So Bresciani has a goal to make NDSU AAU ....

[bison73]

1 minute ago, jdub27 said:

It is not an opinion that DB has a history of making poor decisions and judgement calls. 

It is not an opinion that his boss and the SBoHE (half of which has NDSU ties) agrees with this and have not yet renewed his contract because of it.

It is not an opinion that multiple NDSU presidents have a problematic history of working with the NDSU system and chancellor because they don't work well with others.

What is an opinion, with no proven factual information, is that somehow all of this is "people out to get NDSU" despite NDSU having strong representation in the groups that are being accused of it. 

Its your opinon and or supposition on why.  The supposed poor decisions and judgement calls are also nothing more than opinion and are only a big deal if you want them to be. And of course thats the purpose of this whole exercise. The release of the communications show whats going on. its a witch hunt.  You refuse to see it or acknowledge it. Regardless you still spin it to the narrative they-you want.  They want DB gone period. Theyre just trying to figure out a way to do it so they dont find themselves in a legal mess or pray they can harass him enough that he leaves. Thats the end game.  The SBoHE not renewing his contract and the reasons why is nothing more than a ruse to achieve that end..

 

 

[jdub27]

9 hours ago, bison73 said:

Its your opinon and or supposition on why.  The supposed poor decisions and judgement calls are also nothing more than opinion and are only a big deal if you want them to be. And of course thats the purpose of this whole exercise. The release of the communications show whats going on. its a witch hunt.  You refuse to see it or acknowledge it. Regardless you still spin it to the narrative they-you want.  They want DB gone period. Theyre just trying to figure out a way to do it so they dont find themselves in a legal mess or pray they can harass him enough that he leaves. Thats the end game.  The SBoHE not renewing his contract and the reasons why is nothing more than a ruse to achieve that end.

No, it is not my opinion why. They were clear, with examples, on why he didn't have his contract renewed: Communication breakdown, research needs improvement, lack of teamwork and lack of compliance with state technology law. Pretty laughable to claim the reasons "are only a big deal if you want them to be" when they caused him to not get his contract renewed yet. That seems like a pretty big deal to me, but of course I'm just spinning my own narrative.

Can you point out where in the communication that exposes the supposed witch hunt? So far it was the chairwoman of the board using the term "improvement plan" instead of a different phrase, when previous interviews stated they were going to work with him on improving the above mentioned issues, which may not be officially an improvement plan, but sounds pretty close to one. And let's not forget that that reason that said press release had to come out was because of the NDSU media-rights debacle and DB's subsequent handling of it.

Can you also point "who" it is that wants DB gone? First it was the UND controlled legislature, but we've already proven that doesn't exist. Then it was western legislators, but NDSU has ties to around 25% of the total legislature, yet they sit there silent while NDSU is being supposedly railroaded?  Is it the SBoHE that has 4 of 8 members with NDSU ties? Because if that is the case, then maybe you should read between the lines to see that he isn't doing his job the way he should be.

As for getting into a legal mess, that is a pretty big stretch since all they have to do is let him finish out the school year and he's done. If whoever "they" are want him gone, there is no legal requirement for his contract to be renewed, so it is pretty simple. They don't need to harass him to leave or get into any sort of legal issues.

[bison73]

7 hours ago, jdub27 said:

No, it is not my opinion why. They were clear, with examples, on why he didn't have his contract renewed: Communication breakdown, research needs improvement, lack of teamwork and lack of compliance with state technology law. Pretty laughable to claim the reasons "are only a big deal if you want them to be" when they caused him to not get his contract renewed yet. That seems like a pretty big deal to me, but of course I'm just spinning my own narrative.

Can you point out where in the communication that exposes the supposed witch hunt? So far it was the chairwoman of the board using the term "improvement plan" instead of a different phrase, when previous interviews stated they were going to work with him on improving the above mentioned issues, which may not be officially an improvement plan, but sounds pretty close to one. And let's not forget that that reason that said press release had to come out was because of the NDSU media-rights debacle and DB's subsequent handling of it.

Can you also point "who" it is that wants DB gone? First it was the UND controlled legislature, but we've already proven that doesn't exist. Then it was western legislators, but NDSU has ties to around 25% of the total legislature, yet they sit there silent while NDSU is being supposedly railroaded?  Is it the SBoHE that has 4 of 8 members with NDSU ties? Because if that is the case, then maybe you should read between the lines to see that he isn't doing his job the way he should be.

As for getting into a legal mess, that is a pretty big stretch since all they have to do is let him finish out the school year and he's done. If whoever "they" are want him gone, there is no legal requirement for his contract to be renewed, so it is pretty simple. They don't need to harass him to leave or get into any sort of legal issues.

