SiouxForever Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 1:23 AM, UNDMOORHEAD said: I guess my thoughts on our current D group is that their ceiling remains to be seen. They may get a little better or they may get a lot better. For Shaw and Wolanin this is the first year at this level that they're playing meaningful minutes and then you got three freshmen. Hard to hide them like you could with freshmen last year. Another thing I thought about was we haven't sent a lot of defensemen to the NHL in the last decade. Maybe that's why some of the better guys don't come here, I don't know. You hear guys like Jost or Caggs talk about Toews and that probably being the thing that put us on the radar for them. We just don't have a defensemen equivalent of Toews, Parise, Oshie, etc for younger guys to look at and wonder about the path they took to the NHL. Expand Could be overthinking this. Name the top 10 D in the NHL. Not too many of them played college hockey - Burns, Karlsson, Doughty, Carlson, Keith (well played brief at Mich St) Hedman, Weber, Seabrrok, Subban etc. Matt Greene - Has won 2 cups and has a great NHL career. That should be enough from a marketing standpoint. Quote
Irish Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 1:48 AM, SiouxForever said: Could be overthinking this. Name the top 10 D in the NHL. Not too many of them played college hockey - Burns, Karlsson, Doughty, Carlson, Keith (well played brief at Mich St) Hedman, Weber, Seabrrok, Subban etc. Matt Greene - Has won 2 cups and has a great NHL career. That should be enough from a marketing standpoint. Expand I think we have as many or more marketing tools as any school in the country. Quote
UNDMOORHEAD Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 1:48 AM, SiouxForever said: Could be overthinking this. Name the top 10 D in the NHL. Not too many of them played college hockey - Burns, Karlsson, Doughty, Carlson, Keith (well played brief at Mich St) Hedman, Weber, Seabrrok, Subban etc. Matt Greene - Has won 2 cups and has a great NHL career. That should be enough from a marketing standpoint. Expand Ryan Suter would be the top one I would think. Matt Greene isn't really a household name. Greene, Forbort, Chorney, and Stetcher are the guys for us that are regulars this year. No all-stars or guys playing for the national teams. I'm just speculating anyway. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it or not. I would bet guys like Toews, Parise, Oshie, etc help when recruiting a player along with everything else. Quote
burd Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 2:14 AM, UNDMOORHEAD said: Ryan Suter would be the top one I would think. Matt Greene isn't really a household name. Greene, Forbort, Chorney, and Stetcher are the guys for us that are regulars this year. No all-stars or guys playing for the national teams. I'm just speculating anyway. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it or not. I would bet guys like Toews, Parise, Oshie, etc help when recruiting a player along with everything else. Expand Suter definitely. Quietly MVP material. Quote
scpa0305 Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 12:41 AM, UNDMOORHEAD said: You don't need high enders if you bring in the right guys. (Stetcher, Ladue, Poolman) Also remember a guy like Finley. It's not an exact science, but you can find gems that aren't first or second rounders. Expand Exactly, Berry does a great job. However high enders on average will be better than the later round or undrafted guys. UND definitely hit on a few guys several years ago but you can't expect every over ager that comes in to be the next stecher. If that was the case bubs would be making the big big bucks in the NHL. It seems many of these higher end kids went elsewhere the last few years. As noted before we have some really nice dmen in the pipeline they are just a few years away. In the short term we'll be working with more of a "team" mold. Like most other schools we play against Quote
UNDMOORHEAD Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 12:14 PM, scpa0305 said: Exactly, Berry does a great job. However high enders on average will be better than the later round or undrafted guys. UND definitely hit on a few guys several years ago but you can't expect every over ager that comes in to be the next stecher. If that was the case bubs would be making the big big bucks in the NHL. It seems many of these higher end kids went elsewhere the last few years. As noted before we have some really nice dmen in the pipeline they are just a few years away. In the short term we'll be working with more of a "team" mold. Like most other schools we play against Expand I did say earlier in the thread that you're not going to get a Caggs or Stetch every year. Just trying to point out that first round draft picks aren't always necessary. I look at the make up of last years team is ideal. First round talent mixed in with four year guys like Caggs and Stetch. Also guys like Sanderson who stick it out for four years riding the bench for most of it to later contribute as a senior. Quote
brianvf Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 10:56 PM, UNDMOORHEAD said: First round talent mixed in with four year guys like Caggs and Stetch. Expand I really wish Stecher would have stay for his senior year. Would have drastically changed the dynamic of this team. Looking at how they have done in the NHL though, he (and Schmaltz) were ready for the jump. 1 Quote
scpa0305 Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 On 1/24/2017 at 10:56 PM, UNDMOORHEAD said: I did say earlier in the thread that you're not going to get a Caggs or Stetch every year. Just trying to point out that first round draft picks aren't always necessary. I look at the make up of last years team is ideal. First round talent mixed in with four year guys like Caggs and Stetch. Also guys like Sanderson who stick it out for four years riding the bench for most of it to later contribute as a senior. Expand Exactly, you just have guys like Caggs and Stech.....that's the tricky part. Quote
ChadR Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 It is my hunch that we will never see Gabe Bast in a UND uniform. Quote
scpa0305 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 6:12 AM, ChadR said: It is my hunch that we will never see Gabe Bast in a UND uniform. Expand Depends on what's really going on with him. Everything they are saying is it's lower body. I initially thought it was a concussion issue but I guess it's not. When he plays he's pretty good. Quote
