College Hockey Expansion

[SIOUXFAN97]

if und were in the big10 for hockey the conference formerly known as the pig10 would have 7 teams in the top 20 including the number one ranked irish?

[SIOUXFAN97]

On 12/30/2017 at 8:03 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Still rumors that Arizona St will get a new arena and a conference invite, presumaby the NCHC.

 

http://www.flohockey.tv/articles/6063865-hockey-in-the-desert-arizona-state-sun-devils-building-something-special

some people are trying to have it both ways...some say you need a history of good hockey b4 joining the nchc regardless if you have a nice 50 million dollar arena...will it be an arena that finally gets asu their nchc invite or ten years of committed d1 hockey with success that gets them in?

[Godsmack]

http://www.uscho.com/2018/01/16/arizona-state-getting-details-finalized-announce-new-campus-rink/

ASU Head Coach Powers is quoted as saying the eventual plan is for ASU to play in a PAC 12 hockey conference....so if that’s the case, why in the world would the WCHA, or the NCHC for that matter, even consider inviting them to join knowing it’s not in ASU’s long-term plans to stick around?

[southpaw]

38 minutes ago, Godsmack said:

http://www.uscho.com/2018/01/16/arizona-state-getting-details-finalized-announce-new-campus-rink/

ASU Head Coach Powers is quoted as saying the eventual plan is for ASU to play in a PAC 12 hockey conference....so if that’s the case, why in the world would the WCHA, or the NCHC for that matter, even consider inviting them to join knowing it’s not in ASU’s long-term plans to stick around?

I don't think any conference thinks it will keep the same membership for 20 years, because that's how long it will take for a Pac12 hockey conference to join. 

The "short term" benefits of having a P5 school that is willing to spend money in your conference will outweigh them leaving in 2040. 

[Rebel_Sioux]

41 minutes ago, Godsmack said:

http://www.uscho.com/2018/01/16/arizona-state-getting-details-finalized-announce-new-campus-rink/

ASU Head Coach Powers is quoted as saying the eventual plan is for ASU to play in a PAC 12 hockey conference....so if that’s the case, why in the world would the WCHA, or the NCHC for that matter, even consider inviting them to join knowing it’s not in ASU’s long-term plans to stick around?

Well the Colorado teams would probably like to have ASU.

For the WCHA, they have nothing to lose and no where to go but up. 

 

In either case a PAC12 hockey conference is not going to happen anytime soon. In the meantime I'm sure both conferences could benefit from their money and influence as a Power 5 school. The biggest risk to the NCHC is obviously their impact on our conference record/conference strength. 

[nodak651]

Think they would draw better at the frozen faceoff than Denver cc Omaha wmu or miami?

[cberkas]

1 hour ago, nodak651 said:

Think they would draw better at the frozen faceoff than Denver cc Omaha wmu or miami?

They seem to have a good network of fans.

[cberkas]

6 hours ago, southpaw said:

I don't think any conference thinks it will keep the same membership for 20 years, because that's how long it will take for a Pac12 hockey conference to join. 

The "short term" benefits of having a P5 school that is willing to spend money in your conference will outweigh them leaving in 2040. 

You’d have to think that the Pac-12 saw how bad the B1G was with 6 teams and should wait to add hockey to the conference when they have 8 teams.

The risk of the NCHC adding Arizona State is low with a higher reward.

[chicofelipe]

12 hours ago, nodak651 said:

Think they would draw better at the frozen faceoff than Denver cc Omaha wmu or miami?

Hard to draw worse than those.

[cberkas]

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[SiouxVolley]

49 minutes ago, cberkas said:

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George McPhee "We are making a sizeable effort to grow the game of hockey on the collegiate level & the grass level in #Vegas & the west." #UNLV #VegasBorn

Adding Ariz St and UNLV to the NCHC would  cause WMU and Miami to leave.  Net positive.

[cberkas]

4 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Adding Ariz St and UNLV to the NCHC would  cause WMU and Miami to leave.  Net positive.

