Conference Realignments - Take 2

[nodakvindy]

15 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

big sky loves utah tech and suu

Big Sky is in no danger of collapse or losing autobid.

It's important to remember that the CFP is not run by the NCAA. The Big school can do what they want and pretty much box out the G6 because they bring little financially. Im not certain that the G6 will get a playoff. Who would bankroll it? 

ESPN already has the CFP and I dont know that there is anyone clamoring to spend hundreds of millions to show a G6 playoff. The NCAA could run one but im not sure they wouldn't just force them to merge with FCS and just expand to 32 teams.  That seems more plausible than 3 levels of D1 football. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

we will soon find out...from 2 schools.

question....if the ndac is absolutley stockpiling cash why...

1. fargodump....i know they don't own it but come on man.

2. the practice facilty....come on man

3. a new bball arena instead of the polished up bomb shelter

4. nice baseball.....but cut bc of 1a football?  too bad

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 minute ago, nodakvindy said:

Big Sky is in no danger of collapse or losing autobid.

It's important to remember that the CFP is not run by the NCAA. The Big school can do what they want and pretty much box out the G6 because they bring little financially. Im not certain that the G6 will get a playoff. Who would bankroll it? 

ESPN already has the CFP and I dont know that there is anyone clamoring to spend hundreds of millions to show a G6 playoff. The NCAA could run one but im not sure they wouldn't just force them to merge with FCS and just expand to 32 teams.  That seems more plausible than 3 levels of D1 football. 

1a 1aa 1aaa and 1aaaa

bring it on!  can't wait

[GeauxSioux]

The current and and expected future of college football turmoil reminds of the Fire Sale part of Margin Call.  Caution these is some course language here....

The ground is shifting beneath our feet.

 

[GeauxSioux]

Going back to those who were disparaging SiouxVolley aka Star2City.  He had a vision of using the dying WAC and reconfiguring it with FCS schools to make a nice western FBS conference.  Isn't that pretty much what is happening to the WAC, being rebranded as the UAC?  Just moved it East.

[nd1sufan]

2 hours ago, GeauxSioux said:

 As has been reported, in all likelihood there will be a big shakeup/split between the Big Boys and the rest of FBS in the not too distant future.  What happens to the rest of the FBS?  Does it merge with some of the FCS conferences?

If UND is not looking to go full throttle toward the FBS model following NDSU, positioning still needs to happen for the future.  What about partnering with SDSU and look west and a return to the Big Sky?  The Big Sky is losing Sacramento State and likely UC Davis in the next couple of years.  Can Cal Poly be far behind? They may need some new blood to keep things moving.  That would position us with the Montanas should there be a fracture in the FBS.

Minimum 6 years down the road. 2032 at the earliest and then why would the G6 want to expand and let anyone in with a pulse from the FCS. They would want to hold onto any of the media money and keep their G6 championship their own. No network will be clamoring for a team from Grand Forks or brookings or Normal, Illinois to get invited to a conference to sweeten a TV contract.  
 

NDSU will be in a better place when and if that happens. And if the FCS teams want to think they will be paid to enter an FBS conference when that happens, good for them. They will be in the third tier for a long time.

[Hawkster]

3 hours ago, GeauxSioux said:

 As has been reported, in all likelihood there will be a big shakeup/split between the Big Boys and the rest of FBS in the not too distant future.  What happens to the rest of the FBS?  Does it merge with some of the FCS conferences?

If UND is not looking to go full throttle toward the FBS model following NDSU, positioning still needs to happen for the future.  What about partnering with SDSU and look west and a return to the Big Sky?  The Big Sky is losing Sacramento State and likely UC Davis in the next couple of years.  Can Cal Poly be far behind? They may need some new blood to keep things moving.  That would position us with the Montanas should there be a fracture in the FBS.

There's only 6-8 quality FCS schools left at best and even the good conferences like MVFC and the Big Sky have a huge variation between the great ones on top and the also-rans at the bottom.   I don't see much sense in merging anything.   It's going to be the best ones moving up at some point, if they can.

[UND1983]

46 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Minimum 6 years down the road. 2032 at the earliest and then why would the G6 want to expand and let anyone in with a pulse from the FCS. They would want to hold onto any of the media money and keep their G6 championship their own. No network will be clamoring for a team from Grand Forks or brookings or Normal, Illinois to get invited to a conference to sweeten a TV contract.  
 

NDSU will be in a better place when and if that happens. And if the FCS teams want to think they will be paid to enter an FBS conference when that happens, good for them. They will be in the third tier for a long time.

Keep raising that NIL money.  That's not how it works  

[GeauxSioux]

56 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

Minimum 6 years down the road. 2032 at the earliest and then why would the G6 want to expand and let anyone in with a pulse from the FCS. They would want to hold onto any of the media money and keep their G6 championship their own. No network will be clamoring for a team from Grand Forks or brookings or Normal, Illinois to get invited to a conference to sweeten a TV contract.  
 

NDSU will be in a better place when and if that happens. And if the FCS teams want to think they will be paid to enter an FBS conference when that happens, good for them. They will be in the third tier for a long time.

Not buying that timeline.  Things seem to be happening fast and somewhat unpredictable.  Who would have predicted 5-6 years ago that four members of the Pac10 would be in the Big 10?  Money is making things move rapidly.  The Big 10 and SEC are running things, not the NCAA and they can make their own rules.

[SIOUXFAN97]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

Minimum 6 years down the road. 2032 at the earliest and then why would the G6 want to expand and let anyone in with a pulse from the FCS. They would want to hold onto any of the media money and keep their G6 championship their own. No network will be clamoring for a team from Grand Forks or brookings or Normal, Illinois to get invited to a conference to sweeten a TV contract.  
 

