Next Head Coach

[F'n Hawks]

5 minutes ago, petey23 said:

I believe Sather, Mallory , and Berry are all in the final years of their contracts for the 25-26 season and I cannot think of one valid reason that any of them would be extended at this time unfrotunately.

It will be very interesting to see what happens. You can’t lame duck all of them can you? Agreed that you also can’t extend…

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So that's it? Every coach is untouchable and has a de facto lifetime contract?

Cripes, this athletic department has sunk into the mud of mediocrity and some people on here are actually okay with that.

It truly is sad.

None of them are untouchable. I don’t see the Athletic Department as mediocre. Our major programs have been mediocre at best.  Hockey is in a position to still be successful but accomplishing that doesn’t seem likely with how inconsistent they have been this year.

The athletic department has had major improvements in facilities. The $500,000,000 Alumni fundraising initiative has millions of dollars earmarked for athletics.  It’s a recent initiative and it’s a work in progress. There is nothing mediocre about that. Go in and talk to Chaves or staff and their enthusiasm for the future of UND athletics can be contagious.

There are people who still will complain.  I refer to them as energy vampires. They can be a cancer to any organization. They are the teammates who don’t respond to any coaching or leadership style and always find someone else to blame. They tend to drag others along with them when the “going gets tough”.  

I haven’t read any suggestions for any of our major sports that would be something they and our coaches haven’t considered.  

I see no reason for me to be sad. Our athletes haven’t performed as well as expected and most of that is on them. They shouldn’t be sad, they should be motivated. 

just my opinion, probably no more accurate than yours or anyone else’s.  

[GoodGood]

Wins and losses are what matter. I don’t care if you build the nicest facilities in the country, if you don’t win games, it doesn’t matter. UND simply does not win enough games with the current athletic department in place 

[CMSioux]

17 hours ago, NewUndFan said:

Anyone have a guess how long we will have to wait for Chaves to make a decision about our coaches ? 

No one outside of this thread thinks that Chaves has any decision to make. They shook up football this year, the others will have to wait. 

[F'n Hawks]

26 minutes ago, CMSioux said:

No one outside of this thread thinks that Chaves has any decision to make. They shook up football this year, the others will have to wait. 

The hockey forum would say otherwise… unless that’s not what you are referring to and are only talking about MBB.

Chaves does have decisions to make unless he is letting all 3 of them coach on the last year of their contract. 

[tnt]

4 hours ago, iramurphy said:

I agree that UND isn’t going to buy out 3 coaches. Chaves doesn’t think we have had a successful hockey season unless we are in the final four, but Confrrence Championships and Tournament wins are part of the evaluation. If someone steps up with a blank check that changes things. We can’t afford $600,000 to $1,000,000 buyouts when we have to navigate NIL and the portal.  
 

I’m not commenting on who should stay or who should go but I will take that bet regarding nothing will improve as long as Chaves is here.  

Which is all the more reason to get rid of Chaves.  His giving out extensions like candy is what put us in this situation.   

[GoodGood]

2 hours ago, CMSioux said:

No one outside of this thread thinks that Chaves has any decision to make.  

There’s a number of season ticket holders at my workplace that do not go on this site that would disagree with you

[HockeyHawk]

5 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So that's it? Every coach is untouchable and has a de facto lifetime contract?

Cripes, this athletic department has sunk into the mud of mediocrity and some people on here are actually okay with that.

It truly is sad.

I think the issues is Chaves has been rewarding subpar performances for years and don’t see him being able to buyout coaches before the end of their contracts after doing so with Bubba. The athletic director made this mess, time for the president to clean it up with a new director with clear expectations of what it takes for coaches to get an extension. 

[HockeyHawk]

4 hours ago, iramurphy said:

None of them are untouchable. I don’t see the Athletic Department as mediocre. Our major programs have been mediocre at best.  Hockey is in a position to still be successful but accomplishing that doesn’t seem likely with how inconsistent they have been this year.

The athletic department has had major improvements in facilities. The $500,000,000 Alumni fundraising initiative has millions of dollars earmarked for athletics.  It’s a recent initiative and it’s a work in progress. There is nothing mediocre about that. Go in and talk to Chaves or staff and their enthusiasm for the future of UND athletics can be contagious.

There are people who still will complain.  I refer to them as energy vampires. They can be a cancer to any organization. They are the teammates who don’t respond to any coaching or leadership style and always find someone else to blame. They tend to drag others along with them when the “going gets tough”.  

I haven’t read any suggestions for any of our major sports that would be something they and our coaches haven’t considered.  

I see no reason for me to be sad. Our athletes haven’t performed as well as expected and most of that is on them. They shouldn’t be sad, they should be motivated. 

just my opinion, probably no more accurate than yours or anyone else’s.  

