Voting Results

[Butkus33]

I agree, MplsBison sure does have a lot to say on this matter. I have said all along that they should let the Sioux tribes vote and no matter how close rule in favor of the vote. The thing is, and I am not sure which Sioux tribe it is but they blessed the University when we wanted to implement the Fighting Sioux Nickname! Now history is repeating itself with a 2/3 vote in favor of keeping the nickname! I am not sure how it would turn out with the other tribe, but I would guess that it would probably pan out similar to the vote that was held today.

I think it is time that the opponents of the Nickname step up and say the people have spoken and they favor the nickname and be done with it, PERIOD. And for supporters to stand up respectfully for the nickname and not let any ignorant punk to make any slurs towards Natives. (Remember the T-shirts that with a Bison and a Sioux) That $@*! needs to stop.

We need to move forward and keep the moral high ground, which I think many have in the past, like 95+%!!!

In regards to the Big 10 and whomever else won't schedule a game, because of our nickname, well I can assure you the Fans at UND won't be the ones making slurs towards the Fighting Sioux nickname, maybe it's time they educate their students, fans and alum on what is appropriate and what isn't.

Go Sioux!

[star2city]

And another thing, Skippy, regarding this issue I'd much rather listen to Sioux hockey fans than 'SU fans. There seem to be an awful lot of 'SU fans here today offering advice. I find it hard to believe that they really have the best interests of UND at heart. I think it more likely that they are shitting themselves at the prospect that the Fighting Sioux moniker may yet live on. On second thought, let me correct myself - there isn't any issue on which I'd rather hear the opinion of 'SU fans over Sioux hockey fans.

The sadistic tendencies of that portion of NDSU fans who enjoy "anything-to-hurt UND" had to have taken a major fist to the gut - especially after all time and effort they're invested into other message boards inflaming the whole situation.

As far as dropping the name now, how can that be done when Sioux like Eunice Davidson came forward and put their names and reputation on the line in support of the nickname? A portion of her letter to the editor:

There is absolutely no defending the flyers that the opposition referred to during the campaign. They are vile and disgusting, and the American Indian community has every right to be angry. ...

These racist attacks can only harm any efforts of achieving good will and understanding between UND and the Sioux people of North Dakota.

It is clear that the white community loves and honors its “Fighting Sioux” teams. They have pride in those teams and their name. They love the name and are afraid it will be taken away.

They also angry, and they have a right to be. But it is also clear that this can only be decided by the Sioux Nation. It is our heritage, just as it was for the Florida Seminoles.

In spite of all this, the committee remains positive and devoted to the responsibility to protect the well being of our grandchildren and future generations. We wish to leave a legacy providing educational opportunities and preserving our identity as Fighting Sioux for a peaceful co-existence and racial harmony through education and enlightenment.

[SooToo]

The guy has a reasonable point. Many Bison fans are also UND hockey fans. I would hate to come to this web site and find there is no place for discourse or debate.

Anyone who thinks Bison fans would be all that concerned about the name issue are mistaken. Many enjoy the whining and fuss and the fact that it any negative publicity for UND is good for them.

I would hope most UND hockey fans are simply UND fans. Anyone who might feel threatened by what someone posts on this website about the subjects here might need to get out more.

Well said. Couldn't agree more. Always refreshing to read an honest give-and-take conversation here, regardless of the background of the contributors. Anyone who prefers smack-filled banter where no dissent is tolerated can ALWAYS get their fill at Bisonville.

[star2city]

What's best for the University longterm? I don't know. From this point on, however, it's pretty hard for the many charges against the use of the nickname to hold much water.

If there ever is an long-term agreement on the Sioux nickname, I would hope that a reservation vote would be required to dismiss the nickname - not merely council action. That would limit any chance the nickname is at the whims of an activist council (i.e. Standing Rock).

