Blackheart Posted February 6 Posted February 6 21 hours ago, nodakvindy said: big difference is that Standing Rock, Fort Berthold and Spirit Lake all have casinos tied to legit recreational destinations with Devils Lake, Lake Sakakawea and Lake Oahe. And Three Affiliated makes way more on oil than on their casino. Turtle Mountain can make a claim that the GF area is in their ancestral lands, so I think it has a viable shot. It would definitely be a big benefit from Grand Forks, so I hope it becomes a reality. Spirit Lake weighs in... https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/spirit-lake-tribe-comes-out-in-opposition-to-turtle-mountain-plans-for-grand-forks-casino Quote
nodakvindy Posted February 6 Posted February 6 8 minutes ago, Blackheart said: Spirit Lake weighs in... https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/spirit-lake-tribe-comes-out-in-opposition-to-turtle-mountain-plans-for-grand-forks-casino They are the closest to GF, so if anyone had opposed, that makes sense. I could see them partnering to make problems go away. Quote
Walsh Hall Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, nodakvindy said: They are the closest to GF, so if anyone had opposed, that makes sense. I could see them partnering to make problems go away. Dakota Magic (Hankinson) and Prairie Knights (Standing Rock) would be toast if a casino like the GF proposal opened in Fargo or Bismarck. They have to have major concerns if the door is opened to a 3rd party tribe opening a casino which would essentially put them out of business. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted February 7 Posted February 7 21 hours ago, Blackheart said: Spirit Lake weighs in... https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/north-dakota/spirit-lake-tribe-comes-out-in-opposition-to-turtle-mountain-plans-for-grand-forks-casino Spirit Lake expressing a public opinion ... no further comment ... Quote
Redneksioux Posted February 7 Posted February 7 Casino will be on sovereign land so will avoid taxes. Because of this the city has come up with an agreement to collect $855k-$1M per year. Why so little? Isn’t this amount a very tiny fraction of what would have been collected from taxes if this wasn't sovereign land? Quote
Cratter Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/5/2025 at 10:27 AM, ND1 said: Difference this time is the land has been purchased ($10 Mil). New governor that supports the change in ND law to allow this and now former Gov. Burgum is now Sec. of the Interior. The biggest hurdle was always federal approval, that now becomes much easier with Burgum in charge of the Interior. Nah, state just shot down sports betting. We're barely removed from shopping on sabbath before church services. Feds could give two sh!ts. North Dakota lawmakers hate gambling. Still no scratch offs. Just finally got powerball "recently." But like I said before, those things don't hurt GF and Fargo because they're border towns. "We" have legal weed in our "cities" because we ain't all "true North Dakotans." ...also, 2 out of 3 ND's biggest "cities" have scratchoffs. Someday maybe "Bismarck" will realize this... Quote
Cratter Posted February 8 Posted February 8 14 hours ago, Redneksioux said: Casino will be on sovereign land so will avoid taxes. Because of this the city has come up with an agreement to collect $855k-$1M per year. Why so little? Isn’t this amount a very tiny fraction of what would have been collected from taxes if this wasn't sovereign land? No casino ≈ $0 Any money is better than zero. Property taxes are an odd entity. If it gets shot down, they'll collect the exact same amount as if it was built then?! Quote
Cratter Posted February 8 Posted February 8 ND Legislation should do everything in it's power to help "underperforming" entities in its state. Swallow your pride and help the less fortunate finally. GF and Turtle Mountain are those two perspectives in their individual categories. If it fails, it's partially petty and shallowness to blame. "A, beat the little guy down so you grow more... Vs... a rising tides lifts all boats mentality." Quote
Cratter Posted February 8 Posted February 8 On 2/6/2025 at 1:39 PM, Walsh Hall said: Dakota Magic (Hankinson) and Prairie Knights (Standing Rock) would be toast if a casino like the GF proposal opened in Fargo or Bismarck. They have to have major concerns if the door is opened to a 3rd party tribe opening a casino which would essentially put them out of business. And oddly enough, Fargo and Bismarck are closer to their "Indian reservation" gambling than GF. If anything just grant GF an exception clause. Bismarck is so close to their casino they have/had shuttles for (my) grandparents. Quote
Redneksioux Posted February 8 Posted February 8 5 hours ago, Cratter said: No casino ≈ $0 Any money is better than zero. Property taxes are an odd entity. If it gets shot down, they'll collect the exact same amount as if it was built then?! So no downside to the casino/sovereign land in grand forks? Quote
