2024 UND Football

[jdub27]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

You epitomize the status quo. You antagonize innovation and improvement (change). But, you are consistent with your message and provide an excellent example of the very mindset permeating throughout UND decision-makers (e.g., Chaves) right now, particularly in regards to UND football. This microcosm is a nice example for us trying to understand the proposed rationale for poor decision-making, so, thank you. 

Saying a new OC is good in the long-run is antagonizing innovation and pushing the status quo? Wild.

Just because people don't continuously beat a dead horse anonymously on a message board, hold grudges, threaten to withhold donations and demand to burn everything down doesn't not mean they aren't actually working on different ways to improve the program and athletic department by actually doing things that hopefully help.

I assume/hope we all wants what is best for UND. We definitely all have different views on how that can/should be accomplished.

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Saying a new OC is good in the long-run is antagonizing innovation and pushing the status quo? Wild.

Just because people don't continuously beat a dead horse anonymously on a message board, hold grudges, threaten to withhold donations and demand to burn everything down doesn't not mean they aren't actually working on different ways to improve the program and athletic department by actually doing things that hopefully help.

I assume/hope we all wants what is best for UND. We definitely all have different views on how that can/should be accomplished.

Defense has been awful the past couple seasons. Team is awful on the road and after big games. Can’t advance in the playoffs when they do happen to sneak in. That is not the offensive coordinator’s fault, but rather the head ball coach (who is supposed to be a defensive guy). 

[homer]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Defense has been awful the past couple seasons. Team is awful on the road and after big games. Can’t advance in the playoffs when they do happen to sneak in. That is not the offensive coordinator’s fault, but rather the head ball coach (who is supposed to be a defensive guy). 

Offensive coordinators play calling post NDSU deserves no blame?? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, homer said:

Offensive coordinators play calling post NDSU deserves no blame?? 

Not sure you can blame the offense the past two seasons. During the playoff games (games that truly matter), the offense scored over 30 points in both games and still lost … 

In big games, we know which unit is more likely to not show up …

Offensive coordinator and his unit have not been perfect the last several seasons, that is for sure, but the defense has been the weakest link and the team’s mindset/execution in road games is horrendous. 

[jdub27]

4 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Can’t advance in the playoffs when they do happen to sneak in.

Won't argue on the advancing but what year's have they "snuck in"? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

42 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Won't argue on the advancing but what year's have they "snuck in"? 

Other than 2016, in terms of playoff field, they’ve always been 67th percentile or lower.

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Other than 2016, in terms of playoff field, they’ve always been 67th percentile or lower.

Haven't looked back but have they ever been in the last 4 in? Or been a controversial pick? 

That would be sneaking in by almost anyone's definition. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

2 hours ago, jdub27 said:

Haven't looked back but have they ever been in the last 4 in? Or been a controversial pick? 

That would be sneaking in by almost anyone's definition. 

2019 was the most suspect due to no conference. I think 2022 and 2023 were felt to be comfortable only because of MVFC affiliation, not because the team exceeded expectations.

[The Sicatoka]

Sticking to facts and questions:

The head FB coach has a contract through the 2025 season. 
A lame duck HC has an impact on retention (assistants, players, recruits). 

What's the plan beyond the present ends-in-2025 HC contract? <-- This a question for Chaves; he has a podcast; so ask it.  

[shep]

9 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Sticking to facts and questions:

The head FB coach has a contract through the 2025 season. 
A lame duck HC has an impact on retention (assistants, players, recruits). 

What's the plan beyond the present ends-in-2025 HC contract? <-- This a question for Chaves; he has a podcast; so ask it.  

Wouldn't the likely answer be:

We are working on that, but the 2024 season will have some impact on that decision so we need to see how that plays out.

[gfhockey]

14 minutes ago, shep said:

Wouldn't the likely answer be:

We are working on that, but the 2024 season will have some impact on that decision so we need to see how that plays out.

Or the answer will likely be we are going to sit back take a look at everything evaluate the college football landscape think philosophically make an educated guess and then sign the contract with a three-year extension

[shep]

41 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Or the answer will likely be we are going to sit back take a look at everything evaluate the college football landscape think philosophically make an educated guess and then sign the contract with a three-year extension

I'm impressed with the eloquence of this post.

Actually, I'm stunned.

[UND-FB-FAN]

Another illustration of the “issues”: 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/after-coaching-exits-herald-data-shows-unds-pay-for-top-football-coaches-lags-behind-league-peers?fbclid=IwAR0txqJDvRyfm3RKEWSmmw-WEQlyq7YQvxgganf7cyFb07eGnpODJJSKMVE_aem_ASiE8YUMaNUeSIQPxDTa-Jz88Dgr8ApXIZbNZxZkrExBdKPr0ARy8ROKXo-FC_wq0po

[UND-FB-FAN]

12 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Or the answer will likely be we are going to sit back take a look at everything evaluate the college football landscape think philosophically make an educated guess and then sign the contract with a three-year extension

Unfortunately, this is most probable outcome, but it’s not the right outcome in my opinion. 
 