The whole department has gone down hill since Chaves arrived. You can point fingers at a program or two, but when this is across the board and every program stinks this is a leadership issue from the director. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

 

5 hours ago, iramurphy said:

The success or failure of our programs doesn’t affect me at all. For the sake of those who have “skin in the game” I feel bad for them when they struggle and sad for them when they lose.  
I still like to watch our teams and have gone to games when they were terrible and when they have been national champs. Doesn’t make me a national champ nor a failure either way. 
 

So loyal and committed to UND that you fail to hold UND to a higher standard: a grave example of being too far on one side of the spectrum.

[iramurphy]

3 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

 

So loyal and committed to UND that you fail to hold UND to a higher standard: a grave example of being too far on one side of the spectrum.

The problem with many of your comments is that you seem to think you know what people do or don’t do based on something you don’t understand or don’t agree with. There is nothing in my comments that say anything about holding “ UND to a higher standard “ or not. I don’t take comments by any of us on a fan board too seriously. 
We aren’t the ones with the authority to make the changes you seem to want. I can donate or not donate but that won’t change things. 
You have no clue who I speak with at UND, the subject of the conversation. My opinion is no more important than yours or anyone else’s. Someday you will realize yours isn’t either. 
The nonsense about holding an organization to a higher standard is keyboard warrior jargon. I think it was the motivation speaker Matt Foley said that and a nickel will get you a cup of “jack squat”.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

23 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

The problem with many of your comments is that you seem to think you know what people do or don’t do based on something you don’t understand or don’t agree with. There is nothing in my comments that say anything about holding “ UND to a higher standard “ or not. I don’t take comments by any of us on a fan board too seriously. 
We aren’t the ones with the authority to make the changes you seem to want. I can donate or not donate but that won’t change things. 
You have no clue who I speak with at UND, the subject of the conversation. My opinion is no more important than yours or anyone else’s. Someday you will realize yours isn’t either. 
The nonsense about holding an organization to a higher standard is keyboard warrior jargon. I think it was the motivation speaker Matt Foley said that and a nickel will get you a cup of “jack squat”.  

I figured that strategic comment would get your attention.

I can appreciate your connections and experience, but I don’t agree with your logic in some circumstances. It’s probably a good thing that you don’t take fan board messages too serious. I don’t either. But the majority decision amongst those that value UND and their athletic programs does in fact matter (or should).

Certainly the “decision-makers” will do what they want to do, but as has been said on numerous occasions, if the “decision-makers” such as your beloved Chaves purposely fail to factor in the opinions of season ticket holders, boosters, and alumni, then the “decision-makers” are a part of the problem, not the solution. 

We all know you’re taking the bet (again) that UND will improve under Chaves, and I’m okay with that because I’m all for optimism, but clearly this subject (UND MBB coach) and associated question has a verdict that needs to be acted on: time for a new MBB head coach. 

[NewUndFan]

At the rate Chaves is continuing we will have a arena full @iramurphy white haired people happily clapping and cheering at our team down 30.  Just happy they gave it the good old college try.  Talking how nice our coaches are in the community.  If this is the draw our administration wants it will slowly kill sports at the university.   

I have already seen a decline at the basketball games since I moved here. I use to love going to them. It was loud,  maybe a little rowdy and alot of fun.  This year was the least amount of games I have ever went to.  That being said I am pumped again about und football and that started by making one change ! Let's do it for basketball. 

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 minutes ago, NewUndFan said:

At the rate Chaves is continuing we will have a arena full @iramurphy white haired people happily clapping and cheering at our team down 30.  Just happy they gave it the good old college try.  Talking how nice our coaches are in the community.  If this is the draw our administration wants it will slowly kill sports at the university.   

I have already seen a decline at the basketball games since I moved here. I use to love going to them. It was loud,  maybe a little rowdy and alot of fun.  This year was the least amount of games I have ever went to.  That being said I am pumped again about und football and that started by making one change ! Let's do it for basketball. 

like the bronx cheer the bball team got when they got their 8th point with 3 minutes left in the half last month.....

[AJS]

5 minutes ago, NewUndFan said:

At the rate Chaves is continuing we will have an arena *quarter* full @iramurphy white haired people happily clapping and cheering at our team down 30.  Just happy they gave it the good old college try.  Talking how nice our coaches are in the community.  If this is the draw our administration wants it will slowly kill sports at the university.   

I have already seen a decline at the basketball games since I moved here. I use to love going to them. It was loud,  maybe a little rowdy and alot of fun.  This year was the least amount of games I have ever went to.  That being said I am pumped again about und football and that started by making one change ! Let's do it for basketball. 

Added an important addition.

[HockeyHawk]

19 minutes ago, AJS said:

Added an important addition.

With all the coaching contracts about to expire in the same year as the athletic director 2026 could be a year to right the ship all around. But I do still wonder if the coaching is really that bad all over or is it the way the athletic director runs the department. 