Cratter Posted February 8 Posted February 8 2 hours ago, Redneksioux said: So no downside to the casino/sovereign land in grand forks? The city gets a million dollars a year. The people get more job options. The visitors get more hotel and entertainment options. Downside: we can't let people decide how they want to spend their money. The other downside is when money is involved people really perk up. You: "We need more money!" Spirit Lake: "It'll take our money!" Other cities: "Hey, why they get that money and not us. Not fair!" 💰 💰 💰 Quote
Kab Posted February 8 Posted February 8 9 hours ago, Cratter said: And oddly enough, Fargo and Bismarck are closer to their "Indian reservation" gambling than GF. If anything just grant GF an exception clause. Bismarck is so close to their casino they have/had shuttles for (my) grandparents. Make it so casinos like this can be no closer than 85 miles from another ND casino or whatever miles it takes so devils lake doesn’t get in that mileage or Fargo to GF Quote
Redneksioux Posted February 11 Posted February 11 On 2/8/2025 at 10:01 AM, Cratter said: The city gets a million dollars a year. The people get more job options. The visitors get more hotel and entertainment options. Downside: we can't let people decide how they want to spend their money. The other downside is when money is involved people really perk up. You: "We need more money!" Spirit Lake: "It'll take our money!" Other cities: "Hey, why they get that money and not us. Not fair!" 💰 💰 💰 At least the tribe will have spare money to buy security, since gf police wont be allowed on this land! Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 I get this asked all the time...... "are you happy you voted for bo so far".... what say u guys..... Quote
Kab Posted February 11 Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: I get this asked all the time...... "are you happy you voted for bo so far".... what say u guys..... What would brown do 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted February 11 Posted February 11 3 minutes ago, Kab said: What would brown do get an order (2nd order) of food to go if it was on city's tab..... 1 Quote
Walsh Hall Posted February 11 Posted February 11 2 hours ago, Redneksioux said: At least the tribe will have spare money to buy security, since gf police wont be allowed on this land! What specifically has happened regarding the potential classification of sovereignty of the land or local/law enforcement not being “allowed on the land.” Being a tax exempt entity is an entirely different concept. Quote
Blackheart Posted February 11 Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Kab said: What would brown do You referring to UPS? Quote
Brim006 Posted February 12 Posted February 12 20 hours ago, Kab said: What would brown do Step 1 - ignore all community input and popular opinion to instead just check with big dog business owner buddies in the good ole boys club Step 2 - Conspire ideas with that good ole boys club to best squash the casino plans Step 3 - if that fails, force public works to schedule 4-5 year road construction all around the casino Step 4 - if that also fails, funnel money to Fargo/Moorhead to help them build their own larger version in hopes Canadians and others bypass GF for Fargo Step 5 - if that also fails, increase GF city taxes by 550% to build another crappier casino in the Columbia mall, and to build several more banks, car washes and mattress stores. Step 6 - disband any/all road safety restrictions to ensure potato and beet farmers no longer have to have top cages on their hauling trailers to further litter the road ways with beets and potatoes in hope to deter any outside traffic anywhere in the community all together. 1 1 Quote
Walsh Hall Posted February 13 Posted February 13 Do not pass recommendation to SB2376 at the committee level considering the GF casino proposal. Quote
Walsh Hall Posted February 14 Posted February 14 On 2/13/2025 at 7:24 AM, Walsh Hall said: Do not pass recommendation to SB2376 at the committee level considering the GF casino proposal. Officially dead. Voted down in the floor vote. Not close. Quote
Popular Post NewUndFan Posted February 14 Popular Post Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Walsh Hall said: Officially dead. Voted down in the floor vote. Not close. Way to go ND stay in the dark ages. I think we were the last state to allow Sunday openings. We just will never be the forefront of anything. 7 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted February 14 Posted February 14 2 hours ago, Walsh Hall said: Officially dead. Voted down in the floor vote. Not close. I'll bet if it was for Imperial Cass County, it would have passed. 2 Quote
forksandspoons Posted February 14 Posted February 14 I know it’s how the state government works, but why would it matter to someone from, say Dickinson or Williston, that a casino is built in Grand Forks? Ridiculous. Go into Montana and you can gamble at every gas station. Quote
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