It would also seem that the Fighting Sioux name will now have an even more heroic status to it - a politically powerless alumni base and a small band of indigenous people take on the NCAA and the PC left and win. That is not supposed to happen.

[MplsBison]

If there ever is an long-term agreement on the Sioux nickname, I would hope that a reservation vote would be required - not merely council action. That would limit any chance the nickname is at the whims of an activist council (i.e. Standing Rock).

It would also seem that the Fighting Sioux name will now have an even more heroic status to it - a politically powerless alumni and a small band of indigenous take on the NCAA and the PC left and win. That is not supposed to happen.

THat would have to be a minimum of required language in any such agreement.

And just more proof that such agreement will never happen. The leaders of the tribes will want to have that point to yank away nickname support at the drop of a hat.

[MplsBison]

If it can work for the likes of Florida State and Central Michigan, it can work for UND. That's the point that you either don't understand or don't want to understand. If UND was the only school in the nation with a Native American/American Indian nickname you might be on to something, but that isn't the case. It can and does work based on the precedent set by other schools.

Your situation is not apples to apples to FSU or CMU, as has been pointed out.

[Ray77]

Which in and of itself is something that I personally find disturbing, but I digress...

You're just itching for someone to comment on you being a Sioux and Gopher fan to stir it up even further, aren't you? Well, I, for one, am not biting!

[darell1976]

After reading the article in the GF Herald i found it nice that people went out and voted in their Sioux jerseys, shirts and hats not only for the vote but because they love the name and thats what they wear. Has anyone heard of any responces on campus from teachers who teach at a school whose name they don't like? We should tell the Spirit Lake that in exchange for the Sioux name for many years (more than 50) that GF would add a casino kinda like what the Turtle Lake Chippewa wanted to do. Its just a thought. We could do one for the Standing Rock if they vote yes for the name. One other question....any comment from Myles Brand, or the Summitt League President?

[Goon]

Standing Rock leadership will either:

A) not allow a vote

B) thumb their noses at a majority vote supporting the nickname and refuse any agreement

Either way, the only result is dropping the nickname

But I guess if you want to drag it out for another year+, the Summit will be there.

I am sick and tired of these Bison fans lecturing us about dropping our logo, It's not your decision.

Second go back to minneapolis.

[Goon]

And another thing, Skippy, regarding this issue I'd much rather listen to Sioux hockey fans than 'SU fans. There seem to be an awful lot of 'SU fans here today offering advice. I find it hard to believe that they really have the best interests of UND at heart. I think it more likely that they are shitting themselves at the prospect that the Fighting Sioux moniker may yet live on. On second thought, let me correct myself - there isn't any issue on which I'd rather hear the opinion of 'SU fans over Sioux hockey fans.

I agree I could give a flying ***k what Bison fans think.

[Goon]

THat would have to be a minimum of required language in any such agreement.

And just more proof that such agreement will never happen. The leaders of the tribes will want to have that point to yank away nickname support at the drop of a hat.

don't you have something else to do? This is a Fighting Sioux message board go cheer for you stupid mediocre barely mid major school.

[GeauxSioux]

USA Today:One tribe backs North Dakota bid for Fighting Sioux name

Members of the Spirit Lake Sioux tribe say they're proud of the Fighting Sioux nickname, and they showed it with their votes.

Results from the tribe's primary election, announced Wednesday by the tribal election committee, showed 764 votes in favor of the University of North Dakota's nickname and Indian head logo and 371 against it.

Under a settlement with the NCAA, UND needs approval from the Sioux tribes in the state to continue using the nickname and Indian-head logo without penalties. The NCAA considers it hostile and abusive.

"The people spoke," Davidson said Wednesday. "I hope the rest of the country and the NCAA hears that."

Tribal Chairwoman Myra Pearson declined comment.

Frank Black Cloud wore his UND Fighting Sioux hat to the tribal offices Wednesday.

"I've been called every name in the book, but I'm proud to be called a Fighting Sioux because that's what I am," Black Cloud said.