Improvement is “hard”

[AJS]

15 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Another illustration of the “issues”: 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/after-coaching-exits-herald-data-shows-unds-pay-for-top-football-coaches-lags-behind-league-peers?fbclid=IwAR0txqJDvRyfm3RKEWSmmw-WEQlyq7YQvxgganf7cyFb07eGnpODJJSKMVE_aem_ASiE8YUMaNUeSIQPxDTa-Jz88Dgr8ApXIZbNZxZkrExBdKPr0ARy8ROKXo-FC_wq0po

Shouldn't this be for almost any program a minor issue? Look at UND's athletic budget. For 250K more per year, you could be at the top of the league for salaries. Call it 500K and all of a suddenly you're at the top for all sports. I do think Chaves has done a lot of really good things. Facilities are top notch (once Phase II is completed). Weird that what appears to be the easiest thing to accomplish $ wise, is the only thing that's lacking from this Athletic department. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

Wait, there’s more:

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/miller-coaching-exits-not-about-the-financial-gap-and-all-about-the-financial-gap?fbclid=IwAR2At4yxzzZuviRaVgWgJBlG8mmfsAxj6z0bR8X-9YmlYkVo5d8zijMDr8Y_aem_AShWdNYV_1Y1iEC2I3pW8vTRF6z5y5u_8PN5toN3eOJob8yut3j610WpN2Z2W18HJYA

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 minutes ago, AJS said:

Shouldn't this be for almost any program a minor issue? Look at UND's athletic budget. For 250K more per year, you could be at the top of the league for salaries. Call it 500K and all of a suddenly you're at the top for all sports. I do think Chaves has done a lot of really good things. Facilities are top notch (once Phase II is completed). Weird that what appears to be the easiest thing to accomplish $ wise, is the only thing that's lacking from this Athletic department. 

Regionally speaking, in terms of trying to recruit folks to work and live in Grand Forks, ND, it’s an incredibly, should we say, suspect strategy to have bottom-half salaries compared to conference peers. In my opinion, it’s ridiculous and puts UND athletics in an immediate disadvantage. 

[GoHawks]

Quote from Chaves "The schools investment in football isn't hindered by UND's successful hockey program". 

[UND1983]

“Since I've been here, our nutrition is better. Our facilities will be better. Our game day experience is better. The turf is better. Mental health is better. All of that's better. Our salaries have been better. So now we just have to keep grinding, keep going.”

Quick question Bill:  why hasn't our record gotten better?

[CMSioux]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Another illustration of the “issues”: 

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/college/after-coaching-exits-herald-data-shows-unds-pay-for-top-football-coaches-lags-behind-league-peers?fbclid=IwAR0txqJDvRyfm3RKEWSmmw-WEQlyq7YQvxgganf7cyFb07eGnpODJJSKMVE_aem_ASiE8YUMaNUeSIQPxDTa-Jz88Dgr8ApXIZbNZxZkrExBdKPr0ARy8ROKXo-FC_wq0po

So does this make it appear like the only reason our assistant coach's salaries are competition is because Bubba has been declining raises and passing the money down? 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, CMSioux said:

So does this make it appear like the only reason our assistant coach's salaries are competition is because Bubba has been declining raises and passing the money down? 

Ridiculous proposition, although Chaves went with it, because as Tom Miller wrote in his article, Bubba won’t be here forever to save that ridiculous budgeting plan, if indeed true. The cold hard truth is football is not appropriately emphasized at UND. Money talks. If you also read Miller’s article, he makes perhaps the best point of all; it’s not what the head coach’s salary is that is correlated with success, but rather what the assistant coaches make that is in fact correlated with success. UND’s assistant coaches - namely coordinators - are not compensated like a championship program within the MVFC. SDSU and NDSU on the other hand…

[homer]

After the facilities are complete Chaves certainly has work to do regarding salaries.   Would be interesting to see how the recent new hires compare to what was replaced.  
 

I’d rather have the facilities first as that is what recruits care about but an argument could be made the other way I suppose to check the boxes in the article. 

[gundy1124]

14 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Ridiculous proposition, although Chaves went with it, because as Tom Miller wrote in his article, Bubba won’t be here forever to save that ridiculous budgeting plan, if indeed true. The cold hard truth is UND football is not appropriately emphasized at UND. Money talks. If you also read Miller’s article, he makes perhaps the best point of all; it’s not what the head coach’s salary is that is correlated with success, but rather what the assistant coaches make that is in fact correlated with success. UND’s assistant coaches - namely coordinators - are not compensated like a championship program within the MVFC. SDSU and NDSU on the other hand…

It's true, have heard this, and the numbers show it.  As hard as some have been on Bubba, would all of you do the same??  Our coordinators are better paid than Bubba.

The average of the top 3 HC's made $368,046.  Bubba made 69.3% of this amount. 

The average of the top 3 OC's made $120,381.  Danny made 86.4% of this amount.   (If Bubba was at 86.4% like Danny, that would be another $63,000)

The average of the top 3 DC's made $117,402.  Joel made 75.3% of this amount. (not unreasonable for a 1st year DC)

Is it a good long-term strategy to expect the HC to take less money AND pass all increases onto assistants??  Nope!!

This is MVFC.

[gfhockey]

Chaves said there have been discussions over time on giving Schweigert a raise, but the coach has declined in order to spread the money elsewhere. Schweigert has been head coach at UND since 2014.
 

so we are looking at giving bubba a raise? Lol can’t make this stuff up

[homer]

2 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Chaves said there have been discussions over time on giving Schweigert a raise, but the coach has declined in order to spread the money elsewhere. Schweigert has been head coach at UND since 2014.
 

so we are looking at giving bubba a raise? Lol can’t make this stuff up

There are coaches making more that have accomplished less.