Conference Realignments - Take 2

[UNDBIZ]

22 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

It only took the guy three posts to say something more offensive than anything Sioux Volley has ever said.  Pretty impressive. 

Is that typical of everyone from ndsu?   If so I’m truly sorry about the state of higher education in fargo and no longer confused about ndsu's reputation.  

[Gothmog]

Time to shut this thread down. It has no purpose but to provide a forum for the personal agendas of a few posters.

 

[UNDBIZ]

59 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Time to shut this thread down. It has no purpose but to provide a forum for the personal agendas of a few posters.

Quit reading it.

[SiouxVolley]

It’s so amazing that the WAC will be down to five full DI members after 2020, GCU, NMSU, Seattle, UVU, and UTRGV, but the trolls want to shut this thread down.  Not having seven full DI members gives the NCAA the right to take away all the WAC’s bids by dissolving it.  Dixie St and California Baptist don’t count.  The WAC needs to find new fully DI schools by next summer.

The WAC is the only non football conference that can invite schools to FBS, so its spots will be in demand.  Have said Sam Houston St, Lamar, McNeese St, maybe UIW, UTRGV, UC Davis, Sac St and Cal Poly will accept the WAC’s offer, and then UVU, Dixie St and Seattle will scurry to the Big Sky.  ORU and UMKC will then join the Texas-based eastern division and the Summit will be screwed.

But then out of no where, the Montanas, Idaho, EWU and Weber St will be so sickened by the new Big Sky that they will join the Summit.

The only contribution that bison trolls have made in the thread is stating their AD’s position, which is “NDSU has no plans to move to FBS in the near term” as proof that NDSU will never move up.  Suspect the football teams in the WAC and Summit will stay FCS until 2022, and then move up.  The Summit will have all the FCS teams under its new league and then they will all be WAC affiliates with North and South divisions until their fully FBS.

The key date to shoot for is 2025, when the CFP contract will be renewed and each G5 team gets a couple million a year under the new estimated terms.

[SIOUXFAN97]

11 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

It’s so amazing that the WAC will be down to five full DI members after 2020, GCU, NMSU, Seattle, UVU, and UTRGV, but the trolls want to shut this thread down.  Not having seven full DI members gives the NCAA the right to take away all the WAC’s bids by dissolving it.  The WAC needs to find new teams by next summer.

The WAC is the only non football conference that can invite schools to FBS, so its spots will be in demand.  Have said Sam Houston St, Lamar, McNeese St, maybe UIW, UTRGV, UC Davis, Sac St and Cal Poly will accept the WAC’s offer, and then UVU, Dixie St and Seattle will scurry to the Big Sky.  ORU and UMKC will then join the Texas-based eastern division and the Summit will be screwed.

But then out of no where, the Montanas, Idaho, EWU and Weber St will be so sickened by the new Big Sky that they will join the Summit.

The only contribution that bison trolls have made in the thread is stating their AD’s position, which is “NDSU has no plans to move to FBS in the near term” as proof that NDSU will never move up.  Suspect the football teams in the WAC and Summit will stay FCS until 2022, and then move up.  The Summit will have all the FCS teams under its new league and then they will all be WAC affiliates with North and South divisions until their fully FBS.

chicago state is officially gone?

[SiouxVolley]

15 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

chicago state is officially gone?

They will be out shortly after the audit.  Have less than 1500 students and hemmoraghing everywhere.  Very little endowment and a public school.  They only are a WAC school by contract, not a full member like the other schools, so the WAC doesn’t have to vote them out but only refuse to renew their contract.

The WAC needed them for numbers for almost ten years and they won’t need them shortly as few schools want to be associated with the dumpster fire but the WAC chose to because it was in dire straights.

[zonadub]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

... Dixie St and California Baptist don’t count.  The WAC needs to find new fully DI schools by next summer...

Could/would the WAC apply for an extension like the Summit did in anticipation of Dixie and Cal Baptist completing their transition, giving them the extra time they need?

[SiouxVolley]

51 minutes ago, zonadub said:

Could/would the WAC apply for an extension like the Summit did in anticipation of Dixie and Cal Baptist completing their transition, giving them the extra time they need?

My understanding if a conference falls below seven full DI members, there is no grace period and the conference is dead.  There are different rules for single sports conferences.

Dixie St would need four more years if a rule existed and only two years of grace are given for other circumstances.

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

It’s so amazing that the WAC will be down to five full DI members after 2020, GCU, NMSU, Seattle, UVU, and UTRGV, but the trolls want to shut this thread down.  Not having seven full DI members gives the NCAA the right to take away all the WAC’s bids by dissolving it.  Dixie St and California Baptist don’t count.  The WAC needs to find new fully DI schools by next summer.

The WAC is the only non football conference that can invite schools to FBS, so its spots will be in demand.  Have said Sam Houston St, Lamar, McNeese St, maybe UIW, UTRGV, UC Davis, Sac St and Cal Poly will accept the WAC’s offer, and then UVU, Dixie St and Seattle will scurry to the Big Sky.  ORU and UMKC will then join the Texas-based eastern division and the Summit will be screwed.

But then out of no where, the Montanas, Idaho, EWU and Weber St will be so sickened by the new Big Sky that they will join the Summit.

Volley, please respond to this comment:

That seems like a lot of moving parts. And it's already August 2019. How can all that happen in your time frame (meaning before 2022)? 

[SiouxVolley]

27 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Volley, please respond to this comment:

That seems like a lot of moving parts. And it's already August 2019. How can all that happen in your time frame (meaning before 2022)? 

