Non-UND College Hockey 2024-25

[GDPritch]

14 hours ago, cberkas said:

What irritates me is UND doesn't blow out bad teams like teams of the same caliber do every year.

That’s what we do (don’t do).  We seem to play to the level of competition.  It would also help if we played a full 50 to near 60 minutes vice 30 - 40 minutes at best.  Putting more shots on goal (we seem to miss the net a ton) is a good idea too.

[cberkas]

2 minutes ago, GDPritch said:

That’s what we do (don’t do).  We seem to play to the level of competition.  It would also help if we played a full 50 to near 60 minutes vice 30 - 40 minutes at best.  Putting more shots on goal (we seem to miss the net a ton) is a good idea too.

I'd like to get more shot for rebounds and tips instead of picking corners on most shots. Looks nice shooting high upper corner but that guy on the back door no one is covering is a very nice goal too.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

13 hours ago, cberkas said:

Michigan State beats Wisconsin 4-3 OT

Not needing special jerseys for the event speaks to the quality of their normal threads

[cberkas]

1 minute ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Not needing special jerseys for the event speaks to the quality of their normal threads

Their fans were thinking scruffy Sparty jersey was going to make a comeback

[brianvf]

Merrimack upsets #17 Dartmouth 2-1, which drops them all the way to #25 in the PWR.

That result moves UND up another spot to #20.

[sioux rube]

So UNLV beats DU and the UJ Jimmie's beat UNLV. This game is crazy at times 

[cberkas]

If the NHL would stop recycling old coaches that continually never get it done year after year and end up fired. Philly and Seattle both screwed up with firing Hak after he overachieved and followed up with what the team really was. Need new blood in the NHL and need to let them do work for more than a year or two. If I was Carle I'd stay until I was given a long term guaranteed contract.  

[cberkas]

Not a bad idea

[siouxfaninseattle]

1 hour ago, cberkas said:

Not a bad idea

Much as I dislike free-agency, this looks like a good idea. Barring other factors (coach leaving, etc.) when is the earliest players can enter the portal? After their team is done for the season?

[siouxforce19]

4 hours ago, siouxfaninseattle said:

Much as I dislike free-agency, this looks like a good idea. Barring other factors (coach leaving, etc.) when is the earliest players can enter the portal? After their team is done for the season?

I thought it opens after regionals are over but I’m not 100 percent on that. I am pretty sure it’s a set date for everyone and not dependent on when your team is done.

[brianvf]

5 hours ago, siouxfaninseattle said:

Much as I dislike free-agency, this looks like a good idea. Barring other factors (coach leaving, etc.) when is the earliest players can enter the portal? After their team is done for the season?

1 hour ago, siouxforce19 said:

I thought it opens after regionals are over but I’m not 100 percent on that. I am pretty sure it’s a set date for everyone and not dependent on when your team is done.

Here are the dates for the portal for the 2024 season.  This next year 2025 won't have graduate students in portal any longer...no more 5th year! 

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Graduating students can enter the portal whenever they choose.
Non-graduates can enter the portal from March 31-May 14.
If there's a head coaching change or a player's aid is reduced, that player can also enter the portal.

 

[siouxkid12]

17 hours ago, cberkas said:

If the NHL would stop recycling old coaches that continually never get it done year after year and end up fired. Philly and Seattle both screwed up with firing Hak after he overachieved and followed up with what the team really was. Need new blood in the NHL and need to let them do work for more than a year or two. If I was Carle I'd stay until I was given a long term guaranteed contract.  

Even a long term guaranteed contract wouldn't stop an NHL team from firing him. The issue is owners want a return on their investment, and they want it fast. They cannot/won't get rid of players that are under performing and they cater to players who whine and complain when the coaches challenge them. I understand everyone who puts on a pair of skates has a goal of reaching the NHL but at some point, the business side of it rears its ugly face and throws you to the wolves. 

It's easy for us fans to sit back and suggest what he should and shouldn't do but my feeling is, if Denver keeps giving you everything you want/need to keep the program as successful as it is, why not stay and become the Nick Saban of college hockey? 
Selfishly, I would say go, so we don't ever have to see him again though!  

[SJHovey]

It's got to be an interesting problem for someone like Carle to consider.

First, with respect to the pay, it's not an automatic that someone like Carle would conclude he has to make the jump.  NHL coaches are obviously paid more, but in some cases it's not that much more.  He'd probably get offered something like $1.5-2 million/year.  It's not like he'd get ten times the salary he is making at the college level.

There has to be a desire to know whether you can occupy and perform one of the top 30 hockey coaching jobs in the world.

Carle certainly has job security at DU, but even that can change.  Everyone thought Lucia could remain the MN coach for life after he came in as a hot coach out of CC and won two championships for the gophers.  10 years later they couldn't wait to be rid of him.

