2024 Non-UND FCS Thread

[geaux_sioux]

Turns out he only won the Jerry Rice because there was a conspiracy from voters to get him in the portal 😂

[Nodak78]

Wrong thread but still sign of the times.  West Virginia has over 30 enter the transfer portal.  About 1/3 of the team.  Ouch.

[goyotes]

2 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Any rumors as to why?

$$$$$$ from $500,000 to $2,000,000 each.  The system is broke.  

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, goyotes said:

$$$$$$ from $500,000 to $2,000,000 each.  The system is broke.  

Good for them. Take that money and run!

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, goyotes said:

$$$$$$ from $500,000 to $2,000,000 each.  The system is broke.  

 

1 hour ago, goyotes said:

$$$$$$ from $500,000 to $2,000,000 each.  The system is broke.  

As soon as I hit submit I figured out $$$$$ was probably the answer.  Those are big numbers.  The system is broken for sure.  Don't know the answer but I think at some point there have to be 2 year contracts or something for players collecting NIL money.  

[HoopsFan03]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Good for them. Take that money and run!

Agree, good for them! Not sure how kids being compensated for their talents makes the system broke. 

[Siouxperman8]

36 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Agree, good for them! Not sure how kids being compensated for their talents makes the system broke. 

I'm fine with kids getting paid but still think the system is broken.  The NCAA men's bb had all No. 1 seeds make the final 4 for the second time ever.  15 of final 16 teams were seeded 6th or higher.  Any smaller teams that have a good year have their kids gone by the next year.  Some HS seniors are taking it in the shorts as a lot of coaches are only interested in transfer kids. I talked to a D1 volleyball commit last week who had her scholarship pulled because the Atlantic 10 school decided to go with all transfer kids.  

My opinion - if it is going to be pay for play, needs to be some hooks like pro sports with contracts that include the number of years.   Has to go both ways as schools/collectives and players make that commitment.

The Siouxperman8 very preliminary clause - Let's say you sign with UND for $100k/year for 2 years and decide to leave after 1 year for more $$, you have a buyout clause that pays back some portion of the first $100k to the collective.  The new school collective can pay that for you if they want you bad enough.

 

[FSSD]

11 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Agree, good for them! Not sure how kids being compensated for their talents makes the system broke. 

I could see your point if sports paid for themselves.  I think UND athletics department runs on apprimately 50% schools funds (and this does not count the $100s M in capital inverstment).  Right now you have the foundation of the old system (scholarship/education) propping up the new (NIL/Transfer Portal) system.  No doubt the P4's will always survive due to TV money.  I don't know about the long term for the rest.   I can see more and more sports being cut and do you see the public/private support for facilites at lower level in 10/20 yrs?

[Nodak78]

Money Ball for sure.   all colleges except most of the P4 teams and a good share of the lower level p4 are along for the ride.  More P4 equals pro.  All others summer league baseball players hoping to move up.  

[geaux_sioux]

12 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Agree, good for them! Not sure how kids being compensated for their talents makes the system broke. 

If my kid is at UND and get offered a cool mill to go anywhere I’m packing his bags for him. That kind of money that early in life changes everything if it’s handled responsibly. 

[gundy1124]

10 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I'm fine with kids getting paid but still think the system is broken.  The NCAA men's bb had all No. 1 seeds make the final 4 for the second time ever.  15 of final 16 teams were seeded 6th or higher.  Any smaller teams that have a good year have their kids gone by the next year.  Some HS seniors are taking it in the shorts as a lot of coaches are only interested in transfer kids. I talked to a D1 volleyball commit last week who had her scholarship pulled because the Atlantic 10 school decided to go with all transfer kids.  

My opinion - if it is going to be pay for play, needs to be some hooks like pro sports with contracts that include the number of years.   Has to go both ways as schools/collectives and players make that commitment.

The Siouxperman8 very preliminary clause - Let's say you sign with UND for $100k/year for 2 years and decide to leave after 1 year for more $$, you have a buyout clause that pays back some portion of the first $100k to the collective.  The new school collective can pay that for you if they want you bad enough.

 

1.  The FCS needs to come together and demand compensation for finding and developing players.  Players will still leave, but at least the FCS program(s) will receive some benefit, $$ for the transaction. 

2.  What will/is also happening is say Alabama wants a kid, but doesn't have a roster spot, an FCS and FBS program will essentially partner in placing a kid at FCS knowing that Alabama has a high interest the following year.  Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of close proximity options in this area to "partner" with but maybe the location of the 2 schools isn't that important.  It would be advantageous for an FCS school to just embrace this right away and have FBS schools place some 1 year Blue Chippers on their roster(s).  UND could be doing this right now.