NDSU will be in a better place when and if that happens. And if the FCS teams want to think they will be paid to enter an FBS conference when that happens, good for them. They will be in the third tier for a long time.

so  ndac is chasing...............1aa titles ..........again.

[homer]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

Minimum 6 years down the road. 2032 at the earliest and then why would the G6 want to expand and let anyone in with a pulse from the FCS. They would want to hold onto any of the media money and keep their G6 championship their own. No network will be clamoring for a team from Grand Forks or brookings or Normal, Illinois to get invited to a conference to sweeten a TV contract.  
 

NDSU will be in a better place when and if that happens. And if the FCS teams want to think they will be paid to enter an FBS conference when that happens, good for them. They will be in the third tier for a long time.

And no one is paying for a team from Fargo, ND or Laramie, WY in that same scenario.  
 

What will serve the G6 schools well will be tighter conference footprints and minimized travel costs.  Some of these G6 schools can’t afford the level they are at now, they will be hurting even more minimum 6 years from now. That is where the FCS schools that are ready will see an opportunity IMO. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

mentions lindenwood and western illiinois...

what no Augie or bemidji love ??!!

[nd1sufan]

59 minutes ago, GeauxSioux said:

Not buying that timeline.  Things seem to be happening fast and somewhat unpredictable.  Who would have predicted 5-6 years ago that four members of the Pac10 would be in the Big 10?  Money is making things move rapidly.  The Big 10 and SEC are running things, not the NCAA and they can make their own rules.

They have a contract with ESPN for the playoffs through 2032. There will be no G5/FCS merger before that for sure. If they expand to 24 teams (which the big boy conferences are talking about) and have a guarantee one G5 team in every year, this year according to the formula for picking the top 24 there would have been 2, there is no way the G5’s will be adding teams Willie Nillie. Much better to have your foot in the door now than taking a chance waiting.

[Hawkster]

1 hour ago, GeauxSioux said:

Not buying that timeline.  Things seem to be happening fast and somewhat unpredictable.  Who would have predicted 5-6 years ago that four members of the Pac10 would be in the Big 10?  Money is making things move rapidly.  The Big 10 and SEC are running things, not the NCAA and they can make their own rules.

That's becoming the problem, money is making things move rapidly.   It's going to take extreme amounts of money to do anything in regards to moving up and things get dumber all the time.   NDSU and Sac State probably guarantees that no one moves up on the cheap.   Look at Memphis offered the Big 12 $200 million for an invite.   True they got turned down but still it's money that's being offered.   But you are right that the NCAA is letter others make their own rules.

[SIOUXFAN97]

13 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

They have a contract with ESPN for the playoffs through 2032. There will be no G5/FCS merger before that for sure. If they expand to 24 teams (which the big boy conferences are talking about) and have a guarantee one G5 team in every year, this year according to the formula for picking the top 24 there would have been 2, there is no way the G5’s will be adding teams Willie Nillie. Much better to have your foot in the door now than taking a chance waiting.

breaking news....the g5 or g6 is the fcs....the fcs is the g5 or g6

 

 

[Siouxphan27]

With Sac State joining the MAC, I wonder if they’ll create a very unique rivalry trophy with Ball State.  They could call the game The Battle for the Ball Sac. 

[GeauxSioux]

7 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

They have a contract with ESPN for the playoffs through 2032. There will be no G5/FCS merger before that for sure. If they expand to 24 teams (which the big boy conferences are talking about) and have a guarantee one G5 team in every year, this year according to the formula for picking the top 24 there would have been 2, there is no way the G5’s will be adding teams Willie Nillie. Much better to have your foot in the door now than taking a chance waiting.

Yes, they have a contract with ESPN, but you are already talking how they may alter it for 24 teams. What other alterations could they make? Lockout the G5’s completely?  The Big Boys are calling the shots and can do what they want, because they have the money to do it. 

[Oxbow6]

Rumor out of Missoula, per boots on the ground, is that the Cats and Griz will make a push to join the Pac-12 after NDSU's jump. 

[cowboys5xsbs]

13 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Rumor out of Missoula, per boots on the ground, is that the Cats and Griz will make a push to join the Pac-12 after NDSU's jump. 

Pac 12?  That's mighty ambitious

[Hawkster]

21 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Rumor out of Missoula, per boots on the ground, is that the Cats and Griz will make a push to join the Pac-12 after NDSU's jump. 

What has Bill Chaves done in the last week?

[The Sicatoka]

Given Miami was just here and we go to Western Michigan in a week, Chaves and Armacost should be talking permanent MAC membership. 

(Sac paid $18M for a five-year slot when you read and dig deep.)

[The Sicatoka]

17 minutes ago, cowboys5xsbs said:

Pac 12?  That's mighty ambitious

It ain't your daddy's PAC. Only remnants are WasSU and OrSU. 

The Montanas want that west coast exposure (athletes and students). 

[UND1983]

21 minutes ago, cowboys5xsbs said:

Pac 12?  That's mighty ambitious

Have you seen it?  Not really

[Hawkster]

4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Given Miami was just here and we go to Western Michigan in a week, Chaves and Armacost should be talking permanent MAC membership. 

(Sac paid $18M for a five-year slot when you read and dig deep.)

If we're going to fork out $23 million to move I'd rather spend it getting to a better conference than the MAC.  That's pretty much slum territory.

[forksandspoons]

Not saying it even has a 1% chance, but if it’s true about the Montanas aiming for the PAC 12, then UND should aim for it too. Comparing enrollments and endowments of the Montanas and the 2026 PAC 12 , UND could fit. Call up SDSU as a travel partner. 
 

Don’t need $ from the big fish, but instead a whale.