[hockey1]

MplsBison, you have made it perfectly clear that you want to see the name dropped.

Let me guess... you were sick and tired of seeing the Bison get beat by the Sioux in football up until the move to I-AA. Now that UND is in their transition to I-AA it's only a matter of time before they might play another football game against NDSU. If the name gets changed before the next UND/NDSU football game you won't have to suffer through another loss at the hands of the Fighting Sioux. Right?

8>1

[Chewey]

I don't really mind the Bison fans here. All points of view should be tolerated. It is strange, however, how some NDSU people just relish the thought of UND going through this business. It's all good until your own ox gets gored. Just wait until the NCAA starts pounding on NDSU's door about retiring a symbol/nickname that is sacred. Remember, it's just Fargo and it's just NDSU. It's not like Fargo/NDSU are anything special outside of ND (it's not like they're anything special inside the state of ND either except to the "we wanna be Minnesotans" Fargo crowd) and it's not like there is any greater political clout against the NC00 there.

[LB#11]

And another thing, Skippy, regarding this issue I'd much rather listen to Sioux hockey fans than 'SU fans. There seem to be an awful lot of 'SU fans here today offering advice. I find it hard to believe that they really have the best interests of UND at heart. I think it more likely that they are shitting themselves at the prospect that the Fighting Sioux moniker may yet live on. On second thought, let me correct myself - there isn't any issue on which I'd rather hear the opinion of 'SU fans over Sioux hockey fans.

Damn straight, DamStraight Yes there are Bison fans that are Sioux hockey fans, but I think we all know that a big majority of Bison fans would love the Sioux name to just go away. Would MplsBison or any other Bison fans fight for the Bison name if a minority of people wanted to take that away?

[FargoBison]

I do agree this is your decision and that is why I try to stay out of it and it's not like NDSU has anything to lose or gain because of what happens. I just hope you can get it resolved one way or the other. The Summit League will still be there in 2010 and will likely still have 11 members. You have fought it this long and you may as well let the process run its course. Good Luck.

As for mplsbison, enjoy him. Glad he isn't polluting the other boards I visit anymore.

[The Sicatoka]

For some reason this is on repeat mode today ... I'd like to dedicate it to Mr. Longie.

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Eagles/Get-Over-It.html

I turn on the tube and what do I see

A whole lotta people cryin' "Don't blame me"

They point their crooked little fingers ar everybody else

Spend all their time feelin' sorry for themselves

Victim of this, victim of that

Your momma's too thin; your daddy's too fat

Get over it

Get over it

All this whinin' and cryin' and pitchin' a fit

Get over it, get over it

You say you haven't been the same since you had your little crash

But you might feel better if I gave you some cash

The more I think about it, Old Billy was right

Let's kill all the lawyers, kill 'em tonight

You don't want to work, you want to live like a king

But the big, bad world doesn't owe you a thing

Get over it

Get over it

If you don't want to play, then you might as well split

Get over it, Get over it

It's like going to confession every time I hear you speak

You're makin' the most of your losin' streak

Some call it sick, but I call it weak

You drag it around like a ball and chain

You wallow in the guilt; you wallow in the pain

You wave it like a flag, you wear it like a crown

Got your mind in the gutter, bringin' everybody down

Complain about the present and blame it on the past

I'd like to find your inner child and kick its little ass

Get over it

Get over it

All this bitchin' and moanin' and pitchin' a fit

Get over it, get over it

Get over it

Get over it

It's gotta stop sometime, so why don't you quit

Get over it, get over it

With thanks to Don Henley and the rest of The Eagles.

[82SiouxGuy]

For some reason this is on repeat mode today ... I'd like to dedicate it to Mr. Longie.

http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Eagles/Get-Over-It.html

With thanks to Don Henley and the rest of The Eagles.

