NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 45 minutes ago, cowboys5xsbs said: Surprising that they cut Men's Baseball after they got the biggest win in program history, Yeah, Trev Alberts would have at least waited until they won the national championship. Quote UNO’s wrestling team won its third consecutive national championship on March 12. Hours later, Alberts told Denney by phone that the program was targeted for elimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Anyone thinking women's hockey gets cut does not know the realities of Title IX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 17 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said: Anyone thinking women's hockey gets cut does know the realities of Title IX. How many men's sports would get cut if we did cut women's hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, darell1976 said: How many men's sports would get cut if we did cut women's hockey. Men's basketball and men's swimming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 hour ago, nodak651 said: True, but usc isn't actually that good this year, despite their preseason ranking. And UND is 6-17 on the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 UND needs to have football, basketball, cross country, tennis, indoor track and outdoor track to be a member of the Big Sky. After cutting baseball and golf, the only other men's sports are swimming and diving and hockey. As someone else noted, there are very few scholarships given to men's S&D. So the only sport left that would be a similar number of scholarships to women's hockey would be men's hockey. I doubt that they are going to cut men's hockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said: I doubt that they are going to cut men's hockey. So crazy it just might work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 hours ago, gfhockey said: Two sports are being cut I'm told was told not sure but bye swimming and diving men's and women's 2 hours ago, siouxkid12 said: chalk up another wrong answer.... Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Technically, he was right. It was men's and women's S&D, but the %gobc sent out an emergency text to the Prez two minutes before his e-mail was sent out and BAM! Baseball and golf instead! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 16 minutes ago, 82SiouxGuy said: UND needs to have football, basketball, cross country, tennis, indoor track and outdoor track to be a member of the Big Sky. After cutting baseball and golf, the only other men's sports are swimming and diving and hockey. As someone else noted, there are very few scholarships given to men's S&D. So the only sport left that would be a similar number of scholarships to women's hockey would be men's hockey. I doubt that they are going to cut men's hockey. The need to fully match the women's hockey cut with cuts on the men's side assumes things are even now. After today, I don't believe they're even. Also UND's student population is majority male, so the sports don't have to be evenly funded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 I wonder if they looked at ways to cut down travel expenses, playing 30 road games to start the season every year will eat into your budget. Of course the SL would help with travel but !@#!$! I mean Douple didn't want us or UNC to join. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDvince97-01 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 48 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said: Anyone thinking women's hockey gets cut does know the realities of Title IX. I do know the realities of Title IX. I also know that it was more than doable if we chose to do it. Are you saying that it wasn't an option because of Title IX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: The need to fully match the women's hockey cut with cuts on the men's side assumes things are even now. After today, I don't believe they're even. Also UND's student population is majority male, so the sports don't have to be evenly funded. I believe that women's hockey is fully funded, which means 18 scholarships. They didn't eliminate close to that number by cutting baseball and golf, and cutting the few scholarships given in men's S&D wouldn't get to that number. Women's hockey is not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 1 minute ago, 82SiouxGuy said: I believe that women's hockey is fully funded, which means 18 scholarships. They didn't eliminate close to that number by cutting baseball and golf, and cutting the few scholarships given in men's S&D wouldn't get to that number. Women's hockey is not going anywhere. Are women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, T&F, S&D, golf, and tennis all fully funded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 33 minutes ago, UNDvince97-01 said: I do know the realities of Title IX. I also know that it was more than doable if we chose to do it. Are you saying that it wasn't an option because of Title IX? Title IX also includes facilities access. Having only men's hockey is a huge red flag for Title IX. Also, Title IX is why Idalski gets paid so well relative to men's basketball and Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 5 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Are women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, T&F, S&D, golf, and tennis all fully funded? Basketball and volleyball are. Soccer and softball have made big strides toward it. Tennis is not fully funded, but that means scholarships go to foreign athletes like other Big Sky teams, which can be exclusively foreign. Women's golf had more scholarships than men. T &F and S&D should be approaching full funding now. Don't know the latest numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux>Bison Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 If we need to cut a lot of money we might as well have slashed men's and women's swimming at the same time. I'm not a huge fan of college sports that don't have many fans attend their events. I think it is a huge burden on the student fees and the tax payer to fund these unpopular programs. These are reasons why college debt is so high. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 2 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said: Basketball and volleyball are. Soccer and softball have made big strides toward it. Tennis is not fully funded, but that means scholarships go to foreign athletes like other Big Sky teams, which can be exclusively foreign. Women's golf had more scholarships than men. T &F and S&D should be approaching full funding now. Don't know the latest numbers. So the women's hockey scholarships don't all have to be cut. They can be reallocated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 12 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said: Title IX also includes facilities access. Having only men's hockey is a huge red flag for Title IX. Also, Title IX is why Idalski gets paid so well relative to men's basketball and Jones. Where are the Michigan, Michigan St, Miami, and Denver women's hockey teams? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10154062179217356&id=16576552355&fs=5 The world could do with fewer people like this Jen Rice lady. You can tell she's enjoying the cutting of men's athletics. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 To sum it up, the only reason Women's Hockey exists is because of Title IX. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 11 minutes ago, UND1983 said: To sum it up, the only reason Women's Hockey exists is because of Title IX. Yes. Bad deal. Women's hockey should not exist at UND. Need more for other sports that actually attract large crowds (over 2500 spectators). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouan Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Cutting all sports would solve the problem of subsidies plus solve the need to replace the Fighting Sioux logo... it would eliminate the NCAA as a factor .... I'm sure Rob Port would be very happy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 As unfortunate as it is, I'm glad the athletic department made an official announcement at a press conference and explained the reasoning not to mention doing it ahead when other budget cuts will be announced. Will be interesting to see what the other state school will do to address their required cuts, especially after their first solution of raising student fees failed and they have no extra sports to cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 9 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Are women's basketball, volleyball, soccer, softball, T&F, S&D, golf, and tennis all fully funded? I'm sure that not all of those are fully funded. Women's basketball has a max of 15, volleyball a max of 12, softball a max of 12, track and cross country a max of 18, S&D a max of 8.1, golf a max of 6, tennis a max of 8, soccer a max of 14, and hockey 18. That comes to a total of 111.1. The actual number of scholarships given out is probably under 100. Men's scholarships include 13 for basketball, 63 for football, 12.6 for track, etc., 9.9 for S&D, 4.5 for tennis, and 18 for hockey. Total scholarships if fully funded equal 108. I don't believe that UND fully funds track, S&D or tennis, so this number is probably also under 100. For reference, baseball has a max of 11.7 scholarships and golf a max of 4.5, so UND cut a potential of 16.2 scholarships. They weren't both fully funded so the actual number is less than that. But scholarships are only 1 small part of the Title IX factor. Another related item is actual numbers on the roster. Part of the test involves opportunities. Football has 63 scholarships, but rosters often have more than 100 during the season. Baseball allows 11.7 scholarships, but allows up to 35 on the roster. Total roster spots available and used is considered when looking at Title IX. As SiouxVolley mentions, things like facilities, coaches and team related opportunities are a factor. Interests of the student body.are a factor. History of adding sports or opportunities (mainly for the underserved gender) are a factor. There are many more. Cutting women's hockey would be very hard for several reasons. Scholarships is the obvious one since women's sports already have lower numbers than men. Fewer opportunities would be a negative factor. Facilities, especially women losing access to a facility like REA, would be a red flag. Cutting sports for an underserved gender would be a huge red flag.There is very little chance of cutting women's hockey unless much bigger financial problems come up, and cutting more men's sports would be included if that happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82SiouxGuy Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 For those blaming women's hockey on Title IX, most people would tell you that there may not be any women's sports in college without Title IX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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