82SiouxGuy Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 If it is just a sports nickname why change it? The NCAA and the PC Do Gooders brought this fight not us who want to keep it. It seems it is more than just a nickname to those who want it changed. The NCAA is a private organization. They can set their own rules. They don't want Native American nicknames or imagery associated with their events, and they have the ability to put pressure on schools to get rid of them. How difficult is that to understand? If they wanted they could pass a policy against schools using the color green for school colors. That's why you change it, to remove the pressure being put on the school. The choices are simple. Keep the name and suffer the penalties, keep the name and leave the NCAA, or change the name. There is no option where you get to keep the name and not suffer damages of some kind. The sanctions the NCAA have in place will slowly eat away at the athletic department, unless the Big Sky decides to get rid of UND which would result in much quicker damage. Leaving the NCAA and going to the NAIA would set UND athletics back decades. Retiring the nickname is the lesser of the 3 evils. A lot of other schools have changed their nickname and have thrived. UND can also. That's why you change the nickname. 4 Quote
Fetch Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Then change it for everyone be fair & consistent Damages can be handled - not worth dropping the name 1 Quote
Hawkster Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Then change it for everyone be fair & consistent So you're saying you wouldn't have a problem with us dropping the Sioux name if they get rid of the Seminoles and the Chippewas too? Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Then change it for everyone be fair & consistent Damages can be handled - not worth dropping the name Try telling the athletes and coaches that the damages can be handled. You will hear a different answer from them. And since when has life ever been fair? Do you live in some kind of fantasy world? UND has to deal with its own situation and not worry about what is happening with anyone else. 2 Quote
Fetch Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I think we have as much or more support for our name as the seminoles Quote
darell1976 Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I think we have as much or more support for our name as the seminoles If we did...we wouldn't be on sanctions. 1 Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I think we have as much or more support for our name as the seminoles And what does that matter under the current circumstances? UND didn't get the needed approvals by the required deadlines. There are no do-overs. It doesn't matter what happens with Florida State. Quote
Chewey Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 I think we have as much or more support for our name as the seminoles I agree, generally. One big difference is that Florida's Congressional delegation actually had a collective spine and challenged the NCAA. North Dakota's Congressional delegation is AWOL. A slippery collection of invertebrates to be sure. Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted April 29, 2012 Posted April 29, 2012 Then the ncaa & you are wrong The NCAA may be wrong, but they have the controls. I am right about what UND needs to do. 2 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 I agree, generally. One big difference is that Florida's Congressional delegation actually had a collective spine and challenged the NCAA. North Dakota's Congressional delegation is AWOL. A slippery collection of invertebrates to be sure. I see you and ScottM agree on at least this much. Quote
Fetch Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 some of you better change your names or are you secretly praying we win ? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Fetch, go back and read some of Chewey's more recent (since SL's day in court about 10 days ago) responses. He seems far more measured, far less bombastic (not saying he was all that bombastic before), since the hearing before Judge Erickson. You have to ask yourself ... "Why?" 2 Quote
Popular Post 82SiouxGuy Posted April 30, 2012 Popular Post Posted April 30, 2012 some of you better change your names or are you secretly praying we win ? Your comprehension skills are very weak, as are your off-hand insults. Most of us really like the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. It would be our first choice to keep. However, we understand that keeping the nickname and logo in place will damage the University of North Dakota because of the NCAA sanctions. The University of North Dakota is more important to us than the nickname. Therefore we are ready to retire the name and allow the school to move on. The nickname and logo have served the University well over the years. They can be retired with honors. You and the other nickname-at-all-cost types don't care about the University. You care about what you want, rather than what is best for the school and the athletic department. You seem to believe that the nickname is magic. It isn't. You believe that continuing to fight will somehow result in the NCAA changing their policy. It won't. You think that UND keeping the name will somehow hurt the NCAA. It won't. This isn't some great crusade. This is a sports nickname that currently is causing UND problems because of the sanctions. 10 Quote
UNDColorado Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Your comprehension skills are very weak, as are your off-hand insults. Most of us really like the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. It would be our first choice to keep. However, we understand that keeping the nickname and logo in place will damage the University of North Dakota because of the NCAA sanctions. The University of North Dakota is more important to us than the nickname. Therefore we are ready to retire the name and allow the school to move on. The nickname and logo have served the University well over the years. They can be retired with honors. You and the other nickname-at-all-cost types don't care about the University. You care about what you want, rather than what is best for the school and the athletic department. You seem to believe that the nickname is magic. It isn't. You believe that continuing to fight will somehow result in the NCAA changing their policy. It won't. You think that UND keeping the name will somehow hurt the NCAA. It won't. This isn't some great crusade. This is a sports nickname that currently is causing UND problems because of the sanctions. AMEN! Quote
Fetch Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 what real problems until SL has their Lawsuit Many of you have tried to hasten the surrender from the begining Quote
Teeder11 Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.grandforksherald.com/event/article/id/235529/ Here we go! 1 Quote
Popular Post fightingsioux4life Posted April 30, 2012 Popular Post Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.grandfork...icle/id/235529/ Here we go! Thank God the UND Alumni Association has its head screwed on straight.....unlike some people (Rob Port) in this state. 5 Quote
UNDBIZ Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 Thank God the UND Alumni Association has its head screwed on straight.....unlike some people (Rob Port) in this state. He's just an ignorant POS looking to make some money off the situation.... 4 Quote
UNDColorado Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.grandfork...icle/id/235529/ Here we go! this news made a good day great! Quote
82SiouxGuy Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 what real problems until SL has their Lawsuit Many of you have tried to hasten the surrender from the begining Most of us supported the fight up until it became obvious that Standing Rock wasn't going to change their position by the deadline. The fight was lost at that point because the NCAA had the law on its side. The Spirit Lake lawsuit may be dismissed this week. If it continues it will take multiple years and still has only a small chance of winning. The damage that can be done to the University of North Dakota isn't worth the small chance of Spirit Lake winning their lawsuit. 2 Quote
ScottM Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 http://www.grandfork...icle/id/235529/ Here we go! Too bad all of the money that's going to be spent on this campaign couldn't have been spent on UND and its students, but some people just don't really care about that. Think I'll write another check to the Association to help cover the difference. 2 Quote
Fetch Posted April 30, 2012 Posted April 30, 2012 You think anyone will learn anything new ? ? ? Quote
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