College Hockey Vs FCS Football

[sioux rube]

doesn't Canada have colleges

No they are Universities.

[Siouxperman8]

doesn't Canada have colleges

Which is why I said  -  Most of Canada doesn't give a rip about US college hockey either which is saying something since they are the biggest hockey fans in the world.

 

[scpa0305]

There are 1,066 members of the NCAA.  933 of them don't care enough about hockey to even offer it as a varsity sport at any level. 

I love it that my favorite school is the biggest fish in a small pond, but again let's be realistic. 

I would rather be a very large fish in a quickly growing pond than a minnow in the ocean.

[nodak651]

Which is why I said  -  Most of Canada doesn't give a rip about US college hockey either which is saying something since they are the biggest hockey fans in the world.

 

TSN NCAA hockey schedule.  I think they are airing more hockey games than FCS football.  Just a guess though.

TSN 2015-16 NCAA Hockey Schedule

 

Day        Date      Game    Time (ET)             Ch.

Thu.       Nov. 12 Northeastern at Notre Dame     7:30 p.m.             TSN2

Fri.          Nov. 13 Boston University at Providence               6 p.m.   TSN2

Fri.          Nov. 20 Michigan at Boston University    6 p.m.   TSN2

Fri.          Nov. 20 Denver at Wisconsin       8:30 p.m.             TSN2

Fri.          Nov. 27 Brown vs. Colgate (Belfast)         11 a.m. TSN1

Fri.          Nov. 27 Northeastern vs. UMass Lowell (Belfast)              2:30 p.m.             TSN1

Fri.          Dec. 11 Niagara at RIT    TD: 11 p.m.         TSN2

Sat.        Dec. 12 Boston University at Quinnipiac 7 p.m.   TSN3

Sat.        Dec. 12 Minnesota at Michigan  8:30 p.m.*           TSN3

Sat.        Dec. 19 Michigan State at Northeastern 6:30 p.m.             TSN3

Sat.        Jan. 2     Notre Dame at Denver  9 p.m.   TSN3

Fri.          Jan. 8     Michigan at Michigan State          6:30 p.m.             TSN2

Fri.          Jan. 8     Alaska at Alabama-Huntsville      8 p.m.* TSN2

Fri.          Jan. 15  Boston University at Boston College        6 p.m.   TSN5

Sat.        Jan. 16  Wisconsin at Penn State               6 p.m.   TSN2

Fri.          Jan. 22  Minnesota Duluth at Denver      9:30 p.m.             TSN3

Fri.          Jan. 29  Colgate at St. Lawrence 8 p.m.   TSN2

Sat.        Jan. 30  North Dakota at Western Michigan          8 p.m.   TSN2

Mon.     Feb. 1    Harvard vs. Boston College (Beanpot)    5 p.m.   TSN1

Mon.     Feb. 1    Northeastern vs. Boston University (Beanpot)   8 p.m.   TSN1

Fri.          Feb. 5    Lake Superior State at Michigan Tech      8 p.m.   TSN2

Sat.        Feb. 6    Connecticut at Merrimack            7 p.m.   TSN5

Mon.     Feb. 8    Beanpot Championship Game   7:30 p.m.             TSN1

Fri.          Feb. 12 Maine at Notre Dame    6:30 p.m.             TSN2

Fri.          Feb. 12 Northeastern at Massachusetts                8:30 p.m.*           TSN2

Thu.       Feb. 18 Denver at Colorado College         9 p.m.   TSN2

Fri.          Feb. 26 Boston University at Notre Dame             7:30 p.m.             TSN2

Fri.          Mar. 4   Penn State at Wisconsin               8 p.m.   TSN2

Sat.        Mar. 19 Hockey East Championship          7 p.m.   TSN2

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    2 p.m.   TSN2

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    4:30 p.m.             TSN GO

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    5:30 p.m.             TSN2

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    8 p.m.   TSN2

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    3 p.m.   TSN2

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    4 p.m.   TSN GO

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    5:30 p.m.             TSN2

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    6:30 p.m.             TSN2

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    7:30 p.m.             TSN GO

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    9 p.m.   TSN2

Sun.       Mar. 27 NCAA Regional Game    5 p.m.   TSN2

Sun.       Mar. 27 NCAA Regional Game    7:30 p.m.             TSN2

Thu.       Apr. 7    NCAA Frozen Four Semifinal       5 p.m.   TSN2

Thu.       Apr. 7    NCAA Frozen Four Semifinal       8:30 p.m.             TSN2

Sat.        Apr. 9    NCAA Frozen Four Championship             8 p.m.   TSN4

 

- See more at: http://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/ncaa-hockey-returns-tsn#sthash.PYQy322i.dpuf

 

Edited December 9, 2015 by nodak651

[Teeder11]

I would rather be a very large fish in a quickly growing pond than a minnow in the ocean.

