A Precarious State

[The Sicatoka]

Someone bought all the local ABC air time in MN from 7-8 pm tonight (Thu Oct 2): KSTP, Duluth, Rochester and Fargo and Sioux Falls. 

It's a look at MSP.

Or is it a warning to Fargo and Grand Forks. 

https://precariousstate.com/ 

Oct 2nd 7-8 PM CT

WDAY-TV

 

Host is Rick Kupchella ... yeah, that guy's son.

[FSSD]

I live in the metro area.  It will be intersting to see this tonight and how people react.   FYI - the people in Fargo, Sioux Falls and Grand Forks should be watching very carefully.  There is a reason many kids are leaving the metro to go to school in these communities.

[Kab]

The city of NY should watch this before their mayoral election.

 

[southpaw]

It would be hard to find a more political video. Had I started a thread and posted a video touting the benefits of socialism, it would have been shut down faster than government and fewer people would lose their jobs. Instead, @jimdahl allows a double-standard.

The first commentator owns a property management company with dozens of violations who created a PAC to fund candidates that have pledged to remove renter protections. His company has made political donations only to Republicans, including the RNC, MJT, and other candidates outside of MN. Money that could have been donated in state to help improve the situation he laments.

The first five minutes includes them bitching about no parking, but because Google exists, there are at least six parking garages or lots within three blocks of where they're standing.

It also focuses solely on the cities. If it was about the precarious state of Minnesota, it probably should have mentioned that sweet, sweet socialism the farmers need just to stay afloat.

[UND1983]

17 minutes ago, southpaw said:

It would be hard to find a more political video. Had I started a thread and posted a video touting the benefits of socialism, it would have been shut down faster than government and fewer people would lose their jobs. Instead, @jimdahl allows a double-standard.

The first commentator owns a property management company with dozens of violations who created a PAC to fund candidates that have pledged to remove renter protections. His company has made political donations only to Republicans, including the RNC, MJT, and other candidates outside of MN. Money that could have been donated in state to help improve the situation he laments.

The first five minutes includes them bitching about no parking, but because Google exists, there are at least six parking garages or lots within three blocks of where they're standing.

It also focuses solely on the cities. If it was about the precarious state of Minnesota, it probably should have mentioned that sweet, sweet socialism the farmers need just to stay afloat.

Farmers rely on 'socialism'?  

[JacksonW]

18 hours ago, FSSD said:

I live in the metro area.  It will be intersting to see this tonight and how people react.   FYI - the people in Fargo, Sioux Falls and Grand Forks should be watching very carefully.  There is a reason many kids are leaving the metro to go to school in these communities.

Does it discuss the openly racist police force contribution to all the issues

[UND1983]

14 minutes ago, JacksonW said:

Does it discuss the openly racist police force contribution to all the issues

This ain't 2021

[fightingsioux4life]

52 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Farmers rely on 'socialism'?  

Farm subsidies.

[Kab]

4 hours ago, JacksonW said:

Does it discuss the openly racist police force contribution to all the issues

It discussed how defund police contributed to a lot of their problems

[Oxbow6]

Across the Red River we just grab our popcorn and laugh as we watch MSP implode.

[Siouxperman8]

On 10/2/2025 at 2:41 PM, The Sicatoka said:

Someone bought all the local ABC air time in MN from 7-8 pm tonight (Thu Oct 2): KSTP, Duluth, Rochester and Fargo and Sioux Falls. 

It's a look at MSP.

Or is it a warning to Fargo and Grand Forks. 

https://precariousstate.com/ 

Oct 2nd 7-8 PM CT

WDAY-TV

 

Host is Rick Kupchella ... yeah, that guy's son.

Wondering how you thought that starting this thread wouldn't lead to more political talk and division on this site which you profess to be trying to limit or eliminate?

[Nodak78]

2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Across the Red River we just grab our popcorn and laugh as we watch MSP implode.

no $hit the cities are just realizing it is the dumps.  most people can see it from a distanc.

[CMSioux]

I have never see North Dakota ranked top 10 in anything except dunk driving (#5). Minnesota on the other hand makes top 10 lists for education, healthcare, economy, infrastructure, fiscal stability and opportunity.  

[FSSD]

8 hours ago, JacksonW said:

Does it discuss the openly racist police force contribution to all the issues

It discusses the lack of MSP police, continued decreased funding, right now the County has taken a greater role in policing in the City.  IMO, I see political opportunism as being a much larger issue.

[FSSD]

49 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

I have never see North Dakota ranked top 10 in anything except dunk driving (#5). Minnesota on the other hand makes top 10 lists for education, healthcare, economy, infrastructure, fiscal stability and opportunity.  

I would take a close look at the math behind the rating system to really understand it. One strong indicator of how things are going is out-migration patterns, though even those can mask the full picture. For example, my neighbors—a lawyer and a developer, as liberal as they come but a very nice family—finally left last year due to safety concerns in their schools and neighborhood. Because they could both work remotely, they took their jobs with them. My own company has gone fully remote as well; we sold our building, which means no more local property taxes. About half of the developers I know have also left the area, all continuing their work remotely. It’s hard to measure the full impact, but the outflow of people is very real in the metro area where I live, and it’s a real shame.

