2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[yzerman19]

6 minutes ago, NDinCO said:

Jesus H Christ can we please close this thread? I try not to come back here but it's like driving by a massive car wreck - can't help but peek. Many people think this is baloney, many people think it's an existential threat. You think anything a bunch of puck heads says on this site will have any substantial impact on events, or bring back the Frozen Four? Can we all just agree this is an incredible sad event for Sioux Hockey and especially the players, and most notable the seniors. This is a HOCKEY site may I remind you. But have at it...

We’re all bored...and some of us are puck heads and healthcare heads too

[yzerman19]

8 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Bump

 

I would like someone to address this. This IMO is the elephant in the room. What happens to these people? Their families? We seem to be strictly focused of keeping grandma's with CHF or emphysema or diabetes with secondary renal failure alive in this thread.

Where are we as a functioning society if this social distancing lockdown is still effect as we approach Memorial Day? People are still going to get infected. Some will die. Who picks up the pieces of lives shattered and destroyed by the inability to make a living. People and kids with futures ahead of them.....not just another birthday or two.

Hoping it’s half that time, but your point remains.  Wish I could say most people can ride that out, but I know most cant.  Might be a hard lesson for many about driving new trucks and having a 60 inch TV and the latest iPhone.

[yzerman19]

Consumerism and credit was bound to hammer us at some point.  

[wasmania]

8 hours ago, Cratter said:

Italy has a much smaller much older population than the United States. 

Since this is less fatal than the flu for most people who get it, the USA wont have to worry about Italy comparisons. 

so easily google - able - according to Pew Social Trends, as of 2015 Italy had 20% over 65 vs. 13% in the U.S.  Along with Germany, Italy has the highest percentage of older people than Europe or North America.   Why would you choose to tell a blatant falsehood?  Just lazy, or...

[yzerman19]

1 minute ago, wasmania said:

so easily google - able - according to Pew Social Trends, as of 2015 Italy had 20% over 65 vs. 13% in the U.S.  Along with Germany, Italy has the highest percentage of older people than Europe or North America.   Why would you choose to tell a blatant falsehood?  Just lazy, or...

I think he missed a comma.  Italy has a much smaller, older population.  

[wasmania]

21 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

I think he missed a comma.  Italy has a much smaller, older population.  

 shorter, or less fat?  

[yzerman19]

36 minutes ago, wasmania said:

 shorter, or less fat?  

Ha!  Both! LOL

[UNDlaw80]

2 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

Thanks.  That’s all I have heard as well, is regarding the test kits.  Seems to be a lot of criticism of the handling of the entire situation if test kits is the only problem.  

 Again, I wish someone would put out their numbers for infections and deaths if we would’ve had test kits earlier.    And then subtract from that number the estimated lives saved by halting travel from China at a time when the WHO admonished the administration for making that decision 

To be fair, the ability to properly administer tests is the foundation of a proper response.  Everything is built upon it.  So is proper communication.  Without both we’re navigating blind.....which is, frankly, our biggest problem now.  We've been forced to play catch-up because of this administration's incompetent initial response.  So, it that sense, criticism is certainly warranted.     

Again, this isn't a political rant; Trump has done a very good job since the initial failure.    

[UNDlaw80]

2 hours ago, yzerman19 said:

Hoping it’s half that time, but your point remains.  Wish I could say most people can ride that out, but I know most cant.  Might be a hard lesson for many about driving new trucks and having a 60 inch TV and the latest iPhone.

 

[Ranger]

32 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

To be fair, the ability to properly administer tests is the foundation of a proper response.  Everything is built upon it.  So is proper communication.  Without both we’re navigating blind.....which is, frankly, our biggest problem now.  We've been forced to play catch-up because of this administration's incompetent initial response.  So, it that sense, criticism is certainly warranted.     

Again, this isn't a political rant; Trump has done a very good job since the initial failure.    

Beautiful test kits...

[LeftyZL]

4 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

So what happened? Covid spread for several weeks, without most people knowing anything, nor did the administration care to do anything about it.  "We have it totally under control.  It's just one person coming from China.  It's going to be just fine." - Trump, Jan 22, 2020

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

[Ranger]

4 minutes ago, LeftyZL said:

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

Wow

[Hammersmith]

4 hours ago, .357 said:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/30000-u-s-soldiers-sent-into-europe-without-masks/5706084/amp 

"However, one category of U.S. citizens is exempted from these rules: the 20,000 soldiers beginning to arrive from the United States in European ports and airports for the Defender Europe 20 exercise, the largest U.S. troop deployment in Europe in the last 25 years. Including those already present, about 30,000 U.S. troops will participate in April and May, flanked by 7,000 troops from 17 NATO member and partner countries, including Italy."

 

That article is from three days ago, with no mention in my feeds of reducing these numbers or sending them back, unless you can show otherwise. The number of personnel participating is more like 37,000, actually. 

