The Sicatoka Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Now here's the "money question" for all of you: Are any of you really, really surprised that the NCAA is run this way when it's run by "academics" who run their campuses this way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Now here's the "money question" for all of you: Are any of you really, really surprised that the NCAA is run this way when it's run by "academics" who run their campuses this way? Of course not. With no real accountability at any level, tyrants beget tyrants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 “The N.C.A.A. is like the Gestapo,” wrote one parent in an e-mail. “It’s out there, we all fear it, and it is all-powerful and follows its own rules and makes them up as they go along. Who are they protecting? The same thing the Gestapo protected: themselves.” I really like this quote, it just shows how out of touch the NCAA is. You would think you were talking about a federal law enforcement agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yababy8 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Now here's the "money question" for all of you: Are any of you really, really surprised that the NCAA is run this way when it's run by "academics" who run their campuses this way? You have to honestly wonder how much the "academics" are even involoved in the true impetus toward these policies. It seems that between the curious lack of reporting of pending legal actions and the lack of disclosure and discussion that occurred when the members voted one the indian name policy, the reality might be that these fascist policies may be being driven by a few at the top and the academics are simply puppets guilty of nothing more than ignorant stupidity. Most probably get not much more out of their role as their institutions representative to the NCAA than the fun of a free trip to Dallas or wherever else the NCAA takes them to be mired in lavish excess as the NCAA leadership goes about the simple task of brainwash needed to get them to vote their fascist policies into being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 .. the academics are simply puppets guilty of nothing more than ignorant stupidity. ... The voting members of institutions of the NCAA are not the faculty representatives from the schools. The university presidents of NCAA member institutions are the ones who vote: classic "academics". As far as NCAA leadership, current president Mark Emmert is a former president of U of Washington and previous president Myles Brand was a former president at Indiana University, again classic "academics". Please note my use of double-quotes around academics because they are that in name only. True academics know and respect individual rights and freedoms, not this group-think and identity politics mindset running rampant today in "academia". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 You have to honestly wonder how much the "academics" are even involoved in the true impetus toward these policies. Look at today's "academics": decidedly liberally biased. That's precisely where the policies are coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yababy8 Posted January 24, 2012 Share Posted January 24, 2012 Sorry, I don't see any context where use of a nickname can be compared in any way with slavery. It's a bridge too far. ahhhh.... yeah.. ummm. I think you mean "is not similar' not "compared". See I'm sure you and lakessioux know very well that everything in the universe can be compared in any way. In fact, comparison is the root of all perception, knowledge and even existence, but I digress. Now that we have established that one can and should compare everything. Let's compare slavery with removing the Sioux name... Hmmm, let's make a list of similarities and differences in two columns; I'll start with similarities. Ahhh, ohhh I've got one, here goes, 1. They are both wrong!... ...I'm bored with this so I will end there... You finish, K?... Just one thing though, could ya do me and untold thousands of Sioux fans across the world a favor and stop trying to F*CK with number one above... K thanks.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikejm Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Athletes, universities, taxpayers are subsidizing the NCAA, correct? Let's not get too carried away with the "subsidy" concept... The NCAA announced it has reached a 14-year, nearly $11 billion agreement with CBS and Turner Sports for the TV rights to a 68-team tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 ahhhh.... yeah.. ummm. I think you mean "is not similar' not "compared". See I'm sure you and lakessioux know very well that everything in the universe can be compared in any way. In fact, comparison is the root of all perception, knowledge and even existence, but I digress. Now that we have established that one can and should compare everything. Let's compare slavery with removing the Sioux name... Hmmm, let's make a list of similarities and differences in two columns; I'll start with similarities. Ahhh, ohhh I've got one, here goes, 1. They are both wrong!... ...I'm bored with this so I will end there... You finish, K?... Just one thing though, could ya do me and untold thousands of Sioux fans across the world a favor and stop trying to F*CK with number one above... K thanks.. You and your thousand of Sioux fans can keep fighting the good fight, you will get support where appropriate. But do a favor to those of us that support the University of North Dakota, regardless of nickname or logo, and quit trying to drag UND into the battle and in the process harm the University, the athletics department and the student-athletes ...K thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Let's not get too carried away with the "subsidy" concept... The NCAA announced it has reached a 14-year, nearly $11 billion agreement with CBS and Turner Sports for the TV rights to a 68-team tournament According to the 2009 NCAA membership report, http://catalog.proem...6d#/0affe96d/28, on page 26-27 it gives a quick breakdown on revenue and expenses. Television and marketing fees make up 86% of revenue, championships (which seems to be gate and not television) is 9%, investments 3%, sales and service 1%, contributions 0%, and misc. including the NIT 1%. Total revenue in 2009 was approximately $750,000,000. Doesn't look like much taxpayer money going to support the organization. Also remember that this doesn't include BCS football television money, the NCAA doesn't participate in that. Expenses are listed as distributions to Division I members at 61%, Division I championships 9%, Division II championships 4%, Division III championships 3%, Association wide 16%, management and general 4%, NIT and LLC 1%, eligibility 1%, and officiating 1%. The association wide programs seem to be programs that are available for all programs, not just a specific Division as well as other giving to non-profits. Total