siouxweet Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 sorry if this has been brought up elsewhere, but the WCHA has suspended Randy Schmidt for at least one week, it was reported on collegehockeynews.com. next step is to make that suspension perminant. Quote
brianvf Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2008/01/24_schmidt.php Quote
dropTHEgloves Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Notice how no officials from the WCHA ever climb the ladder to better leagues? This is a great example.. a clearly incompetent official who makes two outcome effecting calls is only suspended one week. Schmidt should be cut loose. Poor officiating will always be the case in the WCHA unless some changes are made. Quote
Sioux-cia Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Two major errors both made in Denver's favor, hmmm. I think I'd be looking at possible gambling ties that Schmidt might have. But, hey, I admit, I'm a suspicious person. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Hennessy talked with someone from the USHL during an intermission during the Mankato series. The USHL official commented on how officials there are in "trying to move up" mode and they know they are being graded at all times for promotion potential. That is not the case in the WCHA. Too many WCHA officials see this as an end job, not a stepping stone to "the show". That's really a shame because many WCHA players are in "trying to move up" mode and really could use that same type of official. Quote
dropTHEgloves Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Hennessy talked with someone from the USHL during an intermission during the Mankato series. The USHL official commented on how officials there are in "trying to move up" mode and they know they are being graded at all times for promotion potential. That is not the case in the WCHA. Too many WCHA officials see this as an end job, not a stepping stone to "the show". That's really a shame because many WCHA players are in "trying to move up" mode and really could use that same type of official. Exactly, And young officials know this. Thats why the WCHA has such a hard time finding good officials because there is little chance of promotion unlike the USHL. Quote
siouxkid12 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Whats this about Todd Anderson grabbing a player from Duluth? Quote
Northcountry Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Back in the 1970's this phenomenon was known as the "Peter Principle" and it goes something like this: In every organization a person is promoted based on performance until he reaches a place where he is incompetent and no longer merits promotion. Seniority then prevents a demotion and the person is forever trapped in a position for which he is not competent. Time for the WCHA to break the principle. Quote
stickboy1956 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Hennessy talked with someone from the USHL during an intermission during the Mankato series. The USHL official commented on how officials there are in "trying to move up" mode and they know they are being graded at all times for promotion potential. That is not the case in the WCHA. Too many WCHA officials see this as an end job, not a stepping stone to "the show". That's really a shame because many WCHA players are in "trying to move up" mode and really could use that same type of official. I agreee!!! http://forum.siouxsports.com/index.php?s=&...st&p=307732 Quote
AZSIOUX Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Whats this about Todd Anderson grabbing a player from Duluth? suspend him as well. no need for a ref to grab a player at all unless hes breaking up a fight. no other reason Quote
tnt Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Notice how no officials from the WCHA ever climb the ladder to better leagues? This is a great example.. a clearly incompetent official who makes two outcome effecting calls is only suspended one week. Schmidt should be cut loose. Poor officiating will always be the case in the WCHA unless some changes are made. I think Gregg Sheppard doesn't want to reset the precedent for suspending officials too harshly for poor officiating because goodness knows that it wouldn't be too long before both of his kids would be looking for work. Then again, most of their mistakes don't cost a game in and of themselves, but a series of bad calls basically achieves the same end result. Of course Brad is only a linesman at this point, but I'm sure that is only temporary. Quote
Sioux_Hab-it Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Notice how no officials from the WCHA ever climb the ladder to better leagues? This is a great example.. a clearly incompetent official who makes two outcome effecting calls is only suspended one week. Schmidt should be cut loose. Poor officiating will always be the case in the WCHA unless some changes are made. Climb the ladder, sadly the striped clowns of the WCHA wouldn't cut it to officiate Midget AAA games here in Ontario. Quote
Goon Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 suspend him as well. no need for a ref to grab a player at all unless hes breaking up a fight. no other reason That was a poor move by Anderson. Quote
Old Time Hockey Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 That was a poor move by Anderson. What would have happened if it was a player that grabbed a referee. Automatic suspension!!!!!!!! Same should happen to Anderson. Poor discipline leads to poor performance! Time to clean house in the WCHA! Get rid of Bruce, Greg, and the clowns that wear the stripes! Quote
