2023 Early Departures & Portal Transfers

[Blackheart]

13 minutes ago, Kevin G said:

 

 

But @Blackheart:

 

 

That’s what I’m afraid of…

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, Big A HG said:

 

Portal talent on top of elite recruiting led us to another Frozen Four this year, didn't it?  Shoot, totally forgot.  

 

I'm just wondering how big of a stick Berry will need to keep portal kids away with the influx of elite talent already wanting to play here.  Or do we use the stick to keep the elite talent away so we can have more Jandrics, Pykes, and Johannes'?  Decisions, decisions....

LOL you're ignoring what I asked. Jandric was our best overall defensemen last year, IMO. He was a portal get. Getting important players from that setting is incredibly important this year, and we've seemingly gotten some very good players.

AGAIN, this is NOT about the future. It's about filling current need. 

[stoneySIOUX]

2 hours ago, siouxfaninseattle said:

• This is not a good pick up, not a bad pick up, it's a desperation pick up.

Because we need to fill a need? Yes. What's the other option? Not have a good player playing there? Yes, Johannes is a good player.

[franchise]

1 hour ago, Big A HG said:

 

These arguments remind of being a Packer fan living in Wisconsin back in 2008 when the Favre>>Rodgers transition happened...

Yeah, but GB will never have another situation like that one!

[Big A HG]

1 minute ago, stoneySIOUX said:

LOL you're ignoring what I asked. Jandric was our best overall defensemen last year, IMO. He was a portal get. Getting important players from that setting is incredibly important this year, and we've seemingly gotten some very good players.

AGAIN, this is NOT about the future. It's about filling current need. 

 

AGAIN, I've said that we can't ignore the portal, multiple times now.  I may not have clarified that with my direct reply to your comment, but I've said it multiple times already so didn't feel the need to say it again.  We should have an abundant and rich recruiting pipeline and use the portal to flesh out a final piece or two when needed with additional high end talent that slipped through the cracks and ended up at smaller hockey programs.  It should not be relied upon to merely flesh out a roster if we want to compete at an elite level each year.  AGAIN, I'm not saying you can't bring in guys from the portal, but this is more than just bringing in a final piece to a loaded roster...this is key part of how Berry has needed to create a roster, which is what we shouldn't rely on.   You mention Jandric but fail to mention Farmer or Sidorski.  

 

Jandric has a history of multiple years of being a capable player and it shows.  Sidorski didn't do much before he got here and didn't do a lot while he was here.  Farmer was up and down prior to being here and was up-and-down while here.  These players are what they are and guys like Johannes aren't going to do much based on their overall career arc going back to juniors.

[Big A HG]

7 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Because we need to fill a need? Yes. What's the other option? Not have a good player playing there? Yes, Johannes is a good player.

 

You're missing the point.  No one is arguing that Johannes is a bad pickup under the circumstances.  We're arguing that UND shouldn't be in these circumstances to need a Johannes.  

[cowboys5xsbs]

Ok all the games are done tome to make some moves.  

[stoneySIOUX]

7 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

 

You're missing the point.  No one is arguing that Johannes is a bad pickup under the circumstances.  We're arguing that UND shouldn't be in these circumstances to need a Johannes.  

LOL that's fair to say in another thread.... This is about the portal, players coming in and leaving. That's my point! We're filling a need. Johannes was a good pick up.

[stoneySIOUX]

7 minutes ago, cowboys5xsbs said:

Ok all the games are done tome to make some moves.  

We literally made one today lol.

[90siouxfan]

Are we getting that Connor bedyard fella?  He seems good 'nuff.

[jdub27]

20 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

You're missing the point.  No one is arguing that Johannes is a bad pickup under the circumstances.  We're arguing that UND shouldn't be in these circumstances to need a Johannes.  