The following were some of many articles about the reduction that I found with a 30sec Google search, and it was from 4 days ago. And I went to the website you got your source from. Holy !@#$. If that's what you consider a credible news source, I don't know what to tell you other than lay off the crack pipe.

 

Here's an article talking about the reduction and cancellation of parts of Defender-20 from 4 days ago:

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/487138-us-military-cuts-back-troops-to-participate-in-european-exercise-over-virus

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The U.S. military will reduce the number of troops expected to participate in a multinational exercise in Europe for the “health protection” of forces, U.S. European Command announced Wednesday, citing concerns about the coronavirus.

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The news comes the same day the Defense Department announced it would pull U.S. forces from a multinational Arctic exercise in Norway that also has been curtailed due to concerns over coronavirus, which causes the disease known as COVID-19.

That exercise, which began earlier this month but ended a week early, involved more than 15,000 service members from 10 countries.

In addition, several exercises based in South Korea have been canceled, as have two joint drills with Israel, and the multinational Operation African Lion has been pared down.

 

Or this article from 2 days ago:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/03/12/troops-europe-face-limbo-following-canceled-exercise-travel-ban.html

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On Wednesday, U.S. European Command announced that the number of U.S. troops participating in DEFENDER-Europe 20 was being cut back, although several U.S. units have already arrived and moved into position in NATO alliance states.

DEFENDER-Europe 20 was set to be the biggest deployment for an exercise in 25 years, with 20,000 soldiers deploying from the U.S. and training with 17,000 allies.

"In light of the current coronavirus outbreak, we will modify the exercise by reducing the number of U.S. participants," the EUCOM statement said. "Activities associated with the exercise will be adjusted accordingly, and we'll work closely with allies and partners to meet our highest priority training objectives."

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"This is just the beginning of widespread curtailment of military exercises overseas," he said. "[Europe] is not more dangerous than the United States. It would be different if the United States was unaffected [by the virus] and [troops] were going to a place that was severely affected, but that's not the case."

But as the virus continues spreading, he said the U.S. will most likely have to "eliminate virtually all future military exercises overseas" and quarantine the troops and equipment deployed to participate in exercises like DEFENDER-Europe 20.

The announcement followed on EUCOM's cancellation of two other joint training exercises within a week that were already underway -- one in Norway and a second in Israel.

A statement Wednesday from EUCOM headquarters in Stuttgart, Germany, said that Norwegian authorities had called off the remainder of Exercise Cold Response.

 

We'll see if any part of Defender-20 will still be a go by Monday night. I'm betting it will be reduced to pretty much just a cargo transport exercise by that point. But maybe it was too far gone to stop, and they will quarantine in place either in Europe or back on American bases.

[UNDlaw80]

7 hours ago, LeftyZL said:

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

This isn't brain surgery.  No one cared about covid-19 a week ago because this country wasn't experiencing the effects of it yet, nor was the government doing what it was supposed to do in such a situation.  Also, by and large, we're an insular thinking country that doesn't care about the world outside our own borders.  We didn't bother to see it coming.  However things change fast when people start dying.     

AND the difference between covid-19 and the flu is that we know what to expect from the flu.  The flu is predictable, we have antidotes and our bodies have built up somewhat of an immunity to it (at least for some of the strains that don't mutate).  In comparison, we know virtually nothing about covid-19.   

Sure people are overreacting, it's ridiculous.  However that doesn't mean covid-19 isn't a potentially serious problem going forward.  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  

 

I swear, "it's the media" has become the reactionary response to anything that doesn't fit into some people's preconceived worldviews.  It's like clockwork. 

[yzerman19]

26 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

This isn't brain surgery.  No one cared about covid-19 a week ago because this country wasn't experiencing the effects of it yet, nor was the government doing what it was supposed to do in such a situation.  Also, by and large, we're an insular thinking country that doesn't care about the world outside our own borders.  We didn't bother to see it coming.  However things change fast when people start dying.     

AND the difference between covid-19 and the flu is that we know what to expect from the flu.  The flu is predictable, we have antidotes and our bodies have built up somewhat of an immunity to it (at least for some of the strains that don't mutate).  In comparison, we know virtually nothing about covid-19.   

Sure people are overreacting, it's ridiculous.  However that doesn't mean covid-19 isn't a potentially serious problem going forward.  The two aren't mutually exclusive.  

 

I swear, "it's the media" has become the reactionary response to anything that doesn't fit into some of your preconceived worldviews.  It's like clockwork. 

  

 

 

There you go being all level- headed and reasonable.  Don’t you know this is the internet?

[.357]

1 hour ago, LeftyZL said:

The bolded part is what some of us are saying: No one knew or cared about this virus until a week ago and we were all OK going about our lives.

But, Because the media IMO is blowing this thing out of the water, look where we are now. It’s ridiculous in public because of a false panic/hysteria. Everyone is still out shopping, restaurants are busy, etc.