redwing77 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I think Gregg Sheppard doesn't want to reset the precedent for suspending officials too harshly for poor officiating because goodness knows that it wouldn't be too long before both of his kids would be looking for work. Then again, most of their mistakes don't cost a game in and of themselves, but a series of bad calls basically achieves the same end result. Of course Brad is only a linesman at this point, but I'm sure that is only temporary. Sorry, but as screwy as this sounds, Derek is no longer even close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of WCHA officiating. He can't set the precedent for suspending officials because if he did, then it would reflect poorly on him. He's the one in charge, not Schmidt or Anderson. The problem is that officials aren't held to be accountable for their own improvement and development. The league is also the problem because they have a faulty development system that stalls out officials rather than improves them. After the Bina catastrophe, McLeod thought that the problem was that there wasn't a full time head of officiating to oversee the officials. That's true enough, but hiring Greg Shepherd into the position full time was like hiring a pyromaniac to be the fire chief. Quote
Fetch Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 This is so sad - we should have better than this Quote
Sioux-cia Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Whats this about Todd Anderson grabbing a player from Duluth? http://www.areavoices.com/rinkandrun/?blog=19672 Quote
Old Time Hockey Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Sorry, but as screwy as this sounds, Derek is no longer even close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of WCHA officiating. He can't set the precedent for suspending officials because if he did, then it would reflect poorly on him. He's the one in charge, not Schmidt or Anderson. The problem is that officials aren't held to be accountable for their own improvement and development. The league is also the problem because they have a faulty development system that stalls out officials rather than improves them. After the Bina catastrophe, McLeod thought that the problem was that there wasn't a full time head of officiating to oversee the officials. That's true enough, but hiring Greg Shepherd into the position full time was like hiring a pyromaniac to be the fire chief. Sad but true! What's wrong with having a pyro as a fire chief? Most are! Quote
darell1976 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Thank God Schmidt didn't screw up a Sioux victory...we need them all and don't need a damn official messing things up for us. Quote
Godsmack Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Thank God Schmidt didn't screw up a Sioux victory...we need them all and don't need a damn official messing things up for us. In a sense, Schmidt's bad calls actually did hurt the Sioux........indirectly. DU got 4 points due to the screw ups where, had Schmidt got the calls right, potentially DU would've gotten 0, 2, or 3 points depending on how those two games played out. Regardless, DU got 4 points unjustly and we are in a race with them. CC was also negatively impacted as they battle with DU for the McNaughton Cup. Quote
CDog Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 One thing to keep an eye on is to see where Schmidt resurfaces after his suspension. It won't be a series involving Wisconsin, or Denver...I'm guessing somewhere off the radar. Houghton? Quote
darell1976 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 One thing to keep an eye on is to see where Schmidt resurfaces after his suspension. It won't be a series involving Wisconsin, or Denver...I'm guessing somewhere off the radar. Houghton? Sioux-Gophers? Quote
choyt3 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Sioux-Gophers? D. Sheppard has dibs on that one. Quote
LeftyZL Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 One thing to keep an eye on is to see where Schmidt resurfaces after his suspension. It won't be a series involving Wisconsin, or Denver...I'm guessing somewhere off the radar. Houghton? Well, I can't imagine he would referee any game involving Wisconsin, Denver, or St. Cloud St., so figuring that those 3 play conference teams, that takes up 3 more additional teams. So, the WCHA is down to the 2 other series for each weekend. Doesn't leave much room for lee-way. He'll have to ref those teams eventually. Quote
dead_rabbit Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Sorry, but as screwy as this sounds, Derek is no longer even close to the bottom of the barrel in terms of WCHA officiating. He can't set the precedent for suspending officials because if he did, then it would reflect poorly on him. He's the one in charge, not Schmidt or Anderson. The problem is that officials aren't held to be accountable for their own improvement and development. The league is also the problem because they have a faulty development system that stalls out officials rather than improves them. After the Bina catastrophe, McLeod thought that the problem was that there wasn't a full time head of officiating to oversee the officials. That's true enough, but hiring Greg Shepherd into the position full time was like hiring a pyromaniac to be the fire chief. I think the "barrel" when it comes to refs from the WCHA, is a very shallow one. It's probably more of kids wading pool than a barrel. Quote
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