Being that far down the road hurt. But the killers were losing their brewer and trying to become big canner. The stuff they can and sent to other other bars was "safe" but just wasn't that good. Issue for them is that their vats are so big it's tough to take risks and try new things. Half brothers keeps finding new popular beers like Pickle Rickle and rotates them in when they have the ingredients. But that also builds the demand.
Drekker is a different animal as they make awesome beer, still take chances, and have huge distribution. Heck it is cheaper to get down in Arizona than here.