[iramurphy]

34 minutes ago, NewUndFan said:

At the rate Chaves is continuing we will have a arena full @iramurphy white haired people happily clapping and cheering at our team down 30.  Just happy they gave it the good old college try.  Talking how nice our coaches are in the community.  If this is the draw our administration wants it will slowly kill sports at the university.   

I have already seen a decline at the basketball games since I moved here. I use to love going to them. It was loud,  maybe a little rowdy and alot of fun.  This year was the least amount of games I have ever went to.  That being said I am pumped again about und football and that started by making one change ! Let's do it for basketball. 

I’ve been to one game in the last 3 yrs.  I don’t live in GF.
I haven’t said how I feel about either retaining or getting rid of any of our coaches or Chaves.  I’ve said I don’t believe either Sather or Chaves are going anywhere this year. Earlier I said I thought it was time for Mallory to move on. Since that time it looks to me like she’s probably staying also. I don’t believe UND should spend the money it would take to buy out Barry’s contract. 
I wouldn’t know if our coaches are “nice in the community “ but I would hope so. 
I don’t have white hair. I’ve had no discussions with Andy or Chaves regarding our programs. 
Why you think any of that has any effect on the future of our programs is crazy. 
What I think should be irrelevant to you. I have had some experiences that I base my opinions on but this fan forum provides comic relief.  
 

[iramurphy]

3 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I figured that strategic comment would get your attention.

I can appreciate your connections and experience, but I don’t agree with your logic in some circumstances. It’s probably a good thing that you don’t take fan board messages too serious. I don’t either. But the majority decision amongst those that value UND and their athletic programs does in fact matter (or should).

Certainly the “decision-makers” will do what they want to do, but as has been said on numerous occasions, if the “decision-makers” such as your beloved Chaves purposely fail to factor in the opinions of season ticket holders, boosters, and alumni, then the “decision-makers” are a part of the problem, not the solution. 

We all know you’re taking the bet (again) that UND will improve under Chaves, and I’m okay with that because I’m all for optimism, but clearly this subject (UND MBB coach) and associated question has a verdict that needs to be acted on: time for a new MBB head coach. 

Nothing wrong with your comments except assumptions. I don’t have a beloved anyone at UND athletics. 
I believe the decision makers take into account opinions of ticket holders, fans and alumni. The majority of them may have a different opinion than you or I. 

[GoodGood]

7 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

Nothing wrong with your comments except assumptions. I don’t have a beloved anyone at UND athletics. 
I believe the decision makers take into account opinions of ticket holders, fans and alumni. The majority of them may have a different opinion than you or I. 

Right now the public perception of UND athletics is terrible. So if the majority of the athletic department has a different opinion that means they’re ok with where we are at? If they’re not ok with where we are at, why do they keep handing out extensions to coaches that don’t deserve them? Something is not adding up with this athletic department. Most importantly, wins are not adding up for the athletic department 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, GoodGood said:

Right now the public perception of UND athletics is terrible. So if the majority of the athletic department has a different opinion that means they’re ok with where we are at? If they’re not ok with where we are at, why do they keep handing out extensions to coaches that don’t deserve them? Something is not adding up with this athletic department. Most importantly, wins are not adding up for the athletic department 

Chaves doesn't care about wins and losses. His decision-making since Kennedy brought him in prove that.

Time for Armacost to prove he cares about athletics as a key part of our overall mission as an institution and replace Chaves with someone who holds both coaches and athletes to high standards.

[iramurphy]

2 minutes ago, GoodGood said:

Right now the public perception of UND athletics is terrible. So if the majority of the athletic department has a different opinion that means they’re ok with where we are at? If they’re not ok with where we are at, why do they keep handing out extensions to coaches that don’t deserve them? Something is not adding up with this athletic department. Most importantly, wins are not adding up for the athletic department 

If you reread my post you will see that I said the majority of fans “may not” agree with our opinions, maybe they do. I don’t know what the public perception of UND athletics is and how that aligns with opinions in the athletic department.  I don’t know why they extended the contracts they extended. 

[iramurphy]

6 minutes ago, HoopsFan03 said:

Public perception from the majority of UND fans is not good.

I’m not sure how to gauge that but fair enough. 

[jdub27]

23 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Chaves doesn't care about wins and losses. His decision-making since Kennedy brought him in prove that.

More strawman arguments? Or is that quote somewhere next to the other alleged similar quotes? 

Regardless of who hired him, the current president has currently endorsed him and gave him an extension after working with him for multiple years. 

[UND1983]

Literally the only reason that football got their change is because the alumni/fans had enough and voiced it through several channels.  It was too much to avoid.

The same thing is happening now.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, iramurphy said:

Nothing wrong with your comments except assumptions. I don’t have a beloved anyone at UND athletics. 
I believe the decision makers take into account opinions of ticket holders, fans and alumni. The majority of them may have a different opinion than you or I. 

Those “assumptions” are based upon more historical foundation and factual circumstance than you either realize or are willing to embrace.