2024-25 ND High School Hockey

[skateshattrick]

1 hour ago, Brim006 said:

agreed but Id say 8 out of 10

I disagree. I'm from Grand Forks and have a lot of pride for Grand Forks, but even if you combined the high schools, Grand Forks very rarely produces top Division 1 talent like Moorhead--GFRR and Central do not have a player nearly as good as Mason Kraft, let alone Brooks Cullen. Historically, Moorhead has had better players as well. Ryan Kraft, Chris Vandevelde, Brian Lee, John Lee, Matt Cullen, Mark Cullen, Joe Cullen, Jason Blake, Will Borgen, Ethan Frisch, etc. Grand Forks has had some really good players as well with Grant and Ryan Potulny, Jeff and Jay Panzer, Paul LaDue and many others, but Moorhead constantly produces D1 talent and quite a few pros. Moorhead would win the majority of the games with a combined GFHS team. 

[fightingsioux4life]

7 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

I disagree. I'm from Grand Forks and have a lot of pride for Grand Forks, but even if you combined the high schools, Grand Forks very rarely produces top Division 1 talent like Moorhead--GFRR and Central do not have a player nearly as good as Mason Kraft, let alone Brooks Cullen. Historically, Moorhead has had better players as well. Ryan Kraft, Chris Vandevelde, Brian Lee, John Lee, Matt Cullen, Mark Cullen, Joe Cullen, Jason Blake, Will Borgen, Ethan Frisch, etc. Grand Forks has had some really good players as well with Grant and Ryan Potulny, Jeff and Jay Panzer, Paul LaDue and many others, but Moorhead constantly produces D1 talent and quite a few pros. Moorhead would win the majority of the games with a combined GFHS team. 

The only way this question would be answered is if Central and Red River merged their boys teams into the KnightRiders.

[Johnny Five]

12 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The only way this question would be answered is if Central and Red River merged their boys teams into the KnightRiders.

And the Minot can merge their Junior Gold state champs with the Magi.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Johnny Five said:

And the Minot can merge their Junior Gold state champs with the Magi.

They might be more competitive at state if they did that.

[gfhockey]

Word from Roseau they are dropping down

[Wilbur]

9 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

And the Minot can merge their Junior Gold state champs with the Magi.

Minot native here.  They've got to rip the band aid off and just put the North team on the ice.  Both teams will struggle initially, there could be no state tournament for either squad, but you've got to do it with the numbers.  There were 28 kids on the Jr. Gold team this year according to the roster on their website.   

I feel that the can may get continually kicked down the road on this one unfortunately.  A lot of people see what happened to Bismarck High hockey and ultimately go to that worst case scenario.   

[UNDMOORHEAD]

If I remember correctly Sacred Heart is a private school. Couldn't they start a hockey program and have all the best players from G.F. and E.G.F. That would be a team that could absolutely play a MN AA schedule.

[SIOUXFAN97]

I watched the Minny Hockey Tourney for the first time....here's how you make it bigger and better.

1 Division...no more A and AA....just 16 sections.

On March 7-8 you have 4 three game tourneys in Bemidji, Duluth, St. Cloud, and Mankato.

Either seed 1-16 or use the old 1-8 A and AA sections.....Section 1 A v Section 1 AA and so forth.

The remaining 4 (final our and frozen 4 are already taken so Frosty 4?) go the X and play 3 games on March 14th and 15th.

And Minnesota creates a traveling cup ...the Mayasich, Brooks, or Mariucci Cup made of the finest silver the state can produce and have it rival other "cups" around the world....

Once champ....one Cup.

your welcome (again)

[Brim006]

2 hours ago, Big Green said:

You started by comparing the whole MN Class A vs just the EDC, which is Ridiculous.  Grand Forks schools are winning the EDC almost every year.  If you put them in MN Class A, they are winning a state championship one time out of 10 years.

 

So...you are comparing the 2 grand forks teams beating 8 other teams for the EDC title more often than the 2 grand forks teams would beat all 80 other MN A teams for a state title as a comparison? Lol

No, I was stating that the average EDC team is much more competitive than the average MN A across all 80 teams. And it's not close. You then mentioned 7A as a more specific comparison, which I agree is a better comparison since it's about the same number of teams and is fairly level across the board, but the EDC likely wins out most years there too despite 7A debatably being one of the more solid in MN outside of Hermantown and SCC powerhouses skewing those sections.

MN A probably has 40-45 teams that are worse than Mayport. In fact, Mayport went 7-6-1 vs MN A this season and 6-4 vs MN A last season. So let's not confuse sheer numbers of teams with overall competitiveness. The EDC is probably pretty comparable to the top 25% MN A in reality. And the top 3 EDC teams are probably pretty comparable to the top 3 MN A teams every year, with MN A top 3 likely winning out most years. 