To me, the biggest concern for a college coach has to be NIL, and what is going to happen in that regard.  If both college and the NHL are going to be about who pays players what to come and play for them, why not take the NHL job?

[siouxkid12]

41 minutes ago, SJHovey said:

It's got to be an interesting problem for someone like Carle to consider.

First, with respect to the pay, it's not an automatic that someone like Carle would conclude he has to make the jump.  NHL coaches are obviously paid more, but in some cases it's not that much more.  He'd probably get offered something like $1.5-2 million/year.  It's not like he'd get ten times the salary he is making at the college level.

There has to be a desire to know whether you can occupy and perform one of the top 30 hockey coaching jobs in the world.

Carle certainly has job security at DU, but even that can change.  Everyone thought Lucia could remain the MN coach for life after he came in as a hot coach out of CC and won two championships for the gophers.  10 years later they couldn't wait to be rid of him.

To me, the biggest concern for a college coach has to be NIL, and what is going to happen in that regard.  If both college and the NHL are going to be about who pays players what to come and play for them, why not take the NHL job?

I really don't think NIL money is going to have a huge impact on college hockey like it does in Football and Basketball. Hockey players have the option to sign an NHL deal at a young age compared to football and basketball players. If you are fringe player, maybe an NIL deal is good for you in the short-term, but you won't be getting life changing money that would entice you to make a choice of staying or leaving. 

[SJHovey]

24 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

I really don't think NIL money is going to have a huge impact on college hockey like it does in Football and Basketball. Hockey players have the option to sign an NHL deal at a young age compared to football and basketball players. If you are fringe player, maybe an NIL deal is good for you in the short-term, but you won't be getting life changing money that would entice you to make a choice of staying or leaving. 

You're not going to see it on the scale that you do with say football.  Kids aren't going to be getting millions of dollars.

But I think we're kidding ourselves if we think it won't have any impact.  If a kid is choosing between say us and Minnesota, and if they offer the kid even $25,000 and we offer nothing, I don't like our chances.  A school could make a difference with even a fund of say a half million dollars, which is peanuts to the big schools.

[sioux rube]

Listening to the Spittin Chicklets podcast today on my daily walk and they said Carle is currently making 710,000 a year. He just may want to be like Parker and York and stay with Denver as he's assured a job for a long long time. Money does talk but so does knowing you won't be moving from city to city like nhl coaches do. It will be interesting to see where this goes 

[siouxkid12]

1 hour ago, SJHovey said:

You're not going to see it on the scale that you do with say football.  Kids aren't going to be getting millions of dollars.

But I think we're kidding ourselves if we think it won't have any impact.  If a kid is choosing between say us and Minnesota, and if they offer the kid even $25,000 and we offer nothing, I don't like our chances.  A school could make a difference with even a fund of say a half million dollars, which is peanuts to the big schools.

My thoughts are if we are in a bidding war for a star player that demands money of that caliber, they won't be staying at whatever school long enough anyway. Wouldn't we want players that are going to stay long enough to develop and win? Otherwise we are stuck in the same cycle of "waiting for players to learn how to play with one another" or looking into the portal all the time. Also, NCAA schools have been fighting the pay battle for a long time against the CHL. 

[dden3]

22 hours ago, cberkas said:

If the NHL would stop recycling old coaches that continually never get it done year after year and end up fired. Philly and Seattle both screwed up with firing Hak after he overachieved and followed up with what the team really was. Need new blood in the NHL and need to let them do work for more than a year or two. If I was Carle I'd stay until I was given a long term guaranteed contract.  

Hak is due to be recycled soon I suppose when he's through collecting on his last contract. 
 

NHL is still full of old school hockey mentality.  I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL scouts are similar to the old school scouts in baseballs Moneyball movie: rating players by the looks of the player's girlfriend!

[scpa0305]

2 hours ago, siouxkid12 said:

My thoughts are if we are in a bidding war for a star player that demands money of that caliber, they won't be staying at whatever school long enough anyway. Wouldn't we want players that are going to stay long enough to develop and win? Otherwise we are stuck in the same cycle of "waiting for players to learn how to play with one another" or looking into the portal all the time. Also, NCAA schools have been fighting the pay battle for a long time against the CHL. 

Well those are the non blue chips folks complain about. If you get a blue chip, anything over a year is awesome, anything over two years is unreal. So to me, you have to assume any blue chip is only here 1-2 years. That happens today.

[Goon]

Keep buying the shirts and jerseys from the Sioux Shop. They get a fee from every shirt that is sold. 

[cberkas]

He played 10 games. Horcoff joining mid season must have made him want to leave.