Get Over It

[MplsBison]

Damn straight, DamStraight Yes there are Bison fans that are Sioux hockey fans, but I think we all know that a big majority of Bison fans would love the Sioux name to just go away. Would MplsBison or any other Bison fans fight for the Bison name if a minority of people wanted to take that away?

I know I will be alone on this, but anyway:

it's just a damn nickname. Conference membership is what's good for the school, big picture. Anything that threatens that ain't worth it, IMO.

And furthermore, this is the kind of stuff that makes me lose faith in humanity. When people get spitting mad over stupid little, crap like this that is absolutely a speck of dust in regards to the big picture...well...we ain't gunna make it. Humans, that is.

Heck, I know if goon or damstraight had a gun and me unarmed in a room, they'd blow me away no questions asked. Just over an opinion.

Yep...humans ain't gunna make it.

But that's neither here nor there.

[Fetch]

Thank You Spirit Lake Nation

I will continue to support your Casino & Marina

I have always noticed how many NA's have worn the Fighting Sioux Logo

Thank You for the support for Our Name & pray for continued improved relations

I hope we always make you Proud

I hope all the people get to decide - It proves how wise the people are compared to a few negative leaders & other trouble makers

[dagies]

it's just a damn nickname.

On the surface you are right, but after this much time it's developed an identity. I'm sure no one would care of tomorrow NDSU decided to change the nickname from the Bison to the Horses.

[Goon]

It is strange, however, how some NDSU people just relish the thought of UND going through this business. It's all good until your own ox gets gored. Just wait until the NCAA starts pounding on NDSU's door about retiring a symbol/nickname that is sacred.

That is probably coming next. Then will see who takes the moral high ground.

[patatoe]

it's just a damn nickname.

Yet you hold it up with enough pride to use it in your screen name. It is not just a "nickname", there is so much PRIDE, HONOR, TRADITION and EXCELLENCE behind the Bison. Try to get a serious group together to change the Bison, you will get the chance to see some of your opponents defend these noble traits to their very core. There is a real LOVE for the BISON by their fans, just like the SIOUX and their fans.

[mizzou/sioux]

I know I will be alone on this, but anyway:

it's just a damn nickname. Conference membership is what's good for the school, big picture. Anything that threatens that ain't worth it, IMO.

And furthermore, this is the kind of stuff that makes me lose faith in humanity. When people get spitting mad over stupid little, crap like this that is absolutely a speck of dust in regards to the big picture...well...we ain't gunna make it. Humans, that is.

Heck, I know if goon or damstraight had a gun and me unarmed in a room, they'd blow me away no questions asked. Just over an opinion.

Yep...humans ain't gunna make it.

So, it's just a damn nickname, eh?

What if the NCAA demanded NDSU change its nickname for whatever egregious reason? It's hard to believe the crocodile tears being shed by some Bison fans on this issue. It's sad to see and say but some (only a small minority, it's true, but nevertheless...) Bison fans are simply anti-UND and will use any form of distorted logic and abstract reasoning that simply defies imagination in an effort to put one over on UND big-time. For some, this is simply screw UND whatever the cost.

But that's neither here nor there.

[star2city]

I had sent a letter to the editor a couple of years ago that was published on this very issue: that NA's in general supprot the name but people like Leigh Jeanotte and the leftist faculty at UND were the one's trying to change the name and are there not bigger issues among NA's than the nickname. Within 2 weeks of my letter being published in the paper, I had Leigh Jeanoote, some UND faculty and a civil liberties organization at UND calling the administration of the hosptial/clinic I work for asking them to fire me because I was a bigot and a racist. This anti-name sect is hell bent on getting their way and destroying anyone who disagrees with them.

Where's the press in revealing this type behavior?

The anti-nickname sect has been on an all-out campaign to deface and defame everything about UND to different organizations, like the NCAA, the press, accrediting organizations, the Summit League, the U of Minnesota, the U of Wisconsin, etc. etc. What could they possibly do next that's more destructive? Should we be in business of appeasement of this type behavior?