Which is why it is great that we don't have to be one or the other....we can aspire to be both!   Sheesh!  Why is that not sinking in?  They're both great, folks!  You can have your preferences but that's all they are.  A championship in any sport we offer is not a bad thing.

Edited December 9, 2015 by Teeder11

[Shawn-O]

I would rather be a very large fish in a quickly growing pond than a minnow in the ocean.

59 teams a decade ago to 60 teams currently is not exactly explosive growth where I come from.  

[Old Time Hockey]

This thread needs to be locked, deleted, and not to be talked about again.  If someone violates this, they should be dealt with similarly as has been done to gfhockey after a drunken tirad.

 

[Siouxperman8]

TSN NCAA hockey schedule.  I think they are airing more hockey games than FCS football.  Just a guess though.

TSN 2015-16 NCAA Hockey Schedule

 

 

 

Day        Date      Game    Time (ET)             Ch.

 

Thu.       Nov. 12 Northeastern at Notre Dame     7:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Fri.          Nov. 13 Boston University at Providence               6 p.m.   TSN2

 

Fri.          Nov. 20 Michigan at Boston University    6 p.m.   TSN2

 

Fri.          Nov. 20 Denver at Wisconsin       8:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Fri.          Nov. 27 Brown vs. Colgate (Belfast)         11 a.m. TSN1

 

Fri.          Nov. 27 Northeastern vs. UMass Lowell (Belfast)              2:30 p.m.             TSN1

 

Fri.          Dec. 11 Niagara at RIT    TD: 11 p.m.         TSN2

 

Sat.        Dec. 12 Boston University at Quinnipiac 7 p.m.   TSN3

 

Sat.        Dec. 12 Minnesota at Michigan  8:30 p.m.*           TSN3

 

Sat.        Dec. 19 Michigan State at Northeastern 6:30 p.m.             TSN3

 

Sat.        Jan. 2     Notre Dame at Denver  9 p.m.   TSN3

 

Fri.          Jan. 8     Michigan at Michigan State          6:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Fri.          Jan. 8     Alaska at Alabama-Huntsville      8 p.m.* TSN2

 

Fri.          Jan. 15  Boston University at Boston College        6 p.m.   TSN5

 

Sat.        Jan. 16  Wisconsin at Penn State               6 p.m.   TSN2

 

Fri.          Jan. 22  Minnesota Duluth at Denver      9:30 p.m.             TSN3

 

Fri.          Jan. 29  Colgate at St. Lawrence 8 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sat.        Jan. 30  North Dakota at Western Michigan          8 p.m.   TSN2

 

Mon.     Feb. 1    Harvard vs. Boston College (Beanpot)    5 p.m.   TSN1

 

Mon.     Feb. 1    Northeastern vs. Boston University (Beanpot)   8 p.m.   TSN1

 

Fri.          Feb. 5    Lake Superior State at Michigan Tech      8 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sat.        Feb. 6    Connecticut at Merrimack            7 p.m.   TSN5

 

Mon.     Feb. 8    Beanpot Championship Game   7:30 p.m.             TSN1

 

Fri.          Feb. 12 Maine at Notre Dame    6:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Fri.          Feb. 12 Northeastern at Massachusetts                8:30 p.m.*           TSN2

 

Thu.       Feb. 18 Denver at Colorado College         9 p.m.   TSN2

 

Fri.          Feb. 26 Boston University at Notre Dame             7:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Fri.          Mar. 4   Penn State at Wisconsin               8 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sat.        Mar. 19 Hockey East Championship          7 p.m.   TSN2

 

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    2 p.m.   TSN2

 

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    4:30 p.m.             TSN GO

 

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    5:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Fri.          Mar. 25 NCAA Regional Game    8 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    3 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    4 p.m.   TSN GO

 

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    5:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    6:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    7:30 p.m.             TSN GO