[Oxbow6]

No one in Minnesota ever wants to talk about the net loss of around $4B in AGI from the MSP metro area over the past few years. Obviously nothing to see there.

For someone to mention "fiscal stability" and the state of Minnesota in the same sentence is laughable. 

#rankedtop10

[Siouxperman8]

26 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

No one in Minnesota ever wants to talk about the net loss of around $4B in AGI from the MSP metro area over the past few years. Obviously nothing to see there.

For someone to mention "fiscal stability" and the state of Minnesota in the same sentence is laughable. 

#rankedtop10

Serious question.   How do MN and ND compare in AGI?  And how does MSP metro compare to ND larger cities in AGI?

[CMSioux]

34 minutes ago, FSSD said:

I would take a close look at the math behind the rating system to really understand it. One strong indicator of how things are going is out-migration patterns, though even those can mask the full picture. For example, my neighbors—a lawyer and a developer, as liberal as they come but a very nice family—finally left last year due to safety concerns in their schools and neighborhood. Because they could both work remotely, they took their jobs with them. My own company has gone fully remote as well; we sold our building, which means no more local property taxes. About half of the developers I know have also left the area, all continuing their work remotely. It’s hard to measure the full impact, but the outflow of people is very real in the metro area where I live, and it’s a real shame.

Except that in 2024 Minnesota's population went up 2.4%, however you can always find a contradicting study. 

[SiouxFanatic]

1 hour ago, CMSioux said:

I have never see North Dakota ranked top 10 in anything except dunk driving (#5). Minnesota on the other hand makes top 10 lists for education, healthcare, economy, infrastructure, fiscal stability and opportunity.  

ND was ranked #8 in infrastructure and #4 in opportunity but sound off. 😂

[FSSD]

19 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

No one in Minnesota ever wants to talk about the net loss of around $4B in AGI from the MSP metro area over the past few years. Obviously nothing to see there.

For someone to mention "fiscal stability" and the state of Minnesota in the same sentence is laughable. 

#rankedtop10

This is net -$5B over the last 3 yrs. 

Another example:

External companies expanding into MN over the last 3 yrs: $4.0B value

Internal companies expanding outside of MN over the last 3 yrs:  $10.6B value

This is a net -$6.6B value investment over the last 3 yrs.

One of Minnesota's claim to fame has been, "Most Fortune 500 Companies per capita in the US".  This is no longer true.  As the professor from the UofM said, "We used to be the center of the universe for main frames computers, then medical devices and now, WE ARE NOT the center of the universe for anything".

[FSSD]

32 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

Except that in 2024 Minnesota's population went up 2.4%, however you can always find a contradicting study. 

Oh, I agree.  The State of MN demographer has been raising the alarm for over a decade now about net domestic migrations.  NOTE:  In talking with my local State Rep, he has said that the MN policy is focused on International migration to create positive growth.  As an example:  

2022:  Domestic - 29,000  International +12,000 with a net of - 17,000

2023:  Domestic - 4,000 International + 12,000 with a net of 8,000

So, I believe any positive growth is going to be based on international migration going forward.  Of course, it is all dependant on policy choices so subject to change.

[The Sicatoka]

2 hours ago, CMSioux said:

I have never see North Dakota ranked top 10 in anything except dunk driving (#5). Minnesota on the other hand makes top 10 lists for education, healthcare, economy, infrastructure, fiscal stability and opportunity.  

Minnesota has fallen to have Louisiana and Mississippi as peers in education. Think high teens. 

[Siouxperman8]

8 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Oh, I agree.  The State of MN demographer has been raising the alarm for over a decade now about net domestic migrations.  NOTE:  In talking with my local State Rep, he has said that the MN policy is focused on International migration to create positive growth.  As an example:  

2022:  Domestic - 29,000  International +12,000 with a net of - 17,000

2023:  Domestic - 4,000 International + 12,000 with a net of 8,000

So, I believe any positive growth is going to be based on international migration going forward.  Of course, it is all dependant on policy choices so subject to change.

interesting.  Assuming the numbers you quoted are from the TV show.  Not knowing what the truth is but everything I can find online shows positive MN population growth every year going back to 2001 and project into the next 10 years.  

Anecdotally - look at house prices and rental costs in TC.  Some people must want to live down here because it is pretty expensive to find a home.  Minneapolis is a mess and not sure how to fix that but the TC metro area is much more than Minneapolis. 

[The Sicatoka]

4 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Wondering how you thought that starting this thread wouldn't lead to more political talk and division on this site which you profess to be trying to limit or eliminate?

I’m seeing discussion of the claims of the report so far. If that drifts it’ll get locked. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 minute ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Minneapolis is a mess ….

That was the thesis and it was explored. It’s worth the hour watch.