 

Quote from BV

""""Improve communication? You mean the line or two that's on every single performance review of every employee everywhere?
- Misleading the public/lying? That's what this politically correct world has come to? Sounds like my kids fighting - "He pulled my hair" or "He hit me". Having columns/opinions stating "President should resign" is insulting to me as a reader - let me come up with my own conclusions and if I can't, let me either ignore the story or do some fact checking myself (this post).
- Not being a team player with UND? I'm confused here as I thought what's good for NDSU is good for North Dakota and is good for the taxpayers. There's gotta be two sides to this story, but we've only heard one.
- Not jumping to NDUS's Office 365? Don't even get me started here. It doesn't matter if each institution had their own or if everyone went together in a group - it's all going to cost the same if the person in charge of the agreement did their job correctly. So what exactly is gained by lumping everything together?
- Research rating dropping? Maybe I'm too naive here, but isn't NDSU's rating still on par with the other research university in the state? To me that says NDSU was right on the line of lower A and higher B (I'm sure those are inaccurate terms, but I didn't want to go look them up). Yes, the rating dropped, but is that level something to be ashamed of? Honest question that I don't know the answer to-what was the rating before Bresciani took over?
- Not cutting spending and instead cutting an earmarked program that hasn't started yet? Yeah because we want to go through the same thing that UND just went through when they decided to cut Music Therapy? He decided to save money in future budgets by not starting the program at all.



If you read the documents not highlighted by the FCC, you will find a few things. One letter between two SBOHE members where the board was definitely not in agreement with an improvement plan or anything of the like. If memory serves, there was a line in there that was close to "If what we discussed would ever come to being called an improvement plan, I would not have agreed to this." Those words (improvement plan) were chosen by the chairwoman carefully because once you say them, you can't take them back (sound familiar to what everyone said about Bresciani?). I, personally, find the reasoning given by Bresciani believable, and think the media is taking them drastically out of context.

Also, those documents uncovered a request for information from a member of the legislature (that ironically ended up on Rob Port's site). Ask yourself why anyone in the legislature cares about whether a University President is lying about some "media guidelines". To me it's ridiculous that state funds were used to request information about something the legislature has no (direct) control over.



Just because someone has "ties" to a university doesn't mean they are invested in seeing it be successful. I had plenty of classmates at NDSU who only went there for a degree that wasn't offered at UND and they continue to trash NDSU and praise UND to this day despite the school name on their diploma. CAS has "ties" to UND, so he is obviously pro-UND, right? Many, many situations like this, but this really boils down to whoever wants to be the most vocal. Obviously, there is at least one member of the legislature that doesn't like him (the information request), Rob Port (and whoever is pulling his strings) doesn't like him, the FCC doesn't like him, the chairwoman (and whoever is pulling her strings) of the SBOHE doesn't like him. All of those except the legislature representative (can't publicly state you don't like NDSU's leader as that's career suicide right now) have a sounding board to display their displeasure. Don Morton made an assumption after the FCC's editorial piece by saying there was some good "evidence" in that piece. I'm assuming he didn't think that would get public, but even a high school freshman knows you have to look at both sides before making a statement damning someone with whom you have "ties".

What about the "proponents" of Bresciani? They post facts about what Bresciani and NDSU has done in the years he has been here and they get accused of "fully swallowed the koolaid". They continually get brought back to the "fact" that he lied, is arrogant, is too big for his britches. All are obviously great examples to not renew a contract of someone leading the most successful university in the state. """"

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, bison73 said:

Quote from BV

You couldn't come up with any responses yourself so you literally had to copy and paste my post word for word over there to go get some new talking points. And you want people to take you serious and have a meaningful discussion? Wow. 

As for your copy and paste answer which is pointless to discuss with you since they aren't your thoughts, some valid points that I've previously conceded mixed with some opinions I don't agree with. I'll point out that the vice-chair of the SBoHE is a very well known supporter of NDSU. His silence in most of this should be deafening. 

[Bison Dan]

29 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

You couldn't come up with any responses yourself so you literally had to copy and paste my post word for word over there to go get some new talking points. And you want people to take you serious and have a meaningful discussion? Wow. 

As for your copy and paste answer which is pointless to discuss with you since they aren't your thoughts, some valid points that I've previously conceded mixed with some opinions I don't agree with. I'll point out that the vice-chair of the SBoHE is a very well known supporter of NDSU. His silence in most of this should be deafening. 

Another professor at UND caught with child porn on a university computer.  How does that happen?  Maybe you should worry about your own house......

[homer]

6 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

Another professor at UND caught with child porn on a university computer.  How does that happen?  Maybe you should worry about your own house......