cberkas Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 2:21 PM, scpa0305 said: Depends on what's really going on with him. Everything they are saying is it's lower body. I initially thought it was a concussion issue but I guess it's not. When he plays he's pretty good. Expand It was something with his groin. Quote
I Ranger Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 6:12 AM, ChadR said: It is my hunch that we will never see Gabe Bast in a UND uniform. Expand If that is the case and the big question mark on whether or not Evers is still in the plans, Berry and company are really going to have to get on their horse and find some solid D recruits for next season. Quote
scpa0305 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 4:14 PM, I Ranger said: If that is the case and the big question mark on whether or not Evers is still in the plans, Berry and company are really going to have to get on their horse and find some solid D recruits for next season. Expand C. Poolman, C. Wolanin, H. Shaw, C. Johnson, A. Peski, D. Chartrand, J. Reiger There's only room for 1 more (obviously assuming Wolanin doesnt leave). Evers and/or Bast should come in. That's a pretty thin D core. On a side note, is Gabe Bast playing junior B hockey? Looks as though he has 0 points in 5 games since joining the Surrey Knights. I really hope that there is a technical glitch on elite prospects. Quote
OgieOgilthorpe Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 4:43 PM, scpa0305 said: C. Poolman, C. Wolanin, H. Shaw, C. Johnson, A. Peski, D. Chartrand, J. Reiger There's only room for 1 more (obviously assuming Wolanin doesnt leave). Evers and/or Bast should come in. That's a pretty thin D core. On a side note, is Gabe Bast playing junior B hockey? Looks as though he has 0 points in 5 games since joining the Surrey Knights. I really hope that there is a technical glitch on elite prospects. Expand Why would wolanin leave?? To play jr Bs in Minnesota? Lawlz 1 Quote
scpa0305 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 4:59 PM, OgieOgilthorpe said: Why would wolanin leave?? To play jr Bs in Minnesota? Lawlz Expand I'm pretty sure he received a pro offer after his freshman year. I'm assuming he'll get one this spring as well. He definitely needs another year so I'm assuming he doesn't leave. I think he is much better than most on this forum. 4 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 5:11 PM, scpa0305 said: I'm pretty sure he received a pro offer after his freshman year. I'm assuming he'll get one this spring as well. He definitely needs another year so I'm assuming he doesn't leave. I think he is much better than most on this forum. Expand Wolanin is a very, very talented hockey player. Has he struggled this year, at times, defensively? Absolutely. However, he absolutely has elite skills on the blueline, offensively. 1 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 5:18 PM, stoneySIOUX said: Wolanin is a very, very talented hockey player. Has he struggled this year, at times, defensively? Absolutely. However, he absolutely has elite skills on the blueline, offensively. Expand Agreed, the talent is there, the consistency is what has been missing. I'm sure he'll figure it out. I'm a fan, hope he ends up as a 4 year player. 1 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 5:43 PM, siouxfan512 said: Agreed, the talent is there, the consistency is what has been missing. I'm sure he'll figure it out. I'm a fan, hope he ends up as a 4 year player. Expand Ditto and I think he will, too. Quote
scpa0305 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 5:46 PM, stoneySIOUX said: Ditto and I think he will, too. Expand Tied for 4th on the team in +/- (second when looking specifically at dmen). 1 Quote
siouxfan512 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 When does Tychonik come in? Not for another 2 seasons? Also, we have had a nice pipeline from Penticton recently, any more Def prospect that we could nab for next season? Quote
cberkas Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 4:43 PM, scpa0305 said: C. Poolman, C. Wolanin, H. Shaw, C. Johnson, A. Peski, D. Chartrand, J. Reiger There's only room for 1 more (obviously assuming Wolanin doesnt leave). Evers and/or Bast should come in. That's a pretty thin D core. On a side note, is Gabe Bast playing junior B hockey? Looks as though he has 0 points in 5 games since joining the Surrey Knights. I really hope that there is a technical glitch on elite prospects. Expand I think it's a rehab assignment, get him some game time instead of sitting in the stands. If he comes next year (nothing has said otherwise), it would have been nice to have him here not part of the team, so he doesn't lose a year of eligibility and work with Poolman to rehab is injury. Quote
siouxfan512 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 7:39 PM, cberkas said: I think it's a rehab assignment, get him some game time instead of sitting in the stands. If he comes next year (nothing has said otherwise), it would have been nice to have him here not part of the team, so he doesn't lose a year of eligibility and work with Poolman to rehab is injury. Expand Couldn't he redshirt if he wanted? Quote
I Ranger Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 4:43 PM, scpa0305 said: C. Poolman, C. Wolanin, H. Shaw, C. Johnson, A. Peski, D. Chartrand, J. Reiger There's only room for 1 more (obviously assuming Wolanin doesnt leave). Evers and/or Bast should come in. That's a pretty thin D core. On a side note, is Gabe Bast playing junior B hockey? Looks as though he has 0 points in 5 games since joining the Surrey Knights. I really hope that there is a technical glitch on elite prospects. Expand Isn't Kierstad coming in next year? I thought at this point he is the only guarantee? 1 Quote
cberkas Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 On 1/26/2017 at 7:43 PM, siouxfan512 said: Couldn't he redshirt if he wanted? Expand Yes, but to me it would have been a waste of a red shirt for just a semester. Quote
Goon Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I hope I don't get fragged here, but I think Casey Johnson has been a nice surprise this season. Also, I've been impressed with Colton Poolman. 1 Quote
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