UND, or Vs FB , or vs all other sports. O'Keefe makes that pretty clear. Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I figure that there are 4 groups that signed the petition and are pushing to keep the name. There may be more but here is my list: Hockey only crowd - don't care about the university as a whole or the rest of our teamsThe anti PC people- Scott Hennen and his stable of neo-cons, they're gonna show the gov't who's boss, problem is the NCAA is a club, not the gov't Anti UND people - who want to do us harmThose that don't realize the harm that it will do. Any guesses out there on % of petition signers that fall into each category? Quote
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