Right on cue.  

[bison73]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

You couldn't come up with any responses yourself so you literally had to copy and paste my post word for word over there to go get some new talking points. And you want people to take you serious and have a meaningful discussion? Wow. 

As for your copy and paste answer which is pointless to discuss with you since they aren't your thoughts, some valid points that I've previously conceded mixed with some opinions I don't agree with. I'll point out that the vice-chair of the SBoHE is a very well known supporter of NDSU. His silence in most of this should be deafening. 

Yes I did. I took it over there because I just couldnt believe how one sided you were looking at this and wanted to see if it was just me. I guess it wasnt.

Yes I was also  at a loss for words. I admit it. I knew what I wanted to say but couldnt formulate it. While I was trying to figure it out this response came up. I was lazy and contacted the author and he said I could quote him. Its not like I took his words and used them as my own. I gave credit where it came from. It doesnt  make the response any less valid.

 

 

[Mayville Bison]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

You couldn't come up with any responses yourself so you literally had to copy and paste my post word for word over there to go get some new talking points. And you want people to take you serious and have a meaningful discussion? Wow. 

As for your copy and paste answer which is pointless to discuss with you since they aren't your thoughts, some valid points that I've previously conceded mixed with some opinions I don't agree with. I'll point out that the vice-chair of the SBoHE is a very well known supporter of NDSU. His silence in most of this should be deafening. 

I'll take the bait then since they were my thoughts.  Let's get it all out on the table because there are parts I'm not 100% sure about, but I also know you are throwing out some ideas much further off.

Lets figure out where in the middle is the truth.

The vice-chair has been silent because the entire board was instructed to have the chair be the spokesperson for the group to make sure a consistent message is presented.  That hasn't exactly worked with the uncovered documents, but that's why you haven't heard anything.

[SIOUXFAN97]

did not know that ndac's endowment passed UND...did this drunk AAU announcement actually help them push past us...by a lot?

[The Sicatoka]

So you didn’t include the separate aerospace endowment fund. 

[FSSD]

44 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

So you didn’t include the separate aerospace endowment fund. 

Are you talking about this?

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

So you didn’t include the separate aerospace endowment fund. 

not me....mr wiki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_North_Dakota

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota_State_University

[SIOUXFAN97]

fssd thing from conference realignments so this too...

[Bison Dan]

10 hours ago, FSSD said:

Are you talking about this?

 

program Services?  Heard from UND buddies that Sandy makes over 450,000 salary.  So where does the money come from as their is zero net fundraising?

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, Bison Dan said:

program Services?  Heard from UND buddies that Sandy makes over 450,000 salary.  So where does the money come from as their is zero net fundraising?

You're "buddies" lied to you. By a lot.

[SIOUXFAN97]

Can you two smart people tell us what your arguing about?

who has a higher endowment….und or ndac?

[The Sicatoka]

Comparing UNDAA&F to NDSUF isn't the whole picture. 

UND also has the Aerospace Foundation supporting programs, and don't trust anything but Form 990 for data. And not "summaries"; look at the actual (IRS) Form 990. 

[FSSD]

15 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Comparing UNDAA&F to NDSUF isn't the whole picture. 

UND also has the Aerospace Foundation supporting programs, and don't trust anything but Form 990 for data. And not "summaries"; look at the actual (IRS) Form 990. 

So, you are saying $509,567,035

Alumni:

 

Aerospace:

 

[FSSD]

And NDSU Foundation

[FSSD]

Since I was on the site a couple of others for reference:

• NDSU - 596,239,920
• Wyoming (2020) - 580,989,996
• UND - $509,567,035
• Idaho - 429,288,893
• USD - 354,609,394
• SDSU - 333,342,228
• Montana (2020) - 325,214,671
• Montana St (2020) - 310,930,064
   

[SIOUXFAN97]

42 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Since I was on the site a couple of others for reference:

• NDSU - 596,239,920
• Wyoming (2020) - 580,989,996
• UND - $509,567,035
• Idaho - 429,288,893
• USD - 354,609,394
• SDSU - 333,342,228
• Montana (2020) - 325,214,671
• Montana St (2020) - 310,930,064
   

update mr. wiki please

[UND1983]

18K by 2018 was my favorite Deano Dream.  That guy talked big, no doubt

[FSSD]

25 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

update mr. wiki please

It looks like the wiki uses a different system for input.  I think it comes from - Public NTSE Tables (nacubo.org)  Not sure what the reporting differences are..  But, I already feel like I am too deep into the weeds.  Tapping out on this one, just wanted to square up the conversation that I appeared to start.  Sorry, if I caused turbulence on this topic.