expenses of more than $707,000,000. Very little money going from schools to the NCAA. A lot of money going from NCAA to schools (especially Division I schools) to help support scholarships, coaches salaries and all of the other expenses of running an athletic department. This is part of the reason schools put up with the NCAA and why schools are moving up to Division I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 Let's not get too carried away with the "subsidy" concept... The NCAA announced it has reached a 14-year, nearly $11 billion agreement with CBS and Turner Sports for the TV rights to a 68-team tournament I would like to know if the NCAA is paying taxes? The NCAA announced it has reached a 14-year, nearly $11 billion agreement with CBS and Turner Sports for the TV rights to a 68-team tournament -- up three teams from the current 65. Negotiations with CBS/Turner, ESPN and Fox Sports initially had targeted a 96-team bracket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I would like to know if the NCAA is paying taxes? From the NCAA web site, http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Issues/Commercialism/NCAA+tax+exempt+status. The NCAA is a nonprofit, higher education association that is exempted from federal income tax by section 501©(3) of the federal tax code. That status has been challenged from time to time, most recently in late 2007 in a U.S. House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee review of tax-exempt organizations. In responding to the committee’s letter of inquiry, the NCAA disagreed with the committee’s underlying presumption that intercollegiate athletics is not part of higher education. The NCAA stated its mission is to ensure that intercollegiate athletics remain an integral part of higher education while also making certain that student-athletes remain an integral part of the student body. The NCAA also asserted that its not-for-profit status should not be linked to the amount of revenue it generates but rather to how the revenue is spent. In the Association’s case, 96 percent of its revenue is returned to the membership through direct distributions, championships or other services. The NCAA is no different than other highly visible nonprofit organizations that raise significant revenue but spend it in beneficial ways that are consistent with federal law. In the case of the NCAA, the benefit is the education of student-athletes within the collegiate model of athletics. That model calls for student-athletes to participate in sports as an avocation while balancing their academics, social and athletics experiences. The NCAA believes the entertainment qualities of intercollegiate athletics do not diminish the educational value of those programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 25, 2012 Share Posted January 25, 2012 I see some of you are beginning to realize the true nature and size and power of the behemoth called the NCAA. Look at what 82 posted: The NCAA is able to blow smoke like that up the rear of a Congressional committee and the committee rolls over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 North Dakota moving on without “Sioux’’ nickname “Being forced to change what you’re called doesn’t mean changing who you are,’’ mused Mac Schneider, a former North Dakota offensive lineman who is also a North Dakota state senator. The school now has these next three years to let go of the past and reinvent its brand. Meanwhile, faithful ND fans still pack the hockey rink, 11,634 of them for each game, and proudly sing the national anthem before the drop of the puck. In a time-honored tradition - one the NCAA can’t do much about - they ignore the last word, “brave,’’ and finish the anthem, “. . . home of the Sioux!’’ The building shakes with each of those final four words. The punctuation point on the anthem is proof that it’s a school that knows how to adapt. Good for UND. Whatever the new design, the ability to change already is baked into the brand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoalieMask Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 That article from The Globe is frighteningly flawed. There are multiple logos in the floor, not just one, and it's probably not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 (edited) I see some of you are beginning to realize the true nature and size and power of the behemoth called the NCAA. Look at what 82 posted: The NCAA is able to blow smoke like that up the rear of a Congressional committee and the committee rolls over. I believe that maybe someone needs to take a look at them. Also, it would appear that they are out of control and need some over sight. Edited February 5, 2012 by Goon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 The nickname-at-all-cost group is getting the media attention they want on KFAN radio out of Minneapolis right now. The whole state is getting destroyed over the entire situation. Words like childish, whining, and lack of self esteem are being used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewey Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 The nickname-at-all-cost group is getting the media attention they want on KFAN radio out of Minneapolis right now. The whole state is getting destroyed over the entire situation. Words like childish, whining, and lack of self esteem are being used. Dan Barreiro? Credible? Seriously? He despises North Dakota, generally, and ND hockey specifically. That moron has spouted off much like so-called "Dark Star" about ND and its Canadians for at least 15 years. He is the very last person who should be using the "whiners" term. Gophers have a few bad years and he's throwing Lucia under the bus and now Lucia's his best friend, or so he thinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/229331/ Shaft last week called for the meeting, scheduled for 3 p.m., so the board could discuss whether to challenge the constitutionality of a state law adopted last April requiring UND to retain its Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. Under state law, a constitutionality challenge would require affirmative votes from four of the state’s five Supreme Court justices, and nickname supporters could resist the effort. That could include Rep. Al Carlson, R-Fargo, the House majority leader and author of the law adopted last April, who has repeatedly defended the Legislature’s right to take such action and disputed the extent of the State Board’s constitutional authority. Shaft said today that “there are decent arguments to be made for each” option facing the board, but each also carries a risk. The board could stand back from a challenge and let the referral proceed “and hope the people do the right thing,” he said. But that would mean “that we are not setting out our constitutional authority” as the board. Shaft said he was glad to see statements late last week from Tim O’Keefe, leader of the UND Alumni Association, and Brian Faison, the school’s athletic director, warning of severe consequences UND could face if the nickname — and NCAA sanctions — continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Al Carlson was on KNOX radio this morning. He showed his lack of knowledge, and his true colors during the interview. He repeatedly said that the NCAA required votes of both tribes, and since Standing Rock didn't get a chance then it was only fair that they get to vote through the referendum. The truth is that a vote was not even mentioned in the settlement agreement. Standing Rock was allowed to give their approval in any manner available through their Tribal Constitution. A vote on an issue is not part of the Constitution. At Standing Rock all decisions go through the Tribal Council. They said no. That fullfilled the requirements of the settlement. Carlson didn't have a clue about the terms of the settlement. He said that he didn't know if the NCAA would accept the vote on Standing Rock at this time, since it was after the deadline. However, at the time of the big meeting in Indianapolis it was reported that the NCAA staff said that it was too late, they would not accept any form of approval now that the deadline had passed. He also said that he hoped the NCAA would be willing to negotiate once the referendum was passed and the people had spoken. Obviously he wasn't listening when the NCAA said that they were going to follow the terms of the settlement. By the way, Carlson also said that he had signed the petition and was planning to vote for it. He was very upset with the State Board of Higher Education. He said that the Legislature is going to fight this issue. His term was that they were going to "lawyer up". It sounded like the Attorney General would probably represent the SBoHE and the Legislature would find different representation. He was upset with the SBoHE on 2 fronts. First was the challenge of the law itself, and how it would represent challenging the power of the Legislature versus the SBoHE. He said that the SB was trying to become a 4th leg of the government. He definitely wanted to make sure that everyone knew that the SB should be reporting to him and the Legislature. He also was upset because he said challenging the law was basically a slap in the face to the people that had signed the petitions. He felt that the SB should just accept whatever happened in the election. He was asked why they should accept a law if it is unconstitutional. His response was that every law passed by the legislature was constitutional, unless it was challenged. And he said that since the people wanted this law it shouldn't be challenged. By his theory, the North Dakota Legislature could pass any law and believe it would be fine if they could get enough people to support it. That is a dangerous thought process for a government leader. A couple of callers asked some specific questions about the Big Sky, and Minnesota and Wisconsin announcing that they wouldn't play UND in hockey. His answers showed that he had no real clue about the specifics of the situation or about how college athletics works. He did make the statement that he wanted people to know that no one was trying to damage UND athletics with the nickname law. He either didn't get it or didn't believe that his actions might do the damage despite any intent. He also said that if the referendum passed, and it didn't get the desired result, they could always correct the problem in 2013. Since that worked so well the first time, he's planning to try it again, especially after he gets control of the SBoHE. The impression I got out of the interview was that he was trying to save some face using bravado and playing on the emotions of people. He definitely wasn't using facts to argue his case. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 He either didn't get it or didn't believe that his actions might do the damage despite any intent. He also said that if the referendum passed, and it didn't get the desired result, they could always correct the problem in 2013. Since that worked so well the first time, he's planning to try it again, especially after he gets control of the SBoHE. The impression I got out of the interview was that he was trying to save some face using bravado and playing on the emotions of people. He definitely wasn't using facts to argue his case. So, Clueless Al's bloated ego still rules his words and actions? Color me shocked ... I'm interested in how Al intends to pay his lawyers to "represent" the legislature. I don't believe they appropriated any money or enabled any legislation to allow that. Maybe Reed Soderstrom will do it pro bono and really get himself in deep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 So, Clueless Al's bloated ego still rules his words and actions? Color me shocked ... I'm interested in how Al intends to pay his lawyers to "represent" the legislature. I don't believe they appropriated any money or enabled any legislation to allow that. Maybe Reed Soderstrom will do it pro bono and really get himself in deep. My guess is that the funds for the lawyer will come out of the Attorney General's budget. I believe that they are responsible for representing both sides, so they would pay for the extra lawyers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetch Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 The AHL Fighting Sioux Team keeps looking better & better Tell all the Lawyers & Presidents & Politicians & ncaa where to go Maybe the new UND Hockey team can fill the lower level UND should just get out of sports Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 I don't always agree with Rachel Blount, and she's never been a real fan of the Sioux moniker, but she seems to box the issue up pretty well. http://www.startribune.com/sports/139773373.html In addition to being costly and embarrassing, the issue is already causing real harm to the athletic department. Iowa has canceled two women's basketball games and a swim meet, and other schools -- including Minnesota and Wisconsin -- will not play North Dakota if it keeps the nickname. None of that seems to matter to the nickname defenders, who dismiss these very real consequences as a scare tactic. They still think they can bully the NCAA, which is laughable. Membership in that organization is not a right, and it is not a democracy. If UND wants to sponsor Division I sports, it has to play by the NCAA's rules. Hakstol recognized the time had come to stop fighting against the best interests of North Dakota athletics. It's time the rest of the state came to its senses and joined him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 "Simply put, it will possibly diminish our hockey program slowly over time. In my opinion, it would be extremely damaging to all of our other sports on campus in the near future.'' -- Dave Hakstol, speaking about what happens if the moniker is kept 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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