The majority of ND vs MN games are EDC vs MN A each season, and the record speaks for itself. 

2023-2024 records = ND 26-14-0

2022-2023 records = ND 21-14-0

2021-2022 records = ND 21-13-2

2020-2021 records = ND 12-7-1

We can agree to disagree, but safe to say both GFC and RR would fit in better at AA than A. Because I'd say it's pretty reasonable to state that the top 3 EDC teams would consistently be top 10 MN A every year. 

 I just think a lot of people get a false sense of MN superiority complex after watching their giant state tournament showcasing their best of the best of the 145 teams and with all the excitement and publicity that comes with it, I guess I can see how that can happen. So I can see how for some people it feels like that's how all the MN teams are across the board all year long. It's just emotional thinking. And It's easy to forget about all the other teams that are at home... a lot of which  (at least of class A)  are realllllly bad hockey teams. Once again, look at the success Wahp has finally found playing in MN A after decades of winless seasons in the EDC. 

[gfhockey]

14 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

So...you are comparing the 2 grand forks teams beating 8 other teams for the EDC title more often than the 2 grand forks teams would beat all 80 other MN A teams for a state title as a comparison? Lol

No, I was stating that the average EDC team is much more competitive than the average MN A across all 80 teams. And it's not close. You then mentioned 7A as a more specific comparison, which I agree is a better comparison since it's about the same number of teams and is fairly level across the board, but the EDC likely wins out most years there too despite 7A debatably being one of the more solid in MN outside of Hermantown and SCC powerhouses skewing those sections.

MN A probably has 40-45 teams that are worse than Mayport. In fact, Mayport went 7-6-1 vs MN A this season and 6-4 vs MN A last season. So let's not confuse sheer numbers of teams with overall competitiveness. The EDC is probably pretty comparable to the top 25% MN A in reality. And the top 3 EDC teams are probably pretty comparable to the top 3 MN A teams every year, with MN A likely winning out most years. 

The majority of ND vs MN games are EDC vs MN A each season, and the record speaks for itself. 

2023-2024 records = ND 26-14-0

2022-2023 records = ND 21-14-0

2021-2022 records = ND 21-13-2

2020-2021 records = ND 12-7-1

We can agree to disagree, but safe to say both GFC and RR would fit in better at AA than A. Because I'd say it's pretty reasonable to state that the top 3 EDC teams would consistently be top 10 MN A every year. 

 I just think a lot of people get a false sense of MN superiority complex after watching their giant state tournament showcasing their best of the best of the 75-80 teams and with all the excitement and publicity that comes with it, I guess I can see how that can happen. Feels like that's how all the MN teams are across the board all year long. It's just emotional thinking. And It's easy to forget about all the other teams that are at home a lot of which  (at least of class A)  are realllllly bad hockey teams. Once again, look at the success Wahp has finally found playing in MN A after decades of winless seasons in the EDC. 

Actually agreeing with you

[Brim006]

2 hours ago, Big Green said:

RR didn't play a single MN AA team this last year.  Looks like they went 1-3 vs Class A Teams.

 

 

 

They played in the Warroad tournament instead this year. 

Last year they beat Gentry Academy, and beat Providence Academy

Season before that they beat Holy Family and beat Roseau

Season before that they lost to Gentry Academy

Season before that they beat Warroad (1A) and lost to Roseau. 

 

Do you even follow hockey? 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

The only way this question would be answered is if Central and Red River merged their boys teams into the KnightRiders.

I hear it and I hear ...

[Johnny Five]

32 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

I watched the Minny Hockey Tourney for the first time....here's how you make it bigger and better.

1 Division...no more A and AA....just 16 sections.

On March 7-8 you have 4 three game tourneys in Bemidji, Duluth, St. Cloud, and Mankato.

Either seed 1-16 or use the old 1-8 A and AA sections.....Section 1 A v Section 1 AA and so forth.

The remaining 4 (final our and frozen 4 are already taken so Frosty 4?) go the X and play 3 games on March 14th and 15th.

And Minnesota creates a traveling cup ...the Mayasich, Brooks, or Mariucci Cup made of the finest silver the state can produce and have it rival other "cups" around the world....

Once champ....one Cup.

your welcome (again)

And then to make it even better no team from South of the Metro should be allowed in lol....Just imagine Warroad, Hermantown and Cloquet in the A as well this year.

[SIOUXFAN97]

3 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

And then to make it even better no team from South of the Metro should be allowed in lol....Just imagine Warroad, Hermantown and Cloquet in the A as well this year.

it's the formula....not the above schools...fill in what you want but the formula is legit

[Big Green]

9 minutes ago, Brim006 said:

They played in the Warroad tournament instead this year. 