The WAC has to make major changes to survive.  Most of these moves should be done this school year.  The final FBS announcement won’t likely be until 2022, but that doesn’t mean they made the decision in 2022, but when the WAC football blew up.  It was too late for to qualify for the CFP contract then, so FBS wasn’t cost effective for the schools listed until 2025.

[The Sicatoka]

16 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

The WAC has to make major changes to survive.  Most of these moves should be done this school year.  

I agree with that much; but, how do we know the WAC isn't just going to acquiesce to implosion and join the Southwest Conference in NCAA history. That said ... 

[SiouxVolley]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I agree with that much; but, how do we know the WAC isn't just going to acquiesce to implosion and join the Southwest Conference in NCAA history. 

Because the  WAC is the wannabe FBS schools free pass to FBS.  Those schools need it to fill their goals.  To go the route of Liberty might not be possible and can take time aNd extra money.

[SWSiouxMN]

6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I agree with that much; but, how do we know the WAC isn't just going to acquiesce to implosion and join the Southwest Conference in NCAA history. 

If they decide to do that....

Douple better be running to Lac Cruces. 

[The Sicatoka]

You're speculating that 5 DI schools (and one in transition) will bring in 2 DI transitioners and still be able to lure in 4 to 8 existing FCS schools while losing two members to other conferences and evicting another. 

Volley, I enjoy your thoughts and insights, but this seems like something only Rube Goldberg could fathom and have happen in 2.5 years. Again, lots of moving pieces that seem disjointed. Response? 

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Because the  WAC is the wannabe FBS schools free pass to FBS.  Those schools need it to fill their goals.  

So why hasn't that golden ticket to FBS that the WAC still possesses been utilized yet by anyone? 

[SiouxVolley]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

You're speculating that 5 DI schools (and one in transition) will bring in 2 DI transitioners and still be able to lure in 4 to 8 existing FCS schools while losing two members to other conferences and evicting another. 

Volley, I enjoy your thoughts and insights, but this seems like something only Rube Goldberg could fathom and have happen in 2.5 years. Again, lots of moving pieces that seem disjointed. Response? 

Funny, I was called the Rube Goldberg engineer because I could devise ways to get a complex chemical batches on spec saving millions of dollars.  The schools have had time to get to their desired higher conference with the least expense and following NCAA rules.

 

[The Sicatoka]

Just now, SiouxVolley said:

The schools have had time to get to their desired higher conference with the least expense and following NCAA rules.

And given all the "moving pieces" how could none of this leak.
Yes, it's just presidents and AD that make the vision calls.
But, office workers do the ground work to make it happen, ... and they leak. 

[SiouxVolley]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

So why hasn't that golden ticket to FBS that the WAC still possesses been utilized yet by anyone? 

Because a single school moving up without FBS conference mates would have a nearly impossible expense and scheduling problem.  Moving up multitudes of FCS schools to FBS is so much cheaper as the conference provides the FBS opponents and they are all equally prepared.

[The Sicatoka]

Just now, SiouxVolley said:

Because a single school moving up without FBS conference mates would have a nearly impossible expense and scheduling problem.  Moving up multitudes of FCS schools to FBS is so much cheaper as the conference provides the FBS opponents and they are all equally prepared.

You're saying nobody wants a golden ticket unless six others are getting them and they're all in the same boat (schedule, finances) because nobody could survive it alone. 

Now that (logically, fiscally, and logistically) is a tough response to counter.

But again, lots of moving parts without leaks. 

[SiouxVolley]

16 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

And given all the "moving pieces" how could none of this leak.
Yes, it's just presidents and AD that make the vision calls.
But, office workers do the ground work to make it happen, ... and they leak. 

Our AD move from EWU was a major sign.  EWU is still struggling with financing and building a stadium to FBS standards (15,000 seats) even with the new AD from UTSA, who has FBS transition experience.

Sam Houston St and Lamar both were on record before WAC FBS collapsed as wanting FBS, even approaching the Sunbelt before being turned down in favor of Coastal Carolina.  They haven’t said anything since, although both are still growing, but have presumably been satisfied that they would get a WAC slot when the WAC was ready for a whole group.

UIW and McNeese St both had articles in local papers lately that they were considering a move to FBS.  The SunBelt is full.

Cal Poly and UC Davis both want to expand their stadiums to more than 15,000 and soon.

Was wrong about a move up early with Idaho as the CFP wouldn’t have been part of it for seven years.  That is nearly $10 million per team in lost revenue.

[nodak651]

56 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Our AD move from EWU was a major sign.  EWU is still struggling with financing and building a stadium to FBS standards (15,000 seats) even with the new AD from UTSA, who has FBS transition experience.

Sam Houston St and Lamar both were on record before WAC FBS collapsed as wanting FBS, even approaching the Sunbelt before being turned down in favor of Coastal Carolina.  They haven’t said anything since, although both are still growing, but have presumably been satisfied that they would get a WAC slot when the WAC was ready for a whole group.

UIW and McNeese St both had articles in local papers lately that they were considering a move to FBS.  The SunBelt is full.

Cal Poly and UC Davis both want to expand their stadiums to more than 15,000 and soon.

Was wrong about a move up early with Idaho as the CFP wouldn’t have been part of it for seven years.  That is nearly $10 million per team in lost revenue.

Any apologies for those who you bashed for not being able to "read the tea leaves".

[SWSiouxMN]

Here we go:

 

[goyotes]

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1158496677931704320

[SIOUXFAN97]

is the horizon league losing someone or just a good fit and strenght in numbers at this point

[SIOUXFAN97]

and please let us take on st cloud or minnesota state instead of ugie.....3 schools in sd is 1 too many.