SWSiouxMN Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 46 minutes ago, jdub27 said: And the backlash about "shoving it down people's throat" is embarrassing. Just doing what 99.9% of other universities are doing. Some people I tell ya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, UNDColorado said: I have to say the logo is growing on me. I own more Fighting Sioux gear than I know what to do with but that is a part of UND history I will always cherish and it will be displayed with pride. However, I do not miss the controversy that was created through the media anytime UND was mentioned. The Sioux Forever chants are getting old as well. I think what sort of eventually turned me was the black hats Bubba and the football staff wear with the small hawk logo off centered. I think they look sharp. Don't forget the constant protests and letters by BRIDGES, Indian tribes, and others, anytime someone dressed like an Indian, or had some stupid t-shirt, or did the tomahawk chop. All that is wiped out with the new name and logo. Its sad that the Sioux name/logo ended like it did but that part of UND history is closed and the Fighting Hawk part of UND history is just beginning. I remember the Potato Bowl someone yelled "Let's go Sioux" it lasted 5 seconds and was never heard from again. It seems like the REA is the last place where they want to keep the Sioux name alive, and the most vocal anti-Hawk fanbase we have. Maybe year after year it will change but the REA will have to majorly step up in accepting the Hawk name. Starting with the ice, jerseys, merchandise, PA. Instead of "Here's your UND scoring", try Here's your University of North Dakota Fighting Hawks Scoring". Who cares if the crowd boos when its announced. Say it over, and over and over. They will sound more and more stupid by booing. 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Funny thing is, the most successful team under the "Fighting Hawks" name is ... 2016 Men's Ice Hockey National Champions. Yes, the name was in place at that time. It was used by ESPN during the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 To me, the casual observer, I'd note that now that all the tense energy surrounding the old nickname (waiting for the next court order, or the next flair-up, or the next "incident") is gone, what's happened? 2016 Men's National Ice Hockey Champions 2017 Big Sky Volleyball Champions 2017 Big Sky Football Champions 2017 Big Sky Women's Basketball Champions 2017 Big Sky Men's Basketball Champions And a first ever Men's Basketball appearance in the NCAA Tournament. Oh, and now a 15th straight NCAA men's ice hockey tournament appearance. (The name didn't change that. See above.) A casually observing cynic might claim that now that the situation is resolved that energy and focus has been redirected to far better things for UND and UND Athletics. You may not completely like the resolution, but you can't argue with the results since "Fighting Hawks". 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 One more thought: A much as some of you may not like or agree with the "Fighting Hawks" name, logo, or resolution, there are some that like it even far less. Those are the folks that don't like to see UND back winning. 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 I hated it when it was picked. I was as big of Roughrider guy as there was out there. I like it now. I cheered let's go hawks in Salt Lake City this past weekend. I have a couple shirts now, and I think the logo looks sharp on them. I legitimately think the Ralph's atmosphere will be "great again" when there's more acceptance of the nickname. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: To me, the casual observer, I'd note that now that all the tense energy surrounding the old nickname (waiting for the next court order, or the next flair-up, or the next "incident") is gone, what's happened? 2016 Men's National Ice Hockey Champions 2017 Big Sky Volleyball Champions 2017 Big Sky Football Champions 2017 Big Sky Women's Basketball Champions 2017 Big Sky Men's Basketball Champions And a first ever Men's Basketball appearance in the NCAA Tournament. Oh, and now a 15th straight NCAA men's ice hockey tournament appearance. (The name didn't change that. See above.) A casually observing cynic might claim that now that the situation is resolved that energy and focus has been redirected to far better things for UND and UND Athletics. You may not completely like the resolution, but you can't argue with the results since "Fighting Hawks". Nope, it was a complete, 100% coincidence. All of those things were happening no matter what. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said: A casually observing cynic might claim that now that the situation is resolved that energy and focus has been redirected to far better things for UND and UND Athletics. If only people would have had the foresight to suggest UND could greatly improve their academic and athletic success if they could focus on "UND" instead of the anchor that was around its neck. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ericpnelson said: I hated it when it was picked. I was as big of Roughrider guy as there was out there. I like it now. I cheered let's go hawks in Salt Lake City this past weekend. I have a couple shirts now, and I think the logo looks sharp on them. I legitimately think the Ralph's atmosphere will be "great again" when there's more acceptance of the nickname. Who said it's not great now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ericpnelson Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 24 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: Who said it's not great now? I do. I think the atmosphere is a shell of its former self. It turns into a church for minutes at a time. Edit for clarification: I don't think it's nearly most or half or majority reason. People being disengaged is the problem for me, but ever since the nickname went away stuff, you don't get the intimidating, entire stadium in unison cheers that I remember. Some people don't or only half-heartedly join in on "Let's Go Sioux"; a lot of people won't dare to cheer for the H word in that building for ridicule.... I just think that part sucks. One of my favorite Ralph memories was a pretty low key moment in the scheme of things. Kinda of a horsecrap call against our favorite team, Duluth douche like 7 seats away from me stands up taunting the call and the fans... an angry flavored Let's Go Sioux chant fires up, and Duluth douche starts doing an "oh, I'm so scared" kinda bit... They entire arena gets behind it, and Duluth douche is still talking, but I can't hear him 7 seats away because the cheer is so thundering. I remember looking at the ice and see Duluth players looking up like, "what the hell is this?" I just don't think we get that anymore with a mixed identity. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taz Boy Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: To me, the casual observer, I'd note that now that all the tense energy surrounding the old nickname (waiting for the next court order, or the next flair-up, or the next "incident") is gone, what's happened? 2016 Men's National Ice Hockey Champions 2017 Big Sky Volleyball Champions 2017 Big Sky Football Champions 2017 Big Sky Women's Basketball Champions 2017 Big Sky Men's Basketball Champions And a first ever Men's Basketball appearance in the NCAA Tournament. Oh, and now a 15th straight NCAA men's ice hockey tournament appearance. (The name didn't change that. See above.) A casually observing cynic might claim that now that the situation is resolved that energy and focus has been redirected to far better things for UND and UND Athletics. You may not completely like the resolution, but you can't argue with the results since "Fighting Hawks". Ahm, yeeeeaaah... that's quite a stretch. But, no question it's been a strong past 12 months. So, if heaven forbid we suffer another drought the next few years, will you attribute that to the lingering effects of the Sioux Forever fanbase? Energy somehow redirected again? This cause-effect relationship does not hold under any reasonable scrutiny or historical fact. We've been winning at each level for quite some time. I'm inclined to give Student Athletes more credit. Rather than wringing their hands worrying about nickname stuff, they are training, hard, and looking to the best college programs to further their athletic careers, as well as academics. They don't come to UND just because they get to wear a peace dove on their jersey or helmet, but they come to compete at a high level. Sioux or Hawk, they come to have success and win, period. taz 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 18 minutes ago, ericpnelson said: I do. I think the atmosphere is a shell of its former self. It turns into a church for minutes at a time. It may have tamed down from the Fighting Sioux years a bit but to say it's because of a new logo? That's reaching IMO Cracking down on punishments for students for using profane language/drinking etc. The increased dependency on technology(ie smartphones) for incoming freshman classes every year. Look, I understand the desire to transition to the Hawks nickname logo but making things up like "The Ralph will be great again" if we all buy new hawk gear and do screech cheers isn't helping the cause. It's similar to people saying we won a national championship last year because we dropped the Sioux name... no we won because we had an incredible team. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MafiaMan Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: To me, the casual observer, I'd note that now that all the tense energy surrounding the old nickname (waiting for the next court order, or the next flair-up, or the next "incident") is gone, what's happened? 2016 Men's National Ice Hockey Champions 2017 Big Sky Volleyball Champions 2017 Big Sky Football Champions 2017 Big Sky Women's Basketball Champions 2017 Big Sky Men's Basketball Champions And a first ever Men's Basketball appearance in the NCAA Tournament. Oh, and now a 15th straight NCAA men's ice hockey tournament appearance. (The name didn't change that. See above.) A casually observing cynic might claim that now that the situation is resolved that energy and focus has been redirected to far better things for UND and UND Athletics. Scholarship Athlete X: You know, now that we've resolved this nickname issue, I'm going to stop half-a**ing it out there and give 100% in 2016-2017! Yea, that's not how it happened... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Think of all the success UND would have had so far this year if Roughriders would have been chosen............................................................... a FCS FB NC, a VB NC, Sweet 16 appearance this weekend for MBB and men's hockey would be a given to repeat. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, InHeavenThereIsNoBeer said: It may have tamed down from the Fighting Sioux years a bit but to say it's because of a new logo? That's reaching IMO Cracking down on punishments for students for using profane language/drinking etc. The increased dependency on technology(ie smartphones) for incoming freshman classes every year. Look, I understand the desire to transition to the Hawks nickname logo but making things up like "The Ralph will be great again" if we all buy new hawk gear and do screech cheers isn't helping the cause. It's similar to people saying we won a national championship last year because we dropped the Sioux name... no we won because we had an incredible team. You beat my edit. I just added to my post because it read like I was suggesting that was the cure-all and I didn't mean it that way. My bad on that. You're 100% correct on smartphones, etc... I think either allowing liquor in seats or closing the bars would be huge too. Interesting to pay that much for a ticket and hang out in the bar all game where you can't see the ice... Maybe I have a different perspective since I drive 5 hours for games though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said: Think of all the success UND would have had so far this year if Roughriders would have been chosen............................................................... Or sUNDogs! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: Think of all the success UND would have had so far this year if Roughriders would have been chosen............................................................... Arizona State would've been hopeless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 minute ago, ericpnelson said: You beat my edit. I just added to my post because it read like I was suggesting that was the cure-all and I didn't mean it that way. My bad on that. You're 100% correct on smartphones, etc... I think either allowing liquor in seats or closing the bars would be huge too. Interesting to pay that much for a ticket and hang out in the bar all game where you can't see the ice... Maybe I have a different perspective since I drive 5 hours for games though. A lot of people aren't there to see the ice/game, they're there to be seen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InHeavenThereIsNoBeer Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 2 minutes ago, ericpnelson said: You beat my edit. I just added to my post because it read like I was suggesting that was the cure-all and I didn't mean it that way. My bad on that. You're 100% correct on smartphones, etc... I think either allowing liquor in seats or closing the bars would be huge too. Interesting to pay that much for a ticket and hang out in the bar all game where you can't see the ice... Maybe I have a different perspective since I drive 5 hours for games though. Ugh... hate those! There's a person I know who always sends snapchats up in the organ bar with like 5 minutes left in a tie hockey game where all you can see is the scoreboard. Why even go to the game at all at that point?! People I meet at the games know that if we're in a conversation and my eyes are repeatedly looking at the scoreboard time during intermission that I'm just going to walk away because I'm not missing a second of the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Arizona State would've been hopeless. Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 Any chance UND can put the new logo on the jerseys for tomorrow? That would in and of itself guarantee a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taz Boy Posted March 23, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2017 3 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: Funny thing is, the most successful team under the "Fighting Hawks" name is ... 2016 Men's Ice Hockey National Champions. Yes, the name was in place at that time. It was used by ESPN during the game. Good point, here they are celebrating that success... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, Taz Boy said: Good point, here they are celebrating that success... Would expect nothing less. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, ericpnelson said: You beat my edit. I just added to my post because it read like I was suggesting that was the cure-all and I didn't mean it that way. My bad on that. You're 100% correct on smartphones, etc... I think either allowing liquor in seats or closing the bars would be huge too. Interesting to pay that much for a ticket and hang out in the bar all game where you can't see the ice...Maybe I have a different perspective since I drive 5 hours for games though. Saw the same thing at TC on Friday night. Walked out between periods and saw about 20-30 young fans hanging out in the concourse pounding down their beers. Went back to my seat but had to walk out at the 10:00 mark of the period to use the restroom...same bunch of "fans" still there. Came out again after another period ending and they were STILL there. Now, keep in mind, there are no TVs and you have no view from the concrete area ouside the arena. I couldn't believe it. Pay $25-$75 per ticket just to hang out in a cold concrete room and booze it up. Hope you guys had fun! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted March 23, 2017 Share Posted March 23, 2017 16 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Arizona State would've been hopeless. 11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Right Arizona STATE? Am I missing an inside joke here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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