Last year they beat Gentry Academy, and beat Providence Academy

Season before that they beat Holy Family and beat Roseau

Season before that they lost to Gentry Academy

Season before that they beat Warroad (1A) and lost to Roseau. 

 

Do you even follow hockey? 

I follow plenty of Hockey.  The original Question you replied to was regarding Parents sending there kids to play in MN and you were comparing EDC to Class A hockey.  The Programs they would be sending their kids to are not playing the bottom barrel Class A schools.  Take a look at EGF's, and Warroad's Schedule and tell me they is not a much tougher schedule than any ND school.  

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

what was the attendance figure for the ND state title game?

[fightingsioux4life]

31 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

I hear it and I hear ...

[Big Green]

3 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

I watched the Minny Hockey Tourney for the first time....here's how you make it bigger and better.

1 Division...no more A and AA....just 16 sections.

On March 7-8 you have 4 three game tourneys in Bemidji, Duluth, St. Cloud, and Mankato.

Either seed 1-16 or use the old 1-8 A and AA sections.....Section 1 A v Section 1 AA and so forth.

The remaining 4 (final our and frozen 4 are already taken so Frosty 4?) go the X and play 3 games on March 14th and 15th.

And Minnesota creates a traveling cup ...the Mayasich, Brooks, or Mariucci Cup made of the finest silver the state can produce and have it rival other "cups" around the world....

Once champ....one Cup.

your welcome (again)

MN Class AA Tournament is already the greatest HS State Tournament in the US.  They are not changing a darn thing.

 

[Oxbow6]

6 hours ago, Brim006 said:

Clown comment.

Because some kids and family's still have pride and commitment to playing for their hometowns. All this transfering and importing has gotten out of hand. It's gross in college and even worse to see it happening so often even in high school now. 

Plus the EDC is the same if not better competition than MN A. Most years it's a long shot for them to make it to state over Warroad etc so I'd say this year is def not the norm. Compare direct scores over the last 5 years if you disagree with that. EGF won the Gambucci for the first time in a decade this year. 

First of all it was a question...not a comment but I won't digress into your understanding of grammer. From a HS player experience was just throwing it out there. I watched the ND hockey tournament. 1-10 is was a 3 and I went from a 2 to a 3 becausei live in ND. Represent!. Watched the MN tournament and 1-10 it was a 10. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 minutes ago, Big Green said:

MN Class AA Tournament is already the greatest HS State Tournament in the US.  They are not changing a darn thing.

 

It's changed over the years by the look of it....single division up to the early 90's irrc. By the looks of a few schools like Roseau and Brrmidji they don't want your stinkin' JV trophy...go big or go home! Respect!!

Attendance at those wed/thurs afternoon games have to be kinda sparse? If your Mahtomedi and St Cloud Cahtreal would you rather have played at 11am or noon on Wednesday in front of ________ fans (assuming those noon games are sparse?) at the x or in front of 6500 people in Duluth at Amsoil Arena on a Friday eve?

If you had the "super regionals" in Bemidji, Duluth, St Cloud, and Mankato those mini tourneys would / could be done staggered over 3 or 4 days so no games overlap (like current format but you would have bad start times too like current format has with those early wed/thurs games) or all first round games are done over 2 days by starting all 8 first round games at 6pm Friday eve and night game 30 mins after the first game at each venue and 2nd round game the next night at 7pm.

Then the next week you got your final 4 at the X....two games friday and title game saturday night primetime 7pm.

Get a Cup made and ONE school gets it for the year and their names engraved on there forever like the other famous cup out there....

your welcome again.

 

[Johnny Five]

If my family had setup shop in the Fargo/Moorhead or GF/EGF areas.....I'd 100% be living on the east side of the river.  I love the community aspect of Minnesota Hockey...One community, one school, one program...

Bigger communities in ND don't get that.  Well except for Minot.

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

If my family had setup shop in the Fargo/Moorhead or GF/EGF areas.....I'd 100% be living on the east side of the river.  I love the community aspect of Minnesota Hockey...One community, one school, one program...

Bigger communities in ND don't get that.  Well except for Minot.

 

so regardless of quality of life quality of school and whatnot....just sports lead the way?

[Johnny Five]

I don't foresee a ton of difference in quality of life.  

But this is a hockey forum.  And we are just shooting the sh*t.

[SIOUXFAN97]

2 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

I don't foresee a ton of difference in quality of life.  

But this is a hockey forum.  And we are just shooting the sh*t.

my buddy pays 10% more for quality of life in EGF and that includes the beet plant smell when the wind is right.

[ChadR]

When/where are the Team ND & Sioux Falls Power games this weekend?