So your preference is UND should have a few guys being strung along each season, not knowing the plan on when they may or may not be coming in?
Because the three options with this particular situation are
1)Bring in a portal guy (or an older kid who somehow hasn't signed with anyone)
2)Bring in someone who isn't ready
3)Happen to have a guy who's actually ready but unknown if he was going to have a spot. And hope he's willing to play another year of juniors if you don't have that spot.

Not at all saying you don't need to have a pipeline, but you can only string so many guys along. And before someone goes off on a tangent, I'm specifically talking about someone replacing Caulfield. 
Yes UND should have a strong pipeline. Yes, they might have to bring some guys in early or delay others, but those situations can work out poorly because they really aren't ready or aren't willing to wait. I think we've seen both happen within the last year or two. 

[Big A HG]

2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So your preference is UND should have a few guys being strung along each season, not knowing the plan on when they may or may not be coming in?
Because the three options with this particular situation are
1)Bring in a portal guy (or an older kid who somehow hasn't signed with anyone)
2)Bring in someone who isn't ready
3)Happen to have a guy who's actually ready but unknown if he was going to have a spot. And hope he's willing to play another year of juniors if you don't have that spot.

Not at all saying you don't need to have a pipeline, but you can only string so many guys along. And before someone goes off on a tangent, I'm specifically talking about someone replacing Caulfield. 
Yes UND should have a strong pipeline. Yes, they might have to bring some guys in early or delay others, but those situations can work out poorly because they really aren't ready or aren't willing to wait. I think we've seen both happen within the last year or two. 

 

I'm not talking specifically about Caulfield's replacement, UND did what they had to do based on the situation...I'm tired of repeating myself here.

Generally speaking, it's already been working out poorly, it can hardly get any worse at this point (scary if it does!).  Justifying this type of roster management is shameful for a program of our stature.  I put our program on a pedestal and wish others did as well.  Berry needs to be a roster accountant as part of his recruiting.  You need to have a gauge for how long players are going to stay and how many you're going to need.  You can just throw s**t at a wall and hope something sticks.  It will never be exact, but most guys you should be able to get a general sense of how long they'll be at campus and our situation this year is horrendous for a program of our stature losing all six D-men at once, our top two goalies, half our forwards.  Now we'll have SO many freshmen that if they don't pan out, you have to keep many of them for four years. 

 

[Big A HG]

28 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

LOL that's fair to say in another thread.... This is about the portal, players coming in and leaving. That's my point! We're filling a need. Johannes was a good pick up.

 

You keep trying to argue with me about "your point" when I've never been discussing "your point".  I keep telling you that I the Johannes pickup is fine for what it is while ignoring that it's not my point.  We keep going around in circles like dogs chasing our tails.  Go back to my first post I made today post-Johannes pickup and it had nothing to do with your point at all, yet you feel compelled to keep quoting me.  I'm a big picture guy.  Johannes is like a tulip growing on a grim, apocalyptic landscape...you keep wanting me to approve of your tulip while I'm looking at massive issue at hand with why our program has fallen so low on the roster management side of things.

[petey23]

23 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

So your preference is UND should have a few guys being strung along each season, not knowing the plan on when they may or may not be coming in?
Because the three options with this particular situation are
1)Bring in a portal guy (or an older kid who somehow hasn't signed with anyone)
2)Bring in someone who isn't ready
3)Happen to have a guy who's actually ready but unknown if he was going to have a spot. And hope he's willing to play another year of juniors if you don't have that spot.

Not at all saying you don't need to have a pipeline, but you can only string so many guys along. And before someone goes off on a tangent, I'm specifically talking about someone replacing Caulfield. 
Yes UND should have a strong pipeline. Yes, they might have to bring some guys in early or delay others, but those situations can work out poorly because they really aren't ready or aren't willing to wait. I think we've seen both happen within the last year or two. 

Some Johnson kid who played D and should be coming to UND as a freshman in the fall rings a bell.