 

Sat.        Mar. 26 NCAA Regional Game    9 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sun.       Mar. 27 NCAA Regional Game    5 p.m.   TSN2

 

Sun.       Mar. 27 NCAA Regional Game    7:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Thu.       Apr. 7    NCAA Frozen Four Semifinal       5 p.m.   TSN2

 

Thu.       Apr. 7    NCAA Frozen Four Semifinal       8:30 p.m.             TSN2

 

Sat.        Apr. 9    NCAA Frozen Four Championship             8 p.m.   TSN4

 

 

 

- See more at: http://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/ncaa-hockey-returns-tsn#sthash.PYQy322i.dpuf

 

 

 

 

Go to WInnipeg or Toronto and ask who won the NCAA Hockey or FCS football champoinship last year. I would guess the majority of people have no idea.  Like I said before - they are similar for most of the US and even Canada.

[SiouxVolley]

59 teams a decade ago to 60 teams currently is not exactly explosive growth where I come from.  

+Penn St +Ariz St +?UNLV -Findlay -Wayne St

Those positives seem 》than the negatives.

[SiouxVolley]

Go to WInnipeg or Toronto and ask who won the NCAA Hockey or FCS football champoinship last year. I would guess the majority of people have no idea.  Like I said before - they are similar for most of the US and even Canada.

Ask American hockey fan who won Major Junior championships last year.  Same difference.

Edited December 9, 2015 by SiouxVolley

[Siouxperman8]

Ask American hockey fan who won Major Junior championships last year.  Same difference.

Thanks for making my point for me.  The people directly involved care a lot - whether it is NCAA Hockey or FCS Football (or Major Junior hockey, I guess) and the rest of North America has a very passing interest.

Again - NCAA Hockey and FCS Football are similar in importance.

[Cratter]

 

And -1,174 reputation points for the person who started this thread...

Yeah because clogging actual threads with this inevitable discussion that always comes up is a much better place.

 

While the initial posts were joking around it was in response to it being discussed off topic in the football forums. And look how fast it came up again in the football forums sending those threads off topic (he moderated them here).

Should be happy this thread exists.

Not my fault its a topic UND fans like to discuss.

[geaux_sioux]

I would rather be a very large fish in a quickly growing pond than a minnow in the ocean.

Quickly growing as in how many new programs per year?

[Fetch]

All I really care about is tomorrow maybe next week 

[nodak651]

People seem to forget (or ignore) that the first two of those operate as non-profits, making their tax returns are available to view online by anyone. In my experience, they have been very open in how they handle their operations and where their money goes when asked.

Do you know where to find these records?  All I found was a trade name for the Ralph.  Found the Engelstad family foundation in Nevada https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/806008137

[nodak651]

Do you know where to find these records?  All I found was a trade name for the Ralph.  Found the Engelstad family foundation in Nevada https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/806008137

Well, looking at the 2012 RE Foundation public records, it looks like the RE Foundation donated $37,500 to UNLV Rebel Hockey Club.  Guessing that is their club hockey team.  Very interesting.............  wonder if UNLV hockey thinks they can get RE Foundation support to help them go D1.  RE Foundations has already donated millions to the UNLV foundation every year.  

Edited December 9, 2015 by nodak651

[Shawn-O]

Love the hockey program, very entertaining, great memories, great friends made.  But also some wildly delusional people here:

• CFP Championship Ohio State v Oregon - 33.4M viewers
• NCAA Basketball Final Duke v Wisconsin - 28.3M viewers
• NCAA Hockey semi-final North Dakota v Boston U - 0.3M viewers

Yep, we're a heavyweight.  Protect the goose that's laying the golden eggs immediately!  Quickly, shutter the football and basketball programs and divert resources!   

Oh, and sorry to say...NDSU-Montana FCS Kickoff got 981,000 viewers last August on a Saturday afternoon.  

And one more...NDSU-Gonzaga 2 v 15 NCAA basketball tournament, 2.1M viewers, not including streaming.  It's an avalanche of data.  But don't forget about "the straw that stirs the drink!!" 

Edited December 9, 2015 by Shawn-O

[ericpnelson]

I was actually referring to full blown shuffleboard...  But all forms have their merits.  

Croquet is easier to get in to.  It can be played almost anywhere, which assures elite athletes from all walks of life have the opportunity to play.

