The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Irish said: Exactly - third year in a row for a portal goalie doesn't exactly scream top recruiting. This to me is the significant red flag. The rest is noise. I'm happy for the portal in one way: Last time we had a surprise departure we got Montgomery for Weatherby. Dare I predict Johannes for Caulfield turns out better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin G Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Wanting some news on d-men, Mr. Brad Schlossman! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, AJS said: Recruit more players. Like Wisconsin when they had 40 in the pipeline and anyone with fingers and toes could see the math didn't work? Our problem at D right now is Frisch didn't use the Covid year, Kleven signed, and 4, 6, and 24 portal'd out. If anything we might be pulling pipeline in early (see: Strathmann). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: This to me is the significant red flag. The rest is noise. I'm happy for the portal in one way: Last time we had a surprise departure we got Montgomery for Weatherby. Dare I predict Johannes for Caulfield turns out better. Even if we get an improvement from Johannes over Caulfield, I doubt it'd be anything more than a 15-15 type year (which would be phenomenal), but isn't going to put us over the hump of missing tourney to contending at Frozen Four. It's another mediocre body at best and only gives us one year. You can't discount his last six seasons of poor production and claim he's a great addition. Kids mature and change, but he didn't even get much opportunity for AIC. Lindenwood needed a body and somebody has to do a little scoring at some point, so he managed to do well last year. But, again, this kind of pickup shouldn't be what UND relies on in the future or the program is going to be doomed to mediocrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, The Sicatoka said: Like Wisconsin when they had 40 in the pipeline and anyone with fingers and toes could see the math didn't work? Our problem at D right now is Frisch didn't use the Covid year, Kleven signed, and 4, 6, and 24 portal'd out. If anything we might be pulling pipeline in early (see: Strathmann). I'm going with having a minimum of three forwards and two defenseman that by Christmas the year prior you know are available to come in. Seems a far cry from Wisconsin's overrecruiting. You've had a few weird stances lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big A HG said: ... this kind of pickup shouldn't be what UND relies on in the future ... What part of "late backfill for Judd" don't you see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Big A HG said: Tucker Poolman was a fifth round pick, drafted while still in the USHL. He was a late bloomer in the sense that he became a regular in the NHL versus a kid that was more likely to end up on a two-way AHL deal. I'd take a kid like Tucker 100/100 unless we had a roster full of kids who projected higher than he did already. Fifth year seniors from Lindenwood and Alaska do not equal Tucker Poolman. Oh, and Hak was still head coach when Poolman was recruited...ya know, the age where we could bring in elite levels of talent nearly every year, not just one or two good pieces some years. Take the name of the front of the jersey, the kid had a great year and he's a physical beast. Do we take him then? How do you feel about Jandric? He played at Alaska. Pyke. Alaska. The portal is a current need. We've gotten some of the best, if not the best, players out of the portal so far. Again, the conversation about overall recruiting isn't a bad one. It's fair to be worried about the recruiting in general. This thread isn't about that. It's about the portal and we've got some solid incoming kids. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big A HG said: Even if we get an improvement from Johannes over Caulfield, ... Wrong comparison. We got nothin' from Monty compared to Weatherby. If Johannes rolls a 5-10-15 (optimistic) and busts a guy's jaw for hacking on Blake (video, please) that's a far better "have to find a guy" pickup than Monty (and is comparable to Judd even). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said: Take the name of the front of the jersey, the kid had a great year and he's a physical beast. Do we take him then? How do you feel about Jandric? He played at Alaska. Pyke. Alaska. The portal is a current need. We've gotten some of the best, if not the best, players out of the portal so far. Again, the conversation about overall recruiting isn't a bad one. It's fair to be worried about the recruiting in general. This thread isn't about that. It's about the portal and we've got some solid incoming kids. Portal talent on top of elite recruiting led us to another Frozen Four this year, didn't it? Shoot, totally forgot. I'm just wondering how big of a stick Berry will need to keep portal kids away with the influx of elite talent already wanting to play here. Or do we use the stick to keep the elite talent away so we can have more Jandrics, Pykes, and Johannes'? Decisions, decisions.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Wrong comparison. We got nothin' from Monty compared to Weatherby. If Johannes rolls a 5-10-15 (optimistic) and busts a guy's jaw for hacking on Blake (video, please) that's a far better "have to find a guy" pickup than Monty (and is comparable to Judd even). You brought up the Caulfield/Johannes comparison and I even went so far as to give you the benefit of the doubt in terms of potential performance for Johannes, so... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, AJS said: I'm going with having a minimum of three forwards and two defenseman that by Christmas the year prior you know are available to come in. Seems a far cry from Wisconsin's overrecruiting. You've had a few weird stances lately. You mean Perron and Emerson? Panzer got hurt. They could bring Croal if they had to. And two defensemen? They have four if not five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 This place sure is owly. I can't imagine what it'd be if Goldy had won ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, The Sicatoka said: This place sure is owly. I can't imagine what it'd be if Goldy had won ... We all still love each other. These arguments remind of being a Packer fan living in Wisconsin back in 2008 when the Favre>>Rodgers transition happened...fights at Christmas, fights at the bar, fights among friends and neighbors. Brian doesn't like it when I say mean things about Berry though, so I have to be careful, even though I still like him too! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJS Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Just now, The Sicatoka said: You mean Perron and Emerson? Panzer got hurt. They could bring Croal if they had to. And two defensemen? They have four if not five. I misspoke. There needs to be a distinction between available to come in and ready to come in. Clearly, they don't feel Croal is ready to come in, or else he would be. By Christmas, there only seemed to be two recruits (Perron and Emerson) that were locks to come in. Last summer, there were zero defenseman ready to come in, which I would argue had a larger domino affect than anyone could have imagined (leaving UND with zero returners this Fall). I need to do a better job of leaving last year in the past. Here's to hoping Berry and Co nail the rest of their portal additions and moving forward, using the portal to enhance, not reliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Big A HG said: We all still love each other. Everyone ... a big Pecknold "I need a hug" group hug! But @Big A HG, you gotta go over by @MafiaMan and @Blackheart for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Everyone ... a big Pecknold "I need a hug" group hug! But @Big A HG, you gotta go over by @MafiaMan and @Blackheart for it. I’m good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin G Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Everyone ... a big Pecknold "I need a hug" group hug! But @Big A HG, you gotta go over by @MafiaMan and @Blackheart for it. 9 minutes ago, Blackheart said: I’m good. But @Blackheart: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Open ended question (Not looking to be combative or argumentative): I don't follow our hockey recruiting close enough, but are we just not offering enough guys or getting enough commitments in general? I know there were issues a few years back about Wisconsin offering endless guys and getting endless commitments and that they wouldn't be able to pull them all in. From a numbers standpoint, are we offering as many as other schools? Are we getting a similar number of commitments as other schools? Are we getting the commitments, but just from guys that are not developing as hoped? Something definitely feels different, but I'm not sure what it is. I know there are conversations around the B10 taking over, but schools like Denver have been consistently pulling in high end talent. Western has had a pretty nice run. SCSU and Duluth have certainly had strong teams (Duluth obviously with a down year, but they have some nice players coming in). I miss the days of connections to strong programs where we would get a string of recruits that already played together and had chemistry. Shattuck was great to this program for a while. Then Penticton provided a nice string of players too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, Kevin G said: But @Blackheart: That’s what I’m afraid of… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Big A HG said: Portal talent on top of elite recruiting led us to another Frozen Four this year, didn't it? Shoot, totally forgot. I'm just wondering how big of a stick Berry will need to keep portal kids away with the influx of elite talent already wanting to play here. Or do we use the stick to keep the elite talent away so we can have more Jandrics, Pykes, and Johannes'? Decisions, decisions.... LOL you're ignoring what I asked. Jandric was our best overall defensemen last year, IMO. He was a portal get. Getting important players from that setting is incredibly important this year, and we've seemingly gotten some very good players. AGAIN, this is NOT about the future. It's about filling current need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 2 hours ago, siouxfaninseattle said: This is not a good pick up, not a bad pick up, it's a desperation pick up. Because we need to fill a need? Yes. What's the other option? Not have a good player playing there? Yes, Johannes is a good player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franchise Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Big A HG said: These arguments remind of being a Packer fan living in Wisconsin back in 2008 when the Favre>>Rodgers transition happened... Yeah, but GB will never have another situation like that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said: LOL you're ignoring what I asked. Jandric was our best overall defensemen last year, IMO. He was a portal get. Getting important players from that setting is incredibly important this year, and we've seemingly gotten some very good players. AGAIN, this is NOT about the future. It's about filling current need. AGAIN, I've said that we can't ignore the portal, multiple times now. I may not have clarified that with my direct reply to your comment, but I've said it multiple times already so didn't feel the need to say it again. We should have an abundant and rich recruiting pipeline and use the portal to flesh out a final piece or two when needed with additional high end talent that slipped through the cracks and ended up at smaller hockey programs. It should not be relied upon to merely flesh out a roster if we want to compete at an elite level each year. AGAIN, I'm not saying you can't bring in guys from the portal, but this is more than just bringing in a final piece to a loaded roster...this is key part of how Berry has needed to create a roster, which is what we shouldn't rely on. You mention Jandric but fail to mention Farmer or Sidorski. Jandric has a history of multiple years of being a capable player and it shows. Sidorski didn't do much before he got here and didn't do a lot while he was here. Farmer was up and down prior to being here and was up-and-down while here. These players are what they are and guys like Johannes aren't going to do much based on their overall career arc going back to juniors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big A HG Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: Because we need to fill a need? Yes. What's the other option? Not have a good player playing there? Yes, Johannes is a good player. You're missing the point. No one is arguing that Johannes is a bad pickup under the circumstances. We're arguing that UND shouldn't be in these circumstances to need a Johannes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboys5xsbs Posted April 10, 2023 Share Posted April 10, 2023 Ok all the games are done tome to make some moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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