Western Michigan and Miami will not pay 1.5 million to leave the NCHC.

[Goon]

53 minutes ago, SiouxVolley said:

Adding Ariz St and UNLV to the NCHC would  cause WMU and Miami to leave.  Net positive.

Where did you hear this or read this? You're not related to this guy, are you?

 

[nodak651]

1 minute ago, SiouxVolley said:

Adding Ariz St and UNLV to the NCHC would  cause WMU and Miami to leave.  Net positive.

I've said it before.  UNLV hockey will happen, and the Engelstad Foundation will be a huge reason why.  They are already a huge supporter of the Rebel hockey club and have made significant donations the past few years.

2015 - 37,500

2014 - 113,495

2013 - 112,250

2012 - 37,500

 

[Rebel_Sioux]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Adding Ariz St and UNLV to the NCHC would  cause WMU and Miami to leave.  Net positive.

And where would they go to? The WCHA? That conference has tragically collapsed the last few years. They could reform the CCHA but then they'd need 4 other teams to leave their conferences.

[SiouxVolley]

9 minutes ago, Rebel_Sioux said:

And where would they go to? The WCHA? That conference has tragically collapsed the last few years. They could reform the CCHA but then they'd need 4 other teams to leave their conferences.

A  MAC-Horizon bus league is inevitable.  Oakland, Toledo, Illinois St, and Buffalo are just a matter of time.  Bowling Green badly wants out of the WCHA.  The pieces are just about there.

[SiouxScore]

1 hour ago, Goon said:

Where did you hear this or read this? You're not related to this guy, are you?

 

That guy had every detail along the way of the Fleck deal. He posted before the Gophers bowl game last year and not a lot of people took it serious on GopherIllustrated but then everything that he kept posting would happen did happen and it was a very fun thread to follow.

[Rebel_Sioux]

I wish instead of a worthless heart icon that means the same thing as a thumbs up, this site added a laughing icon

[FGHTNSX Hawkey14]

8 hours ago, Rebel_Sioux said:

I wish instead of a worthless heart icon that means the same thing as a thumbs up, this site added a laughing icon

 like that?

[jdub27]

12 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

A  MAC-Horizon bus league is inevitable.  Oakland, Toledo, Illinois St, and Buffalo are just a matter of time.  Bowling Green badly wants out of the WCHA.  The pieces are just about there.

I won't even bother getting into the other ones because you think Illinois State is going to add hockey? They are broke as a joke and already subsidize their athletic department at almost $20 million/year and the state is slashing funding. But it's just a matter of time.... 

[cberkas]

47 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I won't even bother getting into the other ones because you think Illinois State is going to add hockey? They are broke as a joke and already subsidize their athletic department at almost $20 million/year and the state is slashing funding. But it's just a matter of time.... 

Illinois State at least has an arena to play in unlike Illinois, but they are going to need a major donor like Illinois to add hockey.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

19 hours ago, cberkas said:

Illinois State at least has an arena to play in unlike Illinois, but they are going to need a major donor like Illinois to add hockey.

Illinois St and Iowa St have ice arenas, so a donor could definitely make the difference in starting the Div I program. Being their athletic budgets are so large, even if subsidized, it may eventually have enough support within to start, even without the big donor. If Arz. St. and potentially UNLV, why not some U south of the Minns, Wiscos, & Michs?

[cberkas]

5 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Illinois St and Iowa St have ice arenas, so a donor could definitely make the difference in starting the Div I program. Being their athletic budgets are so large, even if subsidized, it may eventually have enough support within to start, even without the big donor. If Arz. St. and potentially UNLV, why not some U south of the Minns, Wiscos, & Michs?

Iowa State would use the Hilton?

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Just now, cberkas said:

Iowa State would use the Hilton?

Iowa club hockey uses the rink in the shopping mall.

[cberkas]

9 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Iowa club hockey uses the rink in the shopping mall.

Iowa is getting that new arena that is finally getting built. 

I’ve heard The Hilton Colosseum at Iowa State can make ice.