Full shuffleboard boasts a consistent playing surface which is nice, but limits playing options to cruise ships and Florida.  It can also attract large crowds, especially on the cruise ships, if hot chicks are playing in bikinis.

However, the possibility of dysentery and a sinking ship diminishes some of shuffleboard's advantages.

Bar Shuffleboard being subject to different sizes and surfaces just appeals to the appeal and raw human nature of the sport, like the green monster in fenway or the short porch in Yankee stadium. It challenges participants to strive various settings, including, but not limited to, variable lighting, levels of sobriety, noise levels, and surface conditions. Is there enough saw dust on the table? Is there too much? Is the table wet from spilled beer?

Have you ever seen croquet played in the rain? I didn't think so.

All the unnatural challenges push competitors to the very limit of their person, hell sometimes even past it? Many a times I have seen a frustrated player toss a bullet stone at an opponents carelessly dangled fingers to send a message. That kind of palpable intensity is something croquet could only hope to bottle up.

[UNDvince97-01]

Yeah because clogging actual threads with this inevitable discussion that always comes up is a much better place.

 

While the initial posts were joking around it was in response to it being discussed off topic in the football forums. And look how fast it came up again in the football forums sending those threads off topic (he moderated them here).

Should be happy this thread exists.

Not my fault its a topic UND fans like to discuss.

Yeah thanks Cratter.  Keep up the good work. Im super jacked and grateful you started this thread.

Hooray, Cratter.

Edited December 10, 2015 by UNDvince97-01

[Siouxperman8]

Bar Shuffleboard being subject to different sizes and surfaces just appeals to the appeal and raw human nature of the sport, like the green monster in fenway or the short porch in Yankee stadium. It challenges participants to strive various settings, including, but not limited to, variable lighting, levels of sobriety, noise levels, and surface conditions. Is there enough saw dust on the table? Is there too much? Is the table wet from spilled beer?

Have you ever seen croquet played in the rain? I didn't think so.

All the unnatural challenges push competitors to the very limit of their person, hell sometimes even past it? Many a times I have seen a frustrated player toss a bullet stone at an opponents carelessly dangled fingers to send a message. That kind of palpable intensity is something croquet could only hope to bottle up.

I just helped a friend move a bar shuffleboard machine into his basement last weekend.  Bar shuffleboard is a much better vs. croquet for the winter months in MN and ND.

[scpa0305]

Quickly growing as in how many new programs per year?

I am talking about the growth of hockey in our country, as far as the USA Hockey members.  It has been staggering.  Many of those new members will most likely get into college hockey at some point.  The more kids pick up hockey the bigger hockey becomes in the US.

Edited December 10, 2015 by scpa0305

[geaux_sioux]

I am talking about the growth of hockey in our country, as far as the USA Hockey members.  It has been staggering.  Many of those new members will most likely get into college hockey at some point.  The more kids pick up hockey the bigger hockey becomes in the US.

What does staggering equate to? I think it'd be cool if hockey could become a truly national sport.

[Shawn-O]

What does staggering equate to? I think it'd be cool if hockey could become a truly national sport.

Evidently about 1.8% a year.  

http://www.usahockey.com/page/show/839306-membership-statistics

 

Edited December 10, 2015 by Shawn-O

[North Dakota]

No matter how many hockey titles UND would win, the national attention of one NCAA BB tourney appearance would destroy that of hockey. I do think UND should be focusing even more resources to BB then FCS football but heck even FCS football would generate as much if not more attention then hockey. How many times has NDSU been on ESPN the last 5 years? How about UND? BB would give us the best bang for the $!

IMO our rank of sports to focus on should be:

1. Mens BB

2. FCS football

3. Mens hockey

[SiouxVolley]

No matter how many hockey titles UND would win, the national attention of one NCAA BB tourney appearance would destroy that of hockey. I do think UND should be focusing even more resources to BB then FCS football but heck even FCS football would generate as much if not more attention then hockey. How many times has NDSU been on ESPN the last 5 years? How about UND? BB would give us the best bang for the $!

IMO our rank of sports to focus on should be:

1. Mens BB

2. FCS football

3. Mens hockey

Deemphasizing hockey is assinine.  You don't kill a golden goose.  Some day, UND will be in a PAC12 league with Denver and maybe Omaha.  That will pay tremendous dividends for all UND sports.