Kab Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The entrance is pathetic between plays is the same old same old the 3rd down guy should find something else, all that is is noise and only works seldom use the video boards more, I liked the hawk staring down, have the hawk picking up a bison, a rabbit, a coyote an entz , I’m sure some graphic artist students could do a good job on this use the hawk up in the stands, where does he go after the start of the game? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The Kaminski talk is nuts. I just read that Eli Manning sat the RS year AND the following year. He then played 3 consecutive years in college. He said he NEEDED to sit and learn those first two years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 26 minutes ago, shep said: The Kaminski talk is nuts. I just read that Eli Manning sat the RS year AND the following year. He then played 3 consecutive years in college. He said he NEEDED to sit and learn those first two years. It's completely idiotic. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SiouxBoys said: It's completely idiotic. It’s impossible for a freshman to start at QB… How did it work out for the Jacks? https://gojacks.com/sports/football/roster/mark-gronowski/12203 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Midwestern Hawk said: It’s impossible for a freshman to start at QB… How did it work out for the Jacks? https://gojacks.com/sports/football/roster/mark-gronowski/12203 Nice! Have another example? No? Great talk! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SiouxBoys said: It's completely idiotic. I agree with you on this. If Kaminski has stuck with us for this long, I just don't see him entering the portal because he isn't starting as a freshman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, fightingsioux4life said: I agree with you on this. Kaminski has stuck with us for this long, I just don't see him entering the portal because he isn't starting as a freshman. And if he does, then that's not the kind of player needed in a program. I'm extremely excited for Jerry when his time comes. It's not his time yet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: Nice! Have another example? No? Great talk! You said to even talk about it is idiotic. I simply pointed out it has happened. If not for the injury the Jacks would have won a natty. We are just trying to beat a good FCS team once in awhile. Maybe Kaminski is not that good, I don’t know. If he is good and is not playing because he is a true Frosh, he will likely be somewhere else next season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Midwestern Hawk said: You said to even talk about it is idiotic. I simply pointed out it has happened. If not for the injury the Jacks would have won a natty. We are just trying to beat a good FCS team once in awhile. Maybe Kaminski is not that good, I don’t know. If he is good and is not playing because he is a true Frosh, he will likely be somewhere else next season. UND beat that true Frosh phenom. Jerry is good. His time will come. If he was better than the other QB's right now, he'd be playing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: UND beat that true Frosh phenom. Jerry is good. His time will come. If he was better than the other QB's right now, he'd be playing. I agree, we did beat him and the Jacks. It was our last win against a really good team… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: I agree, we did beat him and the Jacks. It was our last win against a really good team… The argument on Jerry would be much better if it wasn't based on a single bike ride by a random practice one day as well. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: The argument on Jerry would be much better if it wasn't based on a single bike ride by a random practice one day as well. So you KNOW he is not better upside than Tommy? Was that your bike ride INTEL? Any bets on Tommy’s stat line vs NDSU Saturday? Will Tommy avg more then 5 yards per attempt? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, Midwestern Hawk said: So you KNOW he is not better upside than Tommy? Was that your bike ride INTEL? No, I do not. I'm guessing and hoping he has higher upside than Tommy. But right now, Tommy is better. If he wasn't then Jerry would be playing. Three options, go ahead and pick: A). Tommy is better than Jerry right now. (Emphasis on right now. I hope when Jerry takes over, he ends up being the best QB in program history) B). Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches aren't smart enough to see it. C). Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches are purposefully losing games by not playing the better QB. I'll go with option A. You? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: It’s impossible for a freshman to start at QB… How did it work out for the Jacks? https://gojacks.com/sports/football/roster/mark-gronowski/12203 No it isn’t impossible. 8 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: You said to even talk about it is idiotic. I simply pointed out it has happened. If not for the injury the Jacks would have won a natty. We are just trying to beat a good FCS team once in awhile. Maybe Kaminski is not that good, I don’t know. If he is good and is not playing because he is a true Frosh, he will likely be somewhere else next season. We are trying to consistently beat the good FCS teams and a good FBS team once in awhile. I don’t see anyone claiming Kaminski isn’t very good with a great upside. The reason he isn’t playing now is that he isn’t ready and there are 3 guys in front of him who are ready. He may get some time yet this year as long as he doesn’t lose eligibility. Where do you get the idea that if he doesn’t play as a freshman he will leave?Feeney didn’t play as a freshman and stayed. I would expect the same from Kaminski. Both of them have coaches who should be able to guide them. No one knows if SDSU would have won a title had he stayed healthy. Maybe, maybe not. Grownowski probably would not have moved up if the starter, the back up, and the 3 were all completing over 70% of their passes with no ints. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, SiouxBoys said: No, I do not. I'm guessing and hoping he has higher upside than Tommy. But right now, Tommy is better. If he wasn't then Jerry would be playing. Three options, go ahead and pick: A). Tommy is better than Jerry right now. (Emphasis on right now. I hope when Jerry takes over, he ends up being the best QB in program history) B). Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches aren't smart enough to see it. C). Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches are purposefully losing games by not playing the better QB. I'll go with option A. You? How about option D? Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches are afraid to pull the trigger? Again I don’t know the facts on the situation. I find it hard to believe we have all these QBs and nobody gives us a better chance to beat a good team than a qb who doesn’t like to run and who will get us about 4.5 yards per attempt. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, Midwestern Hawk said: How about option D? Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches are afraid to pull the trigger? Again I don’t know the facts on the situation. I find it hard to believe we have all these QBs and nobody gives us a better chance to beat a good team than a qb who doesn’t like to run and who will get us about 4.5 yards per attempt. Afraid of what? That wasn't an option for a reason. It's genuinely dumb to think that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, iramurphy said: No it isn’t impossible. We are trying to consistently beat the good FCS teams and a good FBS team once in awhile. I don’t see anyone claiming Kaminski isn’t very good with a great upside. The reason he isn’t playing now is that he isn’t ready and there are 3 guys in front of him who are ready. He may get some time yet this year as long as he doesn’t lose eligibility. Where do you get the idea that if he doesn’t play as a freshman he will leave?Feeney didn’t play as a freshman and stayed. I would expect the same from Kaminski. Both of them have coaches who should be able to guide them. No one knows if SDSU would have won a title had he stayed healthy. Maybe, maybe not. Grownowski probably would not have moved up if the starter, the back up, and the 3 were all completing over 70% of their passes with no ints. The “impossible” comment triggered me. Your comments are likely correct. It scares me that Tommy is still our best choice. We need more than a “game manager” to beat SU on Saturday. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: So you KNOW he is not better upside than Tommy? Was that your bike ride INTEL? Any bets on Tommy’s stat line vs NDSU Saturday? Will Tommy avg more then 5 yards per attempt? You don’t get to start cuz of your potential. Give the kid a chance to adjust to the speed and complexity of the college game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, Midwestern Hawk said: The “impossible” comment triggered me. Your comments are likely correct. It scares me that Tommy is still our best choice. We need more than a “game manager” to beat SU on Saturday. Nobody said "impossible". I said idiotic, like thinking the coaches are afraid to do it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: How about option D? Jerry is better than Tommy, but the coaches are afraid to pull the trigger? Again I don’t know the facts on the situation. I find it hard to believe we have all these QBs and nobody gives us a better chance to beat a good team than a qb who doesn’t like to run and who will get us about 4.5 yards per attempt. He is averaging over 10 yds per completion and over 7 yds per attempt. I don’t believe he will put a team on his back and win games. What he does well is protect the ball and he doesn’t lose games for you. I think Feeney has a bigger upside but I’m not at practice everyday. Feeney needs to be patient and hopefully his time will come sooner rather than later. Don’t forget Romfo has also shown promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux94 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I think the big difference between Gronowski starting as a true freshman and Kaminski is there was nobody proven ahead of him. I haven't looked any of this up but I think SDSU graduates their stud QB.......and the next year Gronowski took over and beat out the other guy who they were not maybe even that high in, it's not like Gronowski came in and took the starting spot from a 3 year starter that was on the Walter Payton watch list. To your point though SDSU would have absolutely won that Championship game if he was healthy the whole game IMO. But I would also bet even Kaminski's dad is probably ok with Jerry red shirting this year. I am also with you though us struggling to move the ball with Tommy in against NDSU this week. We can't dink and dunk against good teams all day long and expect to win. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 9 hours ago, iramurphy said: He is averaging over 10 yds per completion and over 7 yds per attempt. I don’t believe he will put a team on his back and win games. What he does well is protect the ball and he doesn’t lose games for you. I think Feeney has a bigger upside but I’m not at practice everyday. Feeney needs to be patient and hopefully his time will come sooner rather than later. Don’t forget Romfo has also shown promise. Tommy is not averaging over 5 yards per attempt in the big games. He also does not like to run . With “adequate” QB play the rest of the team needs to be better than the opponent. Far easier to defend a team where the QB doesn’t throw deep and won’t run. We need Tommy to be at 8+ yards per attempt on Saturday and have half a dozen runs for 30 yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The WR crew has gotten better, but I am still not seeing a ton of explosiveness from them in general. I don't care how far your QB can toss the pigskin if his receivers aren't out there to catch it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoopsFan03 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 41 minutes ago, shep said: The WR crew has gotten better, but I am still not seeing a ton of explosiveness from them in general. I don't care how far your QB can toss the pigskin if his receivers aren't out there to catch it. So which is it? At the beginning of the year UND 360 and people on here were saying this was the deepest WR room UND has had in a LONG time. Now all of a sudden our WR room is bad? Is this really the best excuse people can make for our QB that can't throw the ball further than 5 yards? Maybe it is the lack of a deep ball that allows CB's to sit on every route and not allow any separation? I guess that would be too logical of an answer though. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 40 minutes ago, shep said: The WR crew has gotten better, but I am still not seeing a ton of explosiveness from them in general. I don't care how far your QB can toss the pigskin if his receivers aren't out there to catch it. Yeah, I've been thinking about the "dink and dunk" comments regarding the passing game, and it seems like most are putting that blame on Tommy's arm. That's not fair because he's able to throw 20-30+ yard pass plays, but a lot of things need to come together for a long pass play to happen, not just what the QB is doing or his arm strength. Need to get good line protection to allow time for receivers to get separation, provided they can. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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