How big of a deal was the flu this season?Really big relative to this from what I can tell and I don’t really remember hearing anyone blow up the news about the number of people that died from the flu so far. How many people have gone to work with a cold/flu in the past 2-3 months? Lots. And no one missed a beat because it’s flu season.

Thank you. One week everything is hunky dory & we're anticipating a good series with CC; the next I can't even buy any asswipe at my local Walmart. Had no problems getting water tonight, but no Charmin at any stores I was at. Not sure people have their priorities in order, unless they plan on their tp keeping them hydrated.

Hammersmith: try to tone it down with the crack pipe reference, ok? That was years ago.  Seriously, I don't think you or anybody is the final arbiter on what is credible or not; being "official" or on a certain channel doesn't necessarily qualify it as truthful. Information is coming from many sources right now. 

The point is that quite a few service members will still be involved, because I saw "curtailed" & "reduction" being used, but not a full-stop. And will these exercises have any interactions with the local populations? Because it sounds like there will be during their rest periods. I guess as outsiders we won't know the logistics & actual deployments involved until they happen; but to have any exercises at all at this stage in the game without full knowledge of the possible consequences is immoral, & criminal, if it in any way contributes to its spread. If they can cancel games at halftime, they sure as hell can cancel this exercise until more is known. Not that I believe any of this, just offering a counter-point.

 

 

[farce poobah]

I'd like to offer a thank you to my colleagues here on Sioux Sports, directed especially to those in the health care professions.   I'm happy to hear what each of you have to say, and I value your perspectives.  I can only imagine the stresses you're about to be hit with (and if you want to vent a bit here, that's fine by me!)  but for now, please accept my sincere thank you for all the work you do.  

And if I end up in your hands in a care facility, you can know there's nobody I'd rather go into battle with.  

 

"As long as we are among humans, let us be humane."   -- Seneca the Younger    (2000 years ago, but still good words to live by.)

[Cratter]

Curfews are now being issued in New Jersey.

Guess they didn't like people going to bars at night.

If young people are such carriers why is any school open?

I guess we are officially at the point where nothing is too dramatic right now to stop people from spreading the illness.

Some believe this is the beginning and curfews will be nationwide.

Any travel will be highly limited.

This is the new snowball starting to roll down the hill....

 

[UNDlaw80]

9 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Curfews are now being issued in New Jersey.

Guess they didn't like people going to bars at night.

If young people are such carriers why is any school open?

 

I'd guess administrators or whoever are forced to decide between limiting potential infection and parents needing to make a living (they will need to take off work to watch kids if school is closed).    It's sort of a lose/lose situation.    

[UNDlaw80]

Sweet Jesus this makes my blood boil.  

Covid-19 is deemed serious enough to declare a national emergency; serious enough for numerous lawmakers to self-quarantine  (Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz being the latest), yet this was the scene today at DFW for the average Joe:

 

 

Yes Donald, your "greatest and most prepared response to covid-19" looks like a human petri dish.  How is this allowed to occur, like seriously.           

[Cratter]

13 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

I'd guess administrators or whoever are forced to decide between limiting potential infection and parents needing to make a living (they will need to take off work to watch kids if school is closed).    It's sort of a lose/lose situation.   

So we don't have to shut everything down if it adversely affects people? 

They can just shut down high schools then.

High School kids can take care of themselves and those are the biggest gathering places in the state school wise.

[Cratter]

4 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Sweet Jesus this makes my blood boil.  

Covid-19 is deemed serious enough to declare a national emergency; serious enough for numerous lawmakers to self-quarantine  (Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz being the latest), yet this was the scene today at DFW for the average Joe:

 

 

Yes Donald, your "greatest and most prepared response to covid-19" looks like a human petri dish.  How is this allowed to occur, like seriously.           

Sorry the President can't do everything for evergone.

That looks like some high school cafeterias.

[Cratter]

1) "Its okay to gather if it would otherwise adversely affect people."

2) "I cannot believe Trump is letting people gather in such a time of crisis!"

[UNDlaw80]

14 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Sorry the President can't do everything for evergone.

That looks like some high school cafeterias.

 

This isn't some high school cafeteria.  DFW is one of the largest international airports on the planet - it is literally contamination ground zero and one of the first places the government should keep under control if the goal is to limit the spread of anything into this country. 

That this is allowed to occur is simply astounding.  

  

[Cratter]

18 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

This isn't some high school cafeteria.  DFW is one of the largest international airports on the planet - it is literally contamination ground zero and one of the first places that should be taken care of if the goal is to limit the spread of anything into this country. 

That this is allowed to occur is simply astounding.  

You think the President should shut down airports.

What about Subways? Malls? Marathons? Parades? Churches? Concerts? Casinos? The entire strip in Vegas?

If the media is going to show any picture of groups of people gathering and claiming "outlandish".

We are in for a long Coronavirus season.