[HoopsFan03]

4 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

If my kid is at UND and get offered a cool mill to go anywhere I’m packing his bags for him. That kind of money that earlier in life changes everything if it’s handled responsibly. 

The old heads say they would turn down a mill at 20 though because……….loyalty  

[The Sicatoka]

No, the "old heads" are wondering why you're tossing $1M at an 18 y/o. 

[HoopsFan03]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

No, the "old heads" are wondering why you're tossing $1M at an 18 y/o. 

Because the market currently says that is the going rate.

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Because the market currently says that is the going rate.

We have met the enemy and it is us. 

[Nodak78]

6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

We have met the enemy and it is us. 

yes unless you have a lot of money to throw at the NIL.  You don't make a difference at this level except very marginal.

[F'n Hawks]

12 hours ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Agree, good for them! Not sure how kids being compensated for their talents makes the system broke. 

College athletes absolutely deserve to be paid and it was long overdue. With that being said, some guardrails or regulation would be nice. 

[GoodGood]

34 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

1.  The FCS needs to come together and demand compensation for finding and developing players.  Players will still leave, but at least the FCS program(s) will receive some benefit, $$ for the transaction. 

2.  What will/is also happening is say Alabama wants a kid, but doesn't have a roster spot, an FCS and FBS program will essentially partner in placing a kid at FCS knowing that Alabama has a high interest the following year.  Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of close proximity options in this area to "partner" with but maybe the location of the 2 schools isn't that important.  It would be advantageous for an FCS school to just embrace this right away and have FBS schools place some 1 year Blue Chippers on their roster(s).  UND could be doing this right now.

Are FCS programs going to compensate d2, d3, and naia programs that they poach players from? 

[geaux_sioux]

16 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Because the market currently says that is the going rate.

Might as well benefit from the Wild West while it lasts. It’s on the useless and corrupt NCAA to figure it out. They set the rules. Can’t blame schools, boosters, and athletes for playing within them.

[jdub27]

1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said:

Might as well benefit from the Wild West while it lasts. It’s on the useless and corrupt NCAA to figure it out. They set the rules. Can’t blame schools, boosters, and athletes for playing within them.

At some point, the clearinghouse will look at these alleged "market rates" for college athletes and determine that they aren't actually that. They are being paid to play. Which is not what NIL was created for. Everyone knows that is what is currently going on, however it just isn't being enforced. 

The truly bad side (which is saying a lot with the unregulated disaster it has become) of it is the kids who continue to get bad advice, which is happening on all ends of the spectrum from Tennessee's former QB to low level kids being told to go in the portal to get money when there isn't a home for them and now they are done playing. Lot of bad actors out there taking advantage of people with no consequences. 

[Coach4Life]

6 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

College athletes absolutely deserve to be paid and it was long overdue. With that being said, some guardrails or regulation would be nice. 

I agree with this 100%. The 1st guardrail has to be eliminating the spring portal for football. FCS programs get hammered in mid April when FBS schools suddenly need a player; it's not fair and should be stopped.

[geaux_sioux]

2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

At some point, the clearinghouse will look at these alleged "market rates" for college athletes and determine that they aren't actually that. They are being paid to play. Which is not what NIL was created for. Everyone knows that is what is currently going on, however it just isn't being enforced. 

The truly bad side (which is saying a lot with the unregulated disaster it has become) of it is the kids who continue to get bad advice, which is happening on all ends of the spectrum from Tennessee's former QB to low level kids being told to go in the portal to get money when there isn't a home for them and now they are done playing. Lot of bad actors out there taking advantage of people with no consequences. 

It’s just like when dudes were getting told to go straight to the NBA out of HS and ending up pumping gas a year later. The rule makers will have to adjust eventually. In the mean time a kid can change the trajectory of their family for generations from a nice NIL deal. I’m all for that.

[gundy1124]

9 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

Are FCS programs going to compensate d2, d3, and naia programs that they poach players from? 

Not sure that's where the system is falling apart.........we certainly didn't pay any lower level players other than a scholarship if that.

[GoodGood]

20 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Not sure that's where the system is falling apart.........we certainly didn't pay any lower level players other than a scholarship if that.

I thought we were compensating for the time, money, and resources put into a kid? Not the kids NIL value..

[Kab]

Most of these kids won’t make near what they make once they leave college, not that many can go pro 

there is no athlete worth a million $ a year to play 12 football or 30 basketball games a year.

but it’s like anything else they are worth what someone else is willing to pay