[thUNDer]

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[Irish]

1 hour ago, siouxfan512 said:

Open ended question (Not looking to be combative or argumentative):

I don't follow our hockey recruiting close enough, but are we just not offering enough guys or getting enough commitments in general? I know there were issues a few years back about Wisconsin offering endless guys and getting endless commitments and that they wouldn't be able to pull them all in.

From a numbers standpoint, are we offering as many as other schools? Are we getting a similar number of commitments as other schools? Are we getting the commitments, but just from guys that are not developing as hoped? Something definitely feels different, but I'm not sure what it is. I know there are conversations around the B10 taking over, but schools like Denver have been consistently pulling in high end talent. Western has had a pretty nice run. SCSU and Duluth have certainly had strong teams (Duluth obviously with a down year, but they have some nice players coming in).

I miss the days of connections to strong programs where we would get a string of recruits that already played together and had chemistry. Shattuck was great to this program for a while. Then Penticton provided a nice string of players too. 

Great questions - I think this is why this board is harping on this issue - no one knows what happened or how.  We just are seeing the results.  When I look at our program and its positives I am shocked that we are where we are - fishing for a portal goalie for the third year and having no returning defensemen.  All while our rivals are grabbing blue chippers right and left.  We need to turn this around soon but we fans don't really know what happened and have no idea what the coaches think or plan to do.  If the theory that some of this is related to playing style is true then we'd best buckle up for a bumpy flight.

[stoneySIOUX]

23 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

I'm a big picture guy.

This is a small picture discussion, in this thread. We're arguing semantics, at this point.

[siouxweet]

To Big A HG's point, the Caulfield situation never should have been a situation.   Have talent in the pipeline where you tell Judd at the end of the year best of luck at the next level.  We shouldn't be in a situation where we need to bring anyone back for a 5th year.  How many 5th years did MN and UM have this season.  

[stoneySIOUX]

8 minutes ago, siouxweet said:

To Big A HG's point, the Caulfield situation never should have been a situation.   Have talent in the pipeline where you tell Judd at the end of the year best of luck at the next level.  We shouldn't be in a situation where we need to bring anyone back for a 5th year.  How many 5th years did MN and UM have this season.  

LOL we understand the point. Most of us completely agree.

This is a discussion thread about the portal -- additions and subtractions. I'm just exhausted with conversation in EVERY thread devolving into everything all doom and gloom all the time. We picked up a good player today. That should be the discussion.

[Big A HG]

8 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

LOL we understand the point. Most of us completely agree.

This is a discussion thread about the portal -- additions and subtractions. I'm just exhausted with conversation in EVERY thread devolving into everything all doom and gloom all the time. We picked up a good player today. That should be the discussion.

 

A superhero movie without a bad guy would get boring pretty fast. 

[stoneySIOUX]

7 minutes ago, Big A HG said:

 

A superhero movie without a bad guy would get boring pretty fast. 

HA! Touche. But in EVERY scene? Just to clarify... you're not the bad guy... 

[Big A HG]

Just now, stoneySIOUX said:

HA! Touche. But in EVERY scene? Just to clarify... you're not the bad guy... 

Just the relevant ones!    And you're right, that Brad Guy is the Bad Guy. 

[stoneySIOUX]

1 minute ago, Big A HG said:

Just the relevant ones!    And you're right, that Brad Guy is the Bad Guy. 

Lol cheers, Big.

[Big A HG]

Just now, stoneySIOUX said:

Lol cheers, Big.

 

Ditto!  Would be more fun with a few beers bellied up to the bar, but the forum will have to do for now. 

[siouxfaninseattle]

1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Because we need to fill a need? Yes. What's the other option? Not have a good player playing there? Yes, Johannes is a good player.

What makes him a good player? 9 points in 44 games in the USHL, 32 points in 55 games in the NAHL,9 points in 29 games at AIC and then a good season 29 points in 28 games at Lindenwood (with 87 PIM). He does fill a need but the numbers don't scream good player.