Fire Berry Please!

[siouxkid12]

31 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

1966, 1986, & 2007 titles for the Spartans.  If they’re bluebloods based on that, then Colorado College and Michigan Tech should still qualify too. 

You’ll have to throw Lake Superior state and their 4* national titles

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Don't forget that Miami hockey is a dynasty! Apparently The Miami Student scrubbed that article from its archives.

[MafiaMan]

1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said:

You’ll have to throw Lake Superior state and their 4* national titles

THE SOO LAKERS!

[Blackheart]

2 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

THE SOO LAKERS!

Ah Christ...don't get him going.

[MafiaMan]

1 hour ago, Blackheart said:

Ah Christ...don't get him going.

My SECOND most-famous NCAA Hockey Tournament TV moment, eh?  

(You don’t need to remind me of the first).

[SJHovey]

15 hours ago, Brim006 said:

Yes, exactly and they've all hired new coaches during that span (for varies reasons including performance). Also, they're all currently ranked better than UND other than Wisc, and all had deep tournament runs since then other than Wisc and Mich State during that span. 

Frozen 4 appearances in that span.

Michigan - 4

Minnesota - 2

Michigan State - 0

Wisconsin - 0 

Denver - 5

BU - 2

BC - 2

UND - 0

 

So based on tournament appearances, frozen 4 appearances, and current rankings it appears UND is in the mix for the worst blue blood drop off during this span (Berry's tenure). Debate would be between Wisconsin, Michigan State and UND. Michigan State and Wisconsin have pretty clearly had the worst drop offs in that span, but Michigan State has turned things around and is back on top. I'd say Wisconsin wins the crown for the worst, but we'll see how this coaching change works out for them since he's in his 2nd season now I believe. 

Berenson and York retired.  Monty took a job in the NHL.  Pearson was canned for off ice shenanigans.  Let's not pretend all of these schools are firing their head coach for missing the tournament.

You want to know the other thing that all of the teams on your list and mine have in common?  Other than DU and UND, not a single one of them has won a title since Brad Berry took over.  Their seasons all ended just like ours, by missing the tournament or with an NCAA tournament loss.

[siouxkid12]

11 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

Berenson and York retired.  Monty took a job in the NHL.  Pearson was canned for off ice shenanigans.  Let's not pretend all of these schools are firing their head coach for missing the tournament.

You want to know the other thing that all of the teams on your list and mine have in common?  Other than DU and UND, not a single one of them has won a title since Brad Berry took over.  Their seasons all ended just like ours, by missing the tournament or with an NCAA tournament loss.

Except most have made it to the FF, FF championship game or won a national title. At the end of the day all of those "blueblood" programs have had more success than UND recently. Like I said earlier, if we take out the 2016 championship, Berry's record on a national stage is way below UND's standards.

[Brim006]

5 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

Berenson and York retired.  Monty took a job in the NHL.  Pearson was canned for off ice shenanigans.  Let's not pretend all of these schools are firing their head coach for missing the tournament.

You want to know the other thing that all of the teams on your list and mine have in common?  Other than DU and UND, not a single one of them has won a title since Brad Berry took over.  Their seasons all ended just like ours, by missing the tournament or with an NCAA tournament loss.

Hence why I said for various reasons...so I'm not pretending anything. 

Also, you're just bucketing everyone together with your national title or nothing theory. There's a big difference between only missing the tournament once or twice during that span and missing it every other year or more. And there's also a big difference of only having 1 tournament win in that span versus consistently making deep playoff runs. Most folks on this side of the discussion aren't demanding a natty every year, we're just pointing out that after 9 seasons there should at least be some close calls, deep runs, or at least some signs that they're capable. 

[siouxkid12]

6 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

Hence why I said for various reasons...so I'm not pretending anything. 

Also, you're just bucketing everyone together with your national title or nothing theory. There's a big difference between only missing the tournament once or twice during that span and missing it every other year or more. And there's also a big difference of only having 1 tournament win in that span versus consistently making deep playoff runs. Most folks on this side of the discussion aren't demanding a natty every year, we're just pointing out that after 9 seasons there should at least be some close calls, deep runs, or at least some signs that they're capable. 

Exactly. No one on here (or our fanbase) is claiming we should be national champions every year. The expectations are to be a top 3 teams in the NCHC, have a good showing in the NCHC tournament and making the NCAA tournament (and having a decent run). For all the talent we have had come through the doors during Berry's tenure, they should have been able to accomplish this on a regular basis. Instead, we are now regulated to "destination" games during the season (which we haven't had success at) and watching other teams play hockey in the spring.  

[tnt]

3 hours ago, SJHovey said:

Berenson and York retired.  Monty took a job in the NHL.  Pearson was canned for off ice shenanigans.  Let's not pretend all of these schools are firing their head coach for missing the tournament.

You want to know the other thing that all of the teams on your list and mine have in common?  Other than DU and UND, not a single one of them has won a title since Brad Berry took over.  Their seasons all ended just like ours, by missing the tournament or with an NCAA tournament loss.

No matter, they all were rejuvenated when the bloom was off the rose with their old coaches.  Not saying it is time yet, but another year or two with stagnant results in the tourney, and it may be time for some new blood as well.   We might have never had the run with Blais if Wanless didn't decide that it was time for a change.  How many more years should he have waited, five, ten?  We might have missed two national championships.   At one time we had a case to make as the elite program in the country, with our high winning percentage in the national tournament and titles.  We no longer have the highest winning percentage in the tournament, and overall wins we are being left behind as well.  

[tnt]

3 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

Exactly. No one on here (or our fanbase) is claiming we should be national champions every year. The expectations are to be a top 3 teams in the NCHC, have a good showing in the NCHC tournament and making the NCAA tournament (and having a decent run). For all the talent we have had come through the doors during Berry's tenure, they should have been able to accomplish this on a regular basis. Instead, we are now regulated to "destination" games during the season (which we haven't had success at) and watching other teams play hockey in the spring.  

Another year of cheering for anyone other than North Dakota at the national tournament is another year the fans tune out.  You can only watch and cheer for the lesser of the evils when it comes to Minnesota, Denver, Michigan, Boston College, Boston University, etc., so much before you become jaded.    I have spent far too much time in the past 8-9 years cheering against teams, than cheering for my own.  Don't think the recruits don't notice the teams that are consistently contending either.  One has to question if Jackson Blake would be here another year if he thought we had a realistic chance to win it all.  

[stoneySIOUX]

26 minutes ago, tnt said:

Another year of cheering for anyone other than North Dakota at the national tournament is another year the fans tune out.  You can only watch and cheer for the lesser of the evils when it comes to Minnesota, Denver, Michigan, Boston College, Boston University, etc., so much before you become jaded.    I have spent far too much time in the past 8-9 years cheering against teams, than cheering for my own.  Don't think the recruits don't notice the teams that are consistently contending either.  One has to question if Jackson Blake would be here another year if he thought we had a realistic chance to win it all.  

I'd argue Jackson Blake being here another year would not have us in this position, unfortunately. He's that important.

[scpa0305]

2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I'd argue Jackson Blake being here another year would not have us in this position, unfortunately. He's that important.

100%

[tnt]

1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I'd argue Jackson Blake being here another year would not have us in this position, unfortunately. He's that important.

Right, just like Minnesota might not be in the same position without Snuggerud.  With Minnesota being so close the last 3 years, I am sure Snuggerud could envision Minnesota winning it all.  

[burd]

I'd guess Blake did think there was a realistic chance of winning a banner had he stayed.   The guy was focused on his NHL goal (to our benefit) and felt he was ready.,  

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

56 minutes ago, tnt said:

Right, just like Minnesota might not be in the same position without Snuggerud.  With Minnesota being so close the last 3 years, I am sure Snuggerud could envision Minnesota winning it all.  

Snuggerud returning was announced by their NIL collective. He was paid to stay.

[stoneySIOUX]

4 hours ago, tnt said:

Right, just like Minnesota might not be in the same position without Snuggerud.  With Minnesota being so close the last 3 years, I am sure Snuggerud could envision Minnesota winning it all.  

I'd be very surprised to hear that Blaker thought we didn't have a chance to win a title this season.

[gfhockey]

3 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I'd argue Jackson Blake being here another year would not have us in this position, unfortunately. He's that important.

We didn’t want him to stay anotherbyear

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, gfhockey said:

We didn’t want him to stay anotherbyear

You're boring.

[siouxkid12]

2 hours ago, gfhockey said:

We didn’t want him to stay anotherbyear

It’s time Judy’s kicked you out. You’re not making any sense 

[Blackheart]

12 hours ago, tnt said:

Another year of cheering for anyone other than North Dakota at the national tournament is another year the fans tune out.  You can only watch and cheer for the lesser of the evils when it comes to Minnesota, Denver, Michigan, Boston College, Boston University, etc., so much before you become jaded.    I have spent far too much time in the past 8-9 years cheering against teams, than cheering for my own.  Don't think the recruits don't notice the teams that are consistently contending either.  One has to question if Jackson Blake would be here another year if he thought we had a realistic chance to win it all.  

Ouch!

[Blackheart]

11 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Snuggerud returning was announced by their NIL collective. He was paid to stay.

Rydell's couldn't give Blake enough free car washes to get him to stay.

[GDPritch]

On 12/18/2024 at 3:24 PM, SJHovey said:

I understand what you are saying, but even if we now decide that NCAA tournament is the bar that has to be met, I still don't think it's been that bad.

Yes, under Brad, we've missed the tournament 3 times.  But consider this.  During that same time frame (2015-16 to now), these "bluebloods" of college hockey, that everyone fears we have fallen so far behind, missed the tournament the following number of seasons:

Michigan - 2

Minnesota - 3

Michigan State - 7

Wisconsin - 6

Denver - 1

BU - 2

BC - 5

Further consider that we were #1 in the pairwise in 2020, and of the above teams, only DU and BC were likely to make it that year.  MN was at 17, and Michigan was hanging on at 14, but everyone else was basically dead.

Plus, the three misses in the 16 team era was probably not a standard that can be sustained.  None of the above teams have come close to that.

I have a theory.  I always think the panic around here starts to build when the team struggles, but it goes over the top when one of our chief rivals (MN and DU) are having success at the same time.  That's what we are seeing now.

Yes, but also throw in that W Mich, CC, and…gulp… Bemidji St are every bit as good (or TBH, probably better) than UND. Gut punch.

[fightingsioux4life]

49 minutes ago, GDPritch said:

Yes, but also throw in that W Mich, CC, and…gulp… Bemidji St are every bit as good (or TBH, probably better